Inside the Deadly Alaskan Mountain Expedition to Denali
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Date: 2022-12-29
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In 1969 just 2 years later five young men perished in a winter attempt on Mt Cleveland (Glacier Park's highest peak. For my own book (It Happened in Glacier National Park, I had the bittersweet and affecting honor of interviewing George Ostrom in his living room. Mr. Ostrom was a beloved radio broadcaster, newspaperman and columnist (Hungry Horse News) that was considered a shoot-from-the-hip park partriarch who did not hold back with criticism of the Park Service when deserved. (ie Night of the Grizzlies. Friend of some of the boys' families, Ostrom went on intital spring searches in defiance of the Park Service trying to stop him, instead fulfilling a promise to a mother to bring her boy home.
Victims of a snowslide identified in December, the roped-together string of bodies was found in the top of a snowmelt tunnel by a ranger (within yards of George's first search) but Ostrom fulfilled the promise. The book stopped being a personal goal and became a responsibility that chills me to this day. You look into the eyes of those involved. The story becames real as a slap. Getting anything wrong or failing to express the important things is then being right with your soul, not your editor.
Sorry; hit nerve. TMI POINT? As per Jeff Babcock's comments below, the intention was good and should never be taken for granted. Real lives are connected and found that out even with topics of the 1800s. Any people there have the best view to accuracy, of course. Kudos to Mr. Babcock's brother. Searching for the lost is not easy in any way. McKay Jenkins wrote a full account of this incident in The White Death vs my restricted- word-count blurb. And as he quoted George Ostrom, Only those young men who dare to challenge shall ever really accomplish.
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In 1969 just 2 years later five young men perished in a winter attempt on Mt Cleveland (Glacier Park's highest peak. For my own book (It Happened in Glacier National Park, I had the bittersweet and affecting honor of interviewing George Ostrom in his living room. Mr. Ostrom was a beloved radio broadcaster, newspaperman and columnist (Hungry Horse News) that was considered a shoot-from-the-hip park partriarch who did not hold back with criticism of the Park Service when deserved. (ie Night of the Grizzlies. Friend of some of the boys' families, Ostrom went on intital spring searches in defiance of the Park Service trying to stop him, instead fulfilling a promise to a mother to bring her boy home.
Victims of a snowslide identified in December, the roped-together string of bodies was found in the top of a snowmelt tunnel by a ranger (within yards of George's first search) but Ostrom fulfilled the promise. The book stopped being a personal goal and became a responsibility that chills me to this day. You look into the eyes of those involved. The story becames real as a slap. Getting anything wrong or failing to express the important things is then being right with your soul, not your editor.
Sorry; hit nerve. TMI POINT? As per Jeff Babcock's comments below, the intention was good and should never be taken for granted. Real lives are connected and found that out even with topics of the 1800s. Any people there have the best view to accuracy, of course. Kudos to Mr. Babcock's brother. Searching for the lost is not easy in any way. McKay Jenkins wrote a full account of this incident in The White Death vs my restricted- word-count blurb. And as he quoted George Ostrom, Only those young men who dare to challenge shall ever really accomplish.
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Chip
The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, We are his offspring.
Therefore since we are Gods offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stonean image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead. (Acts chapter seventeen)
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The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, We are his offspring.
Therefore since we are Gods offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stonean image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead. (Acts chapter seventeen)
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avaorchid
So I think that so long as no one is being forced to climb these mountains and the climbers arent damaging things for the environment in a big way that they should be allowed to climb. Its their lives. They know its deadly and if they want to continue to pursue risky things so be it. That being said there should be absolutely NO expectation of any level or rescue or assistance that could put anyone in danger since there is no need to climb that mountain or most others. If you want to take your life in your hands for something that no one can argue needs to be done for the good of anyone other than the personal goals of that individual great. Have at it. But no one should be encouraged to risk their lives for you. If volunteers want to go try and help cool thats their business but no consequences should ever be given to anyone who says no thanks they made their beds
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So I think that so long as no one is being forced to climb these mountains and the climbers arent damaging things for the environment in a big way that they should be allowed to climb. Its their lives. They know its deadly and if they want to continue to pursue risky things so be it. That being said there should be absolutely NO expectation of any level or rescue or assistance that could put anyone in danger since there is no need to climb that mountain or most others. If you want to take your life in your hands for something that no one can argue needs to be done for the good of anyone other than the personal goals of that individual great. Have at it. But no one should be encouraged to risk their lives for you. If volunteers want to go try and help cool thats their business but no consequences should ever be given to anyone who says no thanks they made their beds
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Norm
Why is it most these videos about climbing always end up asking in authoritarian style if people should even be allowed to climb. for the PUBLIC to use PUBLIC LAND for the purpose if sports
So many do not believe in freedom. they think govt should rule over peoples behaviors and thoughts. but they only do this with the beyond ignorant opinion that their wishes will always line up with govts decisions. and the more control a govt exerts, the less it will work for the people but against them
If you dont think somethings safe. dont do it.
Dont tell me what I can safely do
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Why is it most these videos about climbing always end up asking in authoritarian style if people should even be allowed to climb. for the PUBLIC to use PUBLIC LAND for the purpose if sports
So many do not believe in freedom. they think govt should rule over peoples behaviors and thoughts. but they only do this with the beyond ignorant opinion that their wishes will always line up with govts decisions. and the more control a govt exerts, the less it will work for the people but against them
If you dont think somethings safe. dont do it.
Dont tell me what I can safely do
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pop5678eye
To be clear: Denali is less technical and physically demanding than Everest. (this video is misleading about the 4000ft difference since that is at much lower altitudes) Its primary difficulty comes from its remoteness and hence much less support. An Everest climb is supported by entire companies specialized in taking even complete amateurs up and with tons of sherpas carrying your support supplies and setting up the route for you.
The part of the video that is definitely correct though is that polar weather is even more unforgiving than its equatorial counterpart.
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To be clear: Denali is less technical and physically demanding than Everest. (this video is misleading about the 4000ft difference since that is at much lower altitudes) Its primary difficulty comes from its remoteness and hence much less support. An Everest climb is supported by entire companies specialized in taking even complete amateurs up and with tons of sherpas carrying your support supplies and setting up the route for you.
The part of the video that is definitely correct though is that polar weather is even more unforgiving than its equatorial counterpart.
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David
As many people know, Mount Everest is the biggest mountain in the world.
Nope. Wrong. Mount Everest has the highest summit above mean sea level of any mountain in the world, but it is most certainly NOT the biggest mountain in the world.
Biggest by height from base to peak? Mauna Loa. Biggest by volume? Mauna Loa.
Of mountains on land Denali is actually significantly larger than Everest in terms of base to peak height. Everest has a base to peak height of between 12, 000 and 15, 300 feet. Denali has a base to peak height of between 17, 000 and 19, 000 feet.
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As many people know, Mount Everest is the biggest mountain in the world.
Nope. Wrong. Mount Everest has the highest summit above mean sea level of any mountain in the world, but it is most certainly NOT the biggest mountain in the world.
Biggest by height from base to peak? Mauna Loa. Biggest by volume? Mauna Loa.
Of mountains on land Denali is actually significantly larger than Everest in terms of base to peak height. Everest has a base to peak height of between 12, 000 and 15, 300 feet. Denali has a base to peak height of between 17, 000 and 19, 000 feet.
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mpccengineer
Joe Wilcox was my dad's best friend, and I grew up knowing him. My dad would have been on this expedition, but his doctor did not give him clearance due to missing 2/3s of each of his lungs from a surgery. If he had gone, I might have never been born. My mother had an interesting take on the tragedy. She told me that most serious climbers thrive off of their expansive egos, and that when you put too many of them together there will be problems. I am not a serious climber, but I have climbed enough with serious climbers to completely agree with her assessment.
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Joe Wilcox was my dad's best friend, and I grew up knowing him. My dad would have been on this expedition, but his doctor did not give him clearance due to missing 2/3s of each of his lungs from a surgery. If he had gone, I might have never been born. My mother had an interesting take on the tragedy. She told me that most serious climbers thrive off of their expansive egos, and that when you put too many of them together there will be problems. I am not a serious climber, but I have climbed enough with serious climbers to completely agree with her assessment.
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fred
For climbers how high a mountain is is the difference between where they start climbing and the summit. On Denali you start at 7200' for the normal route. The summit is 20, 300'. On Everest you start at 17, 000 for the normal route and finish at 29000. You can see it's close but Denali wins at 13, 100 vertical feet of climbing. Everest has the considerable danger of very high altitude and the normal route is more technical but Denali has extreme cold and more brutal storms, so it's probably a tossup for danger and difficulty.
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For climbers how high a mountain is is the difference between where they start climbing and the summit. On Denali you start at 7200' for the normal route. The summit is 20, 300'. On Everest you start at 17, 000 for the normal route and finish at 29000. You can see it's close but Denali wins at 13, 100 vertical feet of climbing. Everest has the considerable danger of very high altitude and the normal route is more technical but Denali has extreme cold and more brutal storms, so it's probably a tossup for danger and difficulty.
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Richard
I have no problem with people mountain climbing, or spelunking or cave diving or any other 'extreme' sport. Go for it. But before doing it, you should have to take out an insurance policy. not on your life, but to pay for either your rescue or for going out and dragging your carcass out. Its not like the Coast Guard going out and rescuing people off a sinking boat in a storm. cavers, mountain climbers etc, they intentionally go places that are extremely dangerous, so they should have to pay for the rescue.
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I have no problem with people mountain climbing, or spelunking or cave diving or any other 'extreme' sport. Go for it. But before doing it, you should have to take out an insurance policy. not on your life, but to pay for either your rescue or for going out and dragging your carcass out. Its not like the Coast Guard going out and rescuing people off a sinking boat in a storm. cavers, mountain climbers etc, they intentionally go places that are extremely dangerous, so they should have to pay for the rescue.
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Helios
There must have been a typo or misunderstanding with that quote of 300mph wind gusts during the storm. The highest wind speed ever recorded outside a tornado is 253mph and that was a tropical cyclone. Now I know wind speeds on mountains can get crazy, like 200mph crazy, but 300 is a little unrealistic. Hell, even the polar jet stream can only get up around 275mph and that's at 30-40k feet. The fastest wind speed ever recorded on earth period is 302mph and that was inside a tornado.
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There must have been a typo or misunderstanding with that quote of 300mph wind gusts during the storm. The highest wind speed ever recorded outside a tornado is 253mph and that was a tropical cyclone. Now I know wind speeds on mountains can get crazy, like 200mph crazy, but 300 is a little unrealistic. Hell, even the polar jet stream can only get up around 275mph and that's at 30-40k feet. The fastest wind speed ever recorded on earth period is 302mph and that was inside a tornado.
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Jack
One of my best friends scaled Denali a couple of times. He told me the group he was with had to take a vigorous tests regarding rope tying, carabineers, equipment, medical skills, survival skills, pulling 200 lbs up a slope wall. If you did not pass, you where not allowed in the group. You where tested every year, and only allowed two times to take the test. He said the weather can be great one day and hell for three days. It costs over $12, 000 to climb it now.
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One of my best friends scaled Denali a couple of times. He told me the group he was with had to take a vigorous tests regarding rope tying, carabineers, equipment, medical skills, survival skills, pulling 200 lbs up a slope wall. If you did not pass, you where not allowed in the group. You where tested every year, and only allowed two times to take the test. He said the weather can be great one day and hell for three days. It costs over $12, 000 to climb it now.
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Hubert
When me and my dad were climbing down from Ben nevis, the bit of the path we were on gave way. Me and my Dad slide down the mountain for at least thirty metres, through vegetation and rocks. We fortunately landed near the path again. If wed slid over the gorge that lay not far from where we were wed have died. Even a safe mountain which was in perfect weather conditions of sun and warm temperatures and dry ground can be deadliest if you arent careful enough.
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When me and my dad were climbing down from Ben nevis, the bit of the path we were on gave way. Me and my Dad slide down the mountain for at least thirty metres, through vegetation and rocks. We fortunately landed near the path again. If wed slid over the gorge that lay not far from where we were wed have died. Even a safe mountain which was in perfect weather conditions of sun and warm temperatures and dry ground can be deadliest if you arent careful enough.
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Kylie
I think these people are empty and believe if they conquer the summit they will be fulfilled. What they get is pain beyond insanity slowly dying every second you remain at that altitude, a more than 60 per cent change you will die either before you reach the top or on your way down, if you make it down and home then what? It doesnt change who you are bring you wealth, a better life, a happier life just the same
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I think these people are empty and believe if they conquer the summit they will be fulfilled. What they get is pain beyond insanity slowly dying every second you remain at that altitude, a more than 60 per cent change you will die either before you reach the top or on your way down, if you make it down and home then what? It doesnt change who you are bring you wealth, a better life, a happier life just the same
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DHG
Ive literally been watching mountain expedition disasters all day. I find it insanely fascinating that some can endure such for lack or better term, terrifying elements, scenarios, and thoughts. For those who perish may their soul rest in piece and be happy with what theyve accomplished in life.
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Ive literally been watching mountain expedition disasters all day. I find it insanely fascinating that some can endure such for lack or better term, terrifying elements, scenarios, and thoughts. For those who perish may their soul rest in piece and be happy with what theyve accomplished in life.
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shiny
This account is very unsatisfactory. Pieces of information that would create a coherent narrative are missing or dropped in at random. There are obvious inaccuracies of fact eg 300 mph winds (the highest windspeed ever recorded is 250mph) and photos that are clearly not from Denali.
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This account is very unsatisfactory. Pieces of information that would create a coherent narrative are missing or dropped in at random. There are obvious inaccuracies of fact eg 300 mph winds (the highest windspeed ever recorded is 250mph) and photos that are clearly not from Denali.
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KeepingUpWithKenza
I wanted to make a joke about, are we sure it wasnt the Denali vampire clan (twilight) but stopped myself as we sometimes need to remember these are real human lives lost. True crime too often blurs the line between fictional thriller and real victims.
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I wanted to make a joke about, are we sure it wasnt the Denali vampire clan (twilight) but stopped myself as we sometimes need to remember these are real human lives lost. True crime too often blurs the line between fictional thriller and real victims.
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Nigel
I know exactly how I would fare on a serious mountain expedition. I would probably be the first to get altitude sickness, and have to spend the entire time at base camp.
I would certainly not wish to endanger anyone's life by trying to climb where I should not.
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I know exactly how I would fare on a serious mountain expedition. I would probably be the first to get altitude sickness, and have to spend the entire time at base camp.
I would certainly not wish to endanger anyone's life by trying to climb where I should not.
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nining
Better stay home with remote control and watch tv rather than physical touch. those mountain are need privcy thts why i don't want ever got there. we must respect their privat communiry there.
We are human just being in homy with kidz and family better
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Better stay home with remote control and watch tv rather than physical touch. those mountain are need privcy thts why i don't want ever got there. we must respect their privat communiry there.
We are human just being in homy with kidz and family better
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Tom
Imagine, I was reading a book about Denali and this expedition, on a plane, flying into Alaska. In fact, I took the book TO DENALI and read it there while in BC (14k. And used many pages I already read as TP.
Whole month, but I made it to the top.
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Imagine, I was reading a book about Denali and this expedition, on a plane, flying into Alaska. In fact, I took the book TO DENALI and read it there while in BC (14k. And used many pages I already read as TP.
Whole month, but I made it to the top.
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nining
Do not enter others group without permission.
Need little respect from human. we hv standar health and wealth and standar mind to be with common nature for human. not for wildzone
THXs for this value video for our next lesson
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Do not enter others group without permission.
Need little respect from human. we hv standar health and wealth and standar mind to be with common nature for human. not for wildzone
THXs for this value video for our next lesson
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