How Degeneracy will kill Civilization
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The wildest thing to me is that you can have an entire conversation with these people about climate change and they'll completely get the idea of individual actions having a collective effect, and they'll say it's unsustainable, but as soon as you point out the collapsing birthrates they shortcircuit. They straight up glitch out. If you press the issue, the nihilistic yearning for the void comes spilling out and you get the humans are parasitic viruses schtick.
Shit's whack.
Date: 2024-02-16
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erdyerdnusss9981
As an Antinatalist i must agree with you definitely on the most important aspects of this video's argumentation. Regardless of which false truths science is currently not able to uncover due to its own flaws, if as stated this experiment has been replicated up to 20 times with similar results that is simply astounding. The theory in which gaia or the ecosystem basically has its own dynamics through which it prevents species from becoming a danger to biodiversity is also extremely interesting, here however I double down and call for being the helping hand in this process. And before deciding on the exact messures to be taken its of utmost importance to state that we should be recommended to look and compare to the past, this is essential in even noticing the desaster at hand, but we still cannot exchange our experience of dasein in some bubble in modern industrial society and the biases this creates inevitably for an ancestral life and viewpoint, we can merely adopt what we know about their culture, ways of thought and various aspects but never get close enough. With this in mind we have to evaluate what we think is most realistic to achieve a. Let me make things a bit exciting here, solution to the human question. For example if there is any way to resurrect our basic understanding as being a part of nature and living accordingly. If there is any way to finally amputate the religion of growth and increasing life standard and technology that has grown with industrial society. I admire you for having maintained a sense of basic trust and optimism that there is a loose group or type of individuals within society that would be capable of maintaining birth rates but i personally see this group as a threat if it exists for the desire for more is engrained in humanity, they might learn from what is currently happening and keep the lessons learned for a while but the cycle can only be kept from repeating for a certain limited amount of time. I believe personally that humanity is with its sheer potential on one side and sheer greed on the other is such a strain on the ecosystem that it cannot maintain in its current evolutionary form. Maybe it has something to do with the parts of the brain that are unique to humans. I believe it is highly likely. Since i dont know if it would be possible for us to evolve to become less complex creatures (and maybe this is what is happening right now but that is probably nonsense) i would argue that to prevent the process of extinction from happening naturally (as it is now) in a way that would not only have us but also large groups of species go extinct we should in fact take matters into our own hands and, like you probably already fear, avoid all procreation of homo sapiens on a global scale while deconstructing our critical infrastructure to avoid massive catastrophes from unmaintained industrial facilities collapsing. You will probably disagree and with that we stand on opposite sides while fundementally agreeing on the issue at hand, demonstrating the complexity of not only the situation but also the human mind and its limiting limitless subjectibity once again.
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As an Antinatalist i must agree with you definitely on the most important aspects of this video's argumentation. Regardless of which false truths science is currently not able to uncover due to its own flaws, if as stated this experiment has been replicated up to 20 times with similar results that is simply astounding. The theory in which gaia or the ecosystem basically has its own dynamics through which it prevents species from becoming a danger to biodiversity is also extremely interesting, here however I double down and call for being the helping hand in this process. And before deciding on the exact messures to be taken its of utmost importance to state that we should be recommended to look and compare to the past, this is essential in even noticing the desaster at hand, but we still cannot exchange our experience of dasein in some bubble in modern industrial society and the biases this creates inevitably for an ancestral life and viewpoint, we can merely adopt what we know about their culture, ways of thought and various aspects but never get close enough. With this in mind we have to evaluate what we think is most realistic to achieve a. Let me make things a bit exciting here, solution to the human question. For example if there is any way to resurrect our basic understanding as being a part of nature and living accordingly. If there is any way to finally amputate the religion of growth and increasing life standard and technology that has grown with industrial society. I admire you for having maintained a sense of basic trust and optimism that there is a loose group or type of individuals within society that would be capable of maintaining birth rates but i personally see this group as a threat if it exists for the desire for more is engrained in humanity, they might learn from what is currently happening and keep the lessons learned for a while but the cycle can only be kept from repeating for a certain limited amount of time. I believe personally that humanity is with its sheer potential on one side and sheer greed on the other is such a strain on the ecosystem that it cannot maintain in its current evolutionary form. Maybe it has something to do with the parts of the brain that are unique to humans. I believe it is highly likely. Since i dont know if it would be possible for us to evolve to become less complex creatures (and maybe this is what is happening right now but that is probably nonsense) i would argue that to prevent the process of extinction from happening naturally (as it is now) in a way that would not only have us but also large groups of species go extinct we should in fact take matters into our own hands and, like you probably already fear, avoid all procreation of homo sapiens on a global scale while deconstructing our critical infrastructure to avoid massive catastrophes from unmaintained industrial facilities collapsing. You will probably disagree and with that we stand on opposite sides while fundementally agreeing on the issue at hand, demonstrating the complexity of not only the situation but also the human mind and its limiting limitless subjectibity once again.
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projectarduino2295
I think the military will only be effective when it is at least somewhat conservative. If liberalism has a violent edge because of a hatred of social union, military men have a violent edge because of social cohesion from mutual understanding and brotherhood.
The only way gangs of mice can murder those who try to carry on is if no one is called to stop them. If has to be a gang fueled by martyrdom, because to kill one skilled individual takes a team of lucky unskilled. It has to be a kind of mob, from my point of view, if this were to happen.
I think that there is going to be areas of resistance, three thousand is a small number and a fraction of a percent resisting meaningfully is too small, but a fraction of a percent of billions is a lot of people, and with the internet they can communicate.
One thing mice don’t have is a force multiplier.
I just hope we never have to come to that. I remember JP said something about conversational escalation, talk-shout-shove-fight. This is different from the social shaming we have now that is basically the shout portion with threats of shove, and punishment occurs if you go any higher. I think the fight tempers people. It’s not great, but it is practical. Maybe fight makes a resurgence and that calms people back into reason. At least reason and emotion. Thankfully fighting is not the only thing man has at its disposal.
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I think the military will only be effective when it is at least somewhat conservative. If liberalism has a violent edge because of a hatred of social union, military men have a violent edge because of social cohesion from mutual understanding and brotherhood.
The only way gangs of mice can murder those who try to carry on is if no one is called to stop them. If has to be a gang fueled by martyrdom, because to kill one skilled individual takes a team of lucky unskilled. It has to be a kind of mob, from my point of view, if this were to happen.
I think that there is going to be areas of resistance, three thousand is a small number and a fraction of a percent resisting meaningfully is too small, but a fraction of a percent of billions is a lot of people, and with the internet they can communicate.
One thing mice don’t have is a force multiplier.
I just hope we never have to come to that. I remember JP said something about conversational escalation, talk-shout-shove-fight. This is different from the social shaming we have now that is basically the shout portion with threats of shove, and punishment occurs if you go any higher. I think the fight tempers people. It’s not great, but it is practical. Maybe fight makes a resurgence and that calms people back into reason. At least reason and emotion. Thankfully fighting is not the only thing man has at its disposal.
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brasidas2011
Just an observation. I do like your work, but sometimes when you start connecting the dots and come up with a new realization, it seems you let one of the possible outcomes of that realization get to you. Personally, I have watched the degeneracy coming for decades, seen it in action, watched it erode the moral fabric of my country. I was awakened to this process from Jacques Barzun's excellent From Dawn to Decadence. There will be pockets of rational society out there, if you know where to find them. I know those pockets in the hard times to follow will be the pillars of the new society that will be reborn out of the ashes of the old. It's sad, but it is how human societies operate it seems. I know our grandchildren will look upon us as fools for many of the choices we made during this time. Can't say I won't blame them, but I also think in some ways, they will be the lucky ones if they are part of a growing and dynamic society instead of the nihilistic sclerotic mess ours has turned into.
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Just an observation. I do like your work, but sometimes when you start connecting the dots and come up with a new realization, it seems you let one of the possible outcomes of that realization get to you. Personally, I have watched the degeneracy coming for decades, seen it in action, watched it erode the moral fabric of my country. I was awakened to this process from Jacques Barzun's excellent From Dawn to Decadence. There will be pockets of rational society out there, if you know where to find them. I know those pockets in the hard times to follow will be the pillars of the new society that will be reborn out of the ashes of the old. It's sad, but it is how human societies operate it seems. I know our grandchildren will look upon us as fools for many of the choices we made during this time. Can't say I won't blame them, but I also think in some ways, they will be the lucky ones if they are part of a growing and dynamic society instead of the nihilistic sclerotic mess ours has turned into.
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darksword67
All right gentlemen do what some of the red pill gentlemen have been telling you to do including Kevin Samuels get your passport and get the hell out there's no saving this Society or civilization is too far gone and malignant get out why you still can if you got the resources and rebuild somewhere else then you can come back after it's done burnt itself out and build on the ashes of the old that's your best chance get out of the Cities if you can't leave the country and live on the countryside under your own subsistence and arm up to protect yourself from the hordes ladies get yourself a good man while you still can while they still around while you still can be had and keep yourself a chased woman and an honest woman dedicating herself to a man and you may have to share him with another sister wife I'm just saying because men have figured out the Mating Game and know of your hypergamous nature
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All right gentlemen do what some of the red pill gentlemen have been telling you to do including Kevin Samuels get your passport and get the hell out there's no saving this Society or civilization is too far gone and malignant get out why you still can if you got the resources and rebuild somewhere else then you can come back after it's done burnt itself out and build on the ashes of the old that's your best chance get out of the Cities if you can't leave the country and live on the countryside under your own subsistence and arm up to protect yourself from the hordes ladies get yourself a good man while you still can while they still around while you still can be had and keep yourself a chased woman and an honest woman dedicating herself to a man and you may have to share him with another sister wife I'm just saying because men have figured out the Mating Game and know of your hypergamous nature
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darksword67
That's what the devil really fears The Remnant the people are those that are hanging on that will fight the chaos gods and overthrow them they are the Agents of order they bring order out of Chaos and slowly but surely starting with the normies that are easily influenced that's where the Agents of order will begin because at least the normies will understand order and they don't like chaos they will fight the chaos if given something better to fight for they will rise to the occasion that they always have done against various evils and will overcome them because chaos has no structure chaos has no order chaos has no ability to command and Chaos has no ability to build or rebuild it only has one root and that is destruction and that it's the chaos downfall order will prevail the good will prevail God will prevail over all evil that is a fact that will stand throughout the sands of time
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That's what the devil really fears The Remnant the people are those that are hanging on that will fight the chaos gods and overthrow them they are the Agents of order they bring order out of Chaos and slowly but surely starting with the normies that are easily influenced that's where the Agents of order will begin because at least the normies will understand order and they don't like chaos they will fight the chaos if given something better to fight for they will rise to the occasion that they always have done against various evils and will overcome them because chaos has no structure chaos has no order chaos has no ability to command and Chaos has no ability to build or rebuild it only has one root and that is destruction and that it's the chaos downfall order will prevail the good will prevail God will prevail over all evil that is a fact that will stand throughout the sands of time
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whatifalthist
What I don't like about your rant about the left is, that it is unclear who belongs to this left for you. As a non-american I see there are some clear nutcases on the far left, but that is a small minority. When I look at government, the president, most democratic lawmakers etc. I don't see many radicals as you describe, in fact the many rightwing politicians, Trump first and formost, seem totally insane, where they are even selfcontadictory and can't even vote for a bill they tehmselves demanded.
Many points you bring up, are at least interesting. But in my environment (I'm a few years older than you) I fail to notice the mental health epidemic. Sure, some of my friends and family are a bit neurotic, but most are quite happy and have a family.
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What I don't like about your rant about the left is, that it is unclear who belongs to this left for you. As a non-american I see there are some clear nutcases on the far left, but that is a small minority. When I look at government, the president, most democratic lawmakers etc. I don't see many radicals as you describe, in fact the many rightwing politicians, Trump first and formost, seem totally insane, where they are even selfcontadictory and can't even vote for a bill they tehmselves demanded.
Many points you bring up, are at least interesting. But in my environment (I'm a few years older than you) I fail to notice the mental health epidemic. Sure, some of my friends and family are a bit neurotic, but most are quite happy and have a family.
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ruen1423
Must say in esoteric circles this ideal is also prevalent. Except it takes the concept of divine feminine and divine masculine, which underlies a lot of older religions. Chaos is feminine, and masculinity is order. And even in those circles, they scream that femininity is under attack and openly reject the old ways of doing things before thinkers came through and smacked modernity onto one of the oldest forms of veneration.
Mouse Utopia has even affected how a large number of people I've observed believe the universe is than worship gender neutral deities or tried to force concepts like Thor as a cross dressing Trans person
It's very shocking for someone seeing these new members force so much outside forces into a interior belief.
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Must say in esoteric circles this ideal is also prevalent. Except it takes the concept of divine feminine and divine masculine, which underlies a lot of older religions. Chaos is feminine, and masculinity is order. And even in those circles, they scream that femininity is under attack and openly reject the old ways of doing things before thinkers came through and smacked modernity onto one of the oldest forms of veneration.
Mouse Utopia has even affected how a large number of people I've observed believe the universe is than worship gender neutral deities or tried to force concepts like Thor as a cross dressing Trans person
It's very shocking for someone seeing these new members force so much outside forces into a interior belief.
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newtubevector
Nah. to be fair this etire episode was do incredibly black pilled I can't even take it seriously.
There is some truth to the fact that aimlessness brings stagnation. But we are far from some apocalyptic collapse. Luckily we are indeed better than mice immagine if your entire world was made of 5 rooms and you had to share them with 100 others. I'd go crazy too.
You solutions also leave a shiver down my spine. Tradition. really Religion aka choosing ignorance That is true cringe.
My favorite quote:
Tradition is the corpse of wisdom
It's not from a long book writen by a senile old man. So maybe you wouldn't respect it, but I think it holds water.
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Nah. to be fair this etire episode was do incredibly black pilled I can't even take it seriously.
There is some truth to the fact that aimlessness brings stagnation. But we are far from some apocalyptic collapse. Luckily we are indeed better than mice immagine if your entire world was made of 5 rooms and you had to share them with 100 others. I'd go crazy too.
You solutions also leave a shiver down my spine. Tradition. really Religion aka choosing ignorance That is true cringe.
My favorite quote:
Tradition is the corpse of wisdom
It's not from a long book writen by a senile old man. So maybe you wouldn't respect it, but I think it holds water.
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JohnMcintosh-dm1gn
Another excellent video with a great deal of very valid points. However as a fan of the Vedas myself the KaliYuga is always forefront in my mind, trying to reason and debate during such a phase is like trying to teach the pig to whistle.
Fundamentally the show is out of control and there is nothing we can do about it, you can't wake up those who are unable to wake up. I'm afraid that this is not my circus and these are not my clowns. To those out there who are sentient and like to discuss ideas and grow from such encounters.
I hope to meet you.
Beyond the boundaries of right and wrong there is a field, I will meet you there.
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Another excellent video with a great deal of very valid points. However as a fan of the Vedas myself the KaliYuga is always forefront in my mind, trying to reason and debate during such a phase is like trying to teach the pig to whistle.
Fundamentally the show is out of control and there is nothing we can do about it, you can't wake up those who are unable to wake up. I'm afraid that this is not my circus and these are not my clowns. To those out there who are sentient and like to discuss ideas and grow from such encounters.
I hope to meet you.
Beyond the boundaries of right and wrong there is a field, I will meet you there.
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hansoak3664
You aren't wrong. This is an excellent video.
I agree with Yuri Bezmenov. The only way out is have some common morality. As I am a Christian, I would recommend a Christian framework. The struggle against evil is something that provides a commonality, even when things like a cold war end. A majority of a society believing in a similar morality while struggling individually and culturally to be good in G-d's eyes. I truly believe that is the only way out way out. As I am much older, I doubt I will see the end of this thing. I earnestly pray for you younger people in these times of unprecedented struggle and detonation of Western culture.
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You aren't wrong. This is an excellent video.
I agree with Yuri Bezmenov. The only way out is have some common morality. As I am a Christian, I would recommend a Christian framework. The struggle against evil is something that provides a commonality, even when things like a cold war end. A majority of a society believing in a similar morality while struggling individually and culturally to be good in G-d's eyes. I truly believe that is the only way out way out. As I am much older, I doubt I will see the end of this thing. I earnestly pray for you younger people in these times of unprecedented struggle and detonation of Western culture.
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darksword67
Whether conducted by the Muslims by the conservative Jewish population that's currently conducting the war against Gaza are the Evangelical right that is about to take over the United States that's something that's going to be feared the most is the Inquisition because anytime a hard patriarchy comes in yeah they go a little bit too far and they get very violent very quick and they are zealots and ruthless in their execution of inquisitions around the world think of the witch hunts and that's what we're in for yeah it's going to be hard times for everybody a head for a while until all of this Insanity ends on both sides
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Whether conducted by the Muslims by the conservative Jewish population that's currently conducting the war against Gaza are the Evangelical right that is about to take over the United States that's something that's going to be feared the most is the Inquisition because anytime a hard patriarchy comes in yeah they go a little bit too far and they get very violent very quick and they are zealots and ruthless in their execution of inquisitions around the world think of the witch hunts and that's what we're in for yeah it's going to be hard times for everybody a head for a while until all of this Insanity ends on both sides
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cast1e_survival
I will not be doomer about all of this, but I see this as a constant reminder as to why I should strive to not only better my life, but the lives of those around me too. We will be those heroes in the future that knew of the coming calamity and will be ready to rise up from the ashes of this modern world when the time comes.
It is our duty now to prepare for what is to come and I now understand what my duty is for and I accept it. I will now prepare and live the life that is needed for my duty (which is also authentic to who I am.
Thank you Whatifalthist, you have shown me what I needed to see all along.
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I will not be doomer about all of this, but I see this as a constant reminder as to why I should strive to not only better my life, but the lives of those around me too. We will be those heroes in the future that knew of the coming calamity and will be ready to rise up from the ashes of this modern world when the time comes.
It is our duty now to prepare for what is to come and I now understand what my duty is for and I accept it. I will now prepare and live the life that is needed for my duty (which is also authentic to who I am.
Thank you Whatifalthist, you have shown me what I needed to see all along.
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darksword67
They're not not without government permission don't you get it Demolition Man told you what was going to happen now we meet each other on the screen most of us just interact on the screen have a really interact with one more real life and we have no human interaction because of all the diseases and even then the diseases are mostly in women screwing around with the same 20% 10% 5% now 1% of men so you seen this skewed 6 way from Sunday and you don't think it's an accident it's definitely on purpose by people that is explaining this system to make money this is what happens when you are ruled over by demons
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They're not not without government permission don't you get it Demolition Man told you what was going to happen now we meet each other on the screen most of us just interact on the screen have a really interact with one more real life and we have no human interaction because of all the diseases and even then the diseases are mostly in women screwing around with the same 20% 10% 5% now 1% of men so you seen this skewed 6 way from Sunday and you don't think it's an accident it's definitely on purpose by people that is explaining this system to make money this is what happens when you are ruled over by demons
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darksword67
Even in Revelations only a Remnant survives to rebuild so be a part of that remnant it only takes a Remnant to rebuild civilization the knowledge has not gone anywhere the knowledge will always be here we will rebuild we just have to survive and ride out the storm that's all don't lose Faith don't lose hope and don't lose trust band together with like-minded people isolate yourself from the people that have gone mad be prepared to defend yourself at all times and then when you have enough in numbers overthrow the evil ones that plunge this world in the chaos
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Even in Revelations only a Remnant survives to rebuild so be a part of that remnant it only takes a Remnant to rebuild civilization the knowledge has not gone anywhere the knowledge will always be here we will rebuild we just have to survive and ride out the storm that's all don't lose Faith don't lose hope and don't lose trust band together with like-minded people isolate yourself from the people that have gone mad be prepared to defend yourself at all times and then when you have enough in numbers overthrow the evil ones that plunge this world in the chaos
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John3. 36
We are headed for civil-war, civilizational division, and tribalism probably. Red state birth-rates are higher than blue-state, hence the flooding of illegals by the blues to try to keep their power.
The answer is nation-wide revival. In the UK in the 1750s John Wesley preached the gospel and turned the course of history reversing the madness of that day. Same with the USA with the first great awakening which gave us the basis to even resist the crown. The USA needs a return to Christian values revival style to find their purpose once more.
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We are headed for civil-war, civilizational division, and tribalism probably. Red state birth-rates are higher than blue-state, hence the flooding of illegals by the blues to try to keep their power.
The answer is nation-wide revival. In the UK in the 1750s John Wesley preached the gospel and turned the course of history reversing the madness of that day. Same with the USA with the first great awakening which gave us the basis to even resist the crown. The USA needs a return to Christian values revival style to find their purpose once more.
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whatifalthist
Well, everything in this video is pretty obvious and basic.
But the thing is, there is just no purpose to humanity of life itself. If tomorrow our whole planet is to be destoyed, nothing in the universe will change. It's a non-event. That's just a fact.
Therefore, if you (wrongly) assume there is free will, then those who excercise it in the real world and have physical power to force it upon the rest will run the show.
No matter how this show turns out in the end, because, again, the fact is: there is no purpose to anything.
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Well, everything in this video is pretty obvious and basic.
But the thing is, there is just no purpose to humanity of life itself. If tomorrow our whole planet is to be destoyed, nothing in the universe will change. It's a non-event. That's just a fact.
Therefore, if you (wrongly) assume there is free will, then those who excercise it in the real world and have physical power to force it upon the rest will run the show.
No matter how this show turns out in the end, because, again, the fact is: there is no purpose to anything.
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LBCuracao
Personally I see humanity survive for hundreds of thousands of years, only disappearing if we can’t escape the sun swallowing us whole. The rise and fall of many more societies will come and go, though at no point will humanity actually be at risk of self annihilation.
We aren’t 1 box of rats, we are thousands of rat boxes scattered all over the place.
The complexity of human societies will prevent any one side from going too far off the hinges.
Life can be beautiful even if you know you’re going to die eventually.
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Personally I see humanity survive for hundreds of thousands of years, only disappearing if we can’t escape the sun swallowing us whole. The rise and fall of many more societies will come and go, though at no point will humanity actually be at risk of self annihilation.
We aren’t 1 box of rats, we are thousands of rat boxes scattered all over the place.
The complexity of human societies will prevent any one side from going too far off the hinges.
Life can be beautiful even if you know you’re going to die eventually.
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gongboom
Fascinating and thought provoking topic.
I've watched and enjoyed many of Whatifalthist's videos but this one is special.
Many of the thoughts and concerns I have when it comes to the state of the Western world are expressed in this video.
The experiments with mice and the parallels with human societies are worrisome and disturbing.
It's very brave of the video maker to risk cancelation in our modern woke West.
I may not agree on all that's said but overall I have to admit this is an excellent video.
Hats off!
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Fascinating and thought provoking topic.
I've watched and enjoyed many of Whatifalthist's videos but this one is special.
Many of the thoughts and concerns I have when it comes to the state of the Western world are expressed in this video.
The experiments with mice and the parallels with human societies are worrisome and disturbing.
It's very brave of the video maker to risk cancelation in our modern woke West.
I may not agree on all that's said but overall I have to admit this is an excellent video.
Hats off!
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