Civilizations of the Future
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Undoubtly, this characteristic applies perfectly to the woke-movement. However, the diffrence to previous decadent civilizations is the power structure: In previous civilisations only those who's power over the system was absolutly fortified could afford to be decadent.
That is the big diffrence to the woke movement: Their power is not entrenched. Yes, the woke movement has a high level of control over the Main Stream Media and keeps attacking free speech wherever they can, however their power is not deeply entrenched. They lack centralized leadership and strategic thinking, there is plenty of infighting within the woke movement, therefore they will most likely not make Western civilization fail but will fail in consolidating their power over Western Civilization.
The biggest danger is, what caused the woke movement to exist: Our food production and production of basic need is automized to an extend that in the future there will always be an Urban class that can afford to disconnect from reality and who's live is mostly a popularity contest.
Date: 2022-09-29
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Tyler
Anglo-Latin Squad, let's gooooo!
One thing I found interesting was the comment that there was no possibility for Christian revival in Europe because nihilism became to pervasive. I don't know that this is true. Sure, I can believe that Europe wouldn't be able to go back to Christianity as they once knew it, but Christianity is an incredibly durable worldview in all of its forms, and it historically performs well under immense pressure. I could absolutely see a revival of Christianity, but perhaps in an evolved form. Like a child who abandons the way they were raised by their parents in young adulthood, he often comes back to it with new perspective and simply adapts what his parents taught him to his new understanding of reality when it is realized his parents have a point but whose ideas need to evolve and corrected for past errors in order to fit the needs of the future. Will this happen? I don't know (although I hope so, but I can very much see this happening within western civilization. I don't know if there's any legitimate basis for this theory, but I really don't see Christianity as a general whole going anywhere any time soon, which means that will almost certainly adapt in some ways in order to meet the demands of the future, and I doubt that it will cease to have influence in the areas the Christianity of old once dominated, especially if it manages to adapt for the better. On a related note, I'm kinda surprised that you didn't comment on the future of religion in the Anglo-Latin sphere like you did everywhere else.
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Anglo-Latin Squad, let's gooooo!
One thing I found interesting was the comment that there was no possibility for Christian revival in Europe because nihilism became to pervasive. I don't know that this is true. Sure, I can believe that Europe wouldn't be able to go back to Christianity as they once knew it, but Christianity is an incredibly durable worldview in all of its forms, and it historically performs well under immense pressure. I could absolutely see a revival of Christianity, but perhaps in an evolved form. Like a child who abandons the way they were raised by their parents in young adulthood, he often comes back to it with new perspective and simply adapts what his parents taught him to his new understanding of reality when it is realized his parents have a point but whose ideas need to evolve and corrected for past errors in order to fit the needs of the future. Will this happen? I don't know (although I hope so, but I can very much see this happening within western civilization. I don't know if there's any legitimate basis for this theory, but I really don't see Christianity as a general whole going anywhere any time soon, which means that will almost certainly adapt in some ways in order to meet the demands of the future, and I doubt that it will cease to have influence in the areas the Christianity of old once dominated, especially if it manages to adapt for the better. On a related note, I'm kinda surprised that you didn't comment on the future of religion in the Anglo-Latin sphere like you did everywhere else.
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CallSignClover
Going by this model 3: 21, I could imagine that Western Europe still has some growth ahead of it.
Please let me explain.
I would argue that the two World Wars were the crisis for Europe. Europe has undergone huge growth before (think colonialism, Napoleon, German unification.
The US on the other hand was relatively unaffected by both wars. All the super powers of their time except the US and Japan annihilated each other in WW1. The mobilization in WW2 and the reconstruction of Europe helped the US grow in influence and power. What I'm trying to say is that the US is roughly 50-60 years ahead of Europe on that curve.
Growth for Europe could come in the shape of closer cooperation. Young generations increasingly identify as European. They learn French or German in school, travel across international borders without having to show their passports and never used any other currency than Euros.
Historically, Europe always united when faced with outside threats.
Some examples would be the crusades, the Mongol invasion or the Ottomans.
Nowadays Europe is again facing several outside threats that could act as a catalyst. And since the US is occupied with dealing with China, Europe will have to take care of its own.
Possible economic downturn could even result in population growth since children can act as some kind of retirement plan. That is where the latest population growth in the 3rd world came from.
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Going by this model 3: 21, I could imagine that Western Europe still has some growth ahead of it.
Please let me explain.
I would argue that the two World Wars were the crisis for Europe. Europe has undergone huge growth before (think colonialism, Napoleon, German unification.
The US on the other hand was relatively unaffected by both wars. All the super powers of their time except the US and Japan annihilated each other in WW1. The mobilization in WW2 and the reconstruction of Europe helped the US grow in influence and power. What I'm trying to say is that the US is roughly 50-60 years ahead of Europe on that curve.
Growth for Europe could come in the shape of closer cooperation. Young generations increasingly identify as European. They learn French or German in school, travel across international borders without having to show their passports and never used any other currency than Euros.
Historically, Europe always united when faced with outside threats.
Some examples would be the crusades, the Mongol invasion or the Ottomans.
Nowadays Europe is again facing several outside threats that could act as a catalyst. And since the US is occupied with dealing with China, Europe will have to take care of its own.
Possible economic downturn could even result in population growth since children can act as some kind of retirement plan. That is where the latest population growth in the 3rd world came from.
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Red
Bro, You did a mistake.
Brahman and Brahim are two entirely different things.
Braham is highest universal principle, the ultimate reality in the universe. It refers to the single binding unity behind diversity in all that exists in the universe as per vedas.
Brahmin were not seen higher being like god but rather religious teachers( gurus. They were actually most poor class before zamindari system came in 1750s but were most influential.
They were seen as monks not divine beings.
Also, there is general idea of simplification in west that put caste system into 4 tier but there never existed four caste or even that in level of power in chronological order.
There were like more than hundreds and thousands caste and status was complicated where 1st is higher than 2nd but that 2nd is higher than 3rd but 3rd is lower than 1st but 2nd is richest.
It is such a mess that even Indians do not understand it rather than simple reservation and govt. benefits definition where caste that were presumed by govt. as socially deprived gets benefits.
Also, caste system is prevalent but is slowly fading out. Caste based discrimination has decreased by 80-90% since independence. I know some people will tell that there are still news about caste system but the fact that it has turned from a daily occurrence to rare news is a good progress. I know there are certain area like marriages where more work needs to done.
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Bro, You did a mistake.
Brahman and Brahim are two entirely different things.
Braham is highest universal principle, the ultimate reality in the universe. It refers to the single binding unity behind diversity in all that exists in the universe as per vedas.
Brahmin were not seen higher being like god but rather religious teachers( gurus. They were actually most poor class before zamindari system came in 1750s but were most influential.
They were seen as monks not divine beings.
Also, there is general idea of simplification in west that put caste system into 4 tier but there never existed four caste or even that in level of power in chronological order.
There were like more than hundreds and thousands caste and status was complicated where 1st is higher than 2nd but that 2nd is higher than 3rd but 3rd is lower than 1st but 2nd is richest.
It is such a mess that even Indians do not understand it rather than simple reservation and govt. benefits definition where caste that were presumed by govt. as socially deprived gets benefits.
Also, caste system is prevalent but is slowly fading out. Caste based discrimination has decreased by 80-90% since independence. I know some people will tell that there are still news about caste system but the fact that it has turned from a daily occurrence to rare news is a good progress. I know there are certain area like marriages where more work needs to done.
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Golag
31: 19 you argue that the USA is very capitalist, strong in religion, mostly british in culture and spirit and most likely to colonize space yet at the same time point out how it's becoming less of a western nation due to it's changes in demographics and how it's cultural identities clash with eachother but how does that make any sense? the USA of today is a lot less like the USA that actually was these things and looking at the level of lack of creativity and ideologies popping up in the USA that further harm these cultural traits, I don't think the USA will be able to maintain that same dynamism it had before, neither will the west in general, africa or south america, asia might try and move into space or turn very nationalistic to expand into other regions and it's unsure if the USA will attempt to try and stop them.
Could be wrong but im not really seeing the innovation in the US cultural sphere that much anymore and most of their political ideologies aren't very pioneer based or even scientific, now that can all change of course but so can anything.
I'm just not seeing things plan out like you imagine they will.
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31: 19 you argue that the USA is very capitalist, strong in religion, mostly british in culture and spirit and most likely to colonize space yet at the same time point out how it's becoming less of a western nation due to it's changes in demographics and how it's cultural identities clash with eachother but how does that make any sense? the USA of today is a lot less like the USA that actually was these things and looking at the level of lack of creativity and ideologies popping up in the USA that further harm these cultural traits, I don't think the USA will be able to maintain that same dynamism it had before, neither will the west in general, africa or south america, asia might try and move into space or turn very nationalistic to expand into other regions and it's unsure if the USA will attempt to try and stop them.
Could be wrong but im not really seeing the innovation in the US cultural sphere that much anymore and most of their political ideologies aren't very pioneer based or even scientific, now that can all change of course but so can anything.
I'm just not seeing things plan out like you imagine they will.
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HoboGardenerBen
Parts of Africa have mineral-rich red clay soils. Fertlizer is for shitty gardeners and exploitative farms that destroy the natural systems that create fertility. Permaculture is about designing systems that get better over time, not requiring the same level of input. Earthworks are super powerful. The Satyamev Jayate Water Cup is a competition between villages using hand tools and earthworks to hold water by the Paani foundation in India. That is an excellent example of what happens when hard times motivate people towards action within a good design. I think your opinions would shift a lot if you learned agroforestry\permaculture. Your guesses are based on mechanized agriculture, which directly undermines the actual systems of fertility by making fertilizer from the finite resource of oil. That simply cannot go on forever, so ourmfood systems have no choice but tonbe based on the natural systems, or we'll starve. As the industrial system collapses, the incentives for communities to use the vastly superior designs within permaculture increase.
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Parts of Africa have mineral-rich red clay soils. Fertlizer is for shitty gardeners and exploitative farms that destroy the natural systems that create fertility. Permaculture is about designing systems that get better over time, not requiring the same level of input. Earthworks are super powerful. The Satyamev Jayate Water Cup is a competition between villages using hand tools and earthworks to hold water by the Paani foundation in India. That is an excellent example of what happens when hard times motivate people towards action within a good design. I think your opinions would shift a lot if you learned agroforestry\permaculture. Your guesses are based on mechanized agriculture, which directly undermines the actual systems of fertility by making fertilizer from the finite resource of oil. That simply cannot go on forever, so ourmfood systems have no choice but tonbe based on the natural systems, or we'll starve. As the industrial system collapses, the incentives for communities to use the vastly superior designs within permaculture increase.
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James
I can't help but feel the dominance of India and China may have overshadowed two potentially major factors in east Asia in Korea and Japan. Now to be clear as much as l enjoy the fruits of Japan's current culture for multiple reasons I can't see them raising to greater dominance. However something like a cultural seed bed/hold out not to dissimilar to post Rome Greece could be possible. Considering how adaptable shinto can be, how it has, and to an extent does, serve as a major foundational part of Japanese culture. As well as the spread of said culture(hell the vid even gave it a nod. I could see a sort of neo shintoism filling a role not too dissimilar to orthodox christianity.
Korea might pull rise off, especially if they could pull a Rome. Hell the Korean peninsula even has similar culture splits South Korea(hellenic Italy, North Korea(etruscan, Manchu/greater china(Gaels, and kinda Ironically mongolia(Germans. Plus with a breakdown of the global system they would need to 'reach out' more locally.
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I can't help but feel the dominance of India and China may have overshadowed two potentially major factors in east Asia in Korea and Japan. Now to be clear as much as l enjoy the fruits of Japan's current culture for multiple reasons I can't see them raising to greater dominance. However something like a cultural seed bed/hold out not to dissimilar to post Rome Greece could be possible. Considering how adaptable shinto can be, how it has, and to an extent does, serve as a major foundational part of Japanese culture. As well as the spread of said culture(hell the vid even gave it a nod. I could see a sort of neo shintoism filling a role not too dissimilar to orthodox christianity.
Korea might pull rise off, especially if they could pull a Rome. Hell the Korean peninsula even has similar culture splits South Korea(hellenic Italy, North Korea(etruscan, Manchu/greater china(Gaels, and kinda Ironically mongolia(Germans. Plus with a breakdown of the global system they would need to 'reach out' more locally.
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whatifalthist
To be honest dividing civilisations by religions today is strange to say the least. Traditional religions are becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes by. Even the religious people today are much less religious than people 100 years ago. And the entire civilisation thing was possible only because of geographic barriers - like vast steppes between Europe and Central Asia, Oceans between continents and mountains, like Himalayas between China and India. In the future, in my opinion, there will be no different civilisations, maybe slightly different philosophies between regions, but because globalisation is kind of a big deal, there is no way different ways of life, ideas, perceptions, state building, philosophies and so on could be very different. The best things will be immediately accessible to everyone else, everything will be interconnected and thus there can be no other civilisation except a unified human civilisation
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To be honest dividing civilisations by religions today is strange to say the least. Traditional religions are becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes by. Even the religious people today are much less religious than people 100 years ago. And the entire civilisation thing was possible only because of geographic barriers - like vast steppes between Europe and Central Asia, Oceans between continents and mountains, like Himalayas between China and India. In the future, in my opinion, there will be no different civilisations, maybe slightly different philosophies between regions, but because globalisation is kind of a big deal, there is no way different ways of life, ideas, perceptions, state building, philosophies and so on could be very different. The best things will be immediately accessible to everyone else, everything will be interconnected and thus there can be no other civilisation except a unified human civilisation
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Novo
Quite the interesting video. Overall, I would agree that most of your hypotheses have a reasonable chance of coming true to some degree.
The only major area of disagreement I find is that I think a Greater Neo-Mexi-Anglo-American civilization has a slightly higher chance than a Neo-Indian civilization of engaging in Human genetic engineering in the future due to the following reasons:
1) Having the tech & capital edge to be able to both figure out how to do it and how to implement in on a mass scale.
2) Using it as a byproduct to assist in space colonization.
3) Would be the least ethno-centric of all the other civilizations so would be more willing to modify the genome rather than try to maintain some sort of ethnonationalist pretense of genetic purity.
4) Being the most individualist of these societies, so would be more accepting of it to promote and empathize individual freedom.
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Quite the interesting video. Overall, I would agree that most of your hypotheses have a reasonable chance of coming true to some degree.
The only major area of disagreement I find is that I think a Greater Neo-Mexi-Anglo-American civilization has a slightly higher chance than a Neo-Indian civilization of engaging in Human genetic engineering in the future due to the following reasons:
1) Having the tech & capital edge to be able to both figure out how to do it and how to implement in on a mass scale.
2) Using it as a byproduct to assist in space colonization.
3) Would be the least ethno-centric of all the other civilizations so would be more willing to modify the genome rather than try to maintain some sort of ethnonationalist pretense of genetic purity.
4) Being the most individualist of these societies, so would be more accepting of it to promote and empathize individual freedom.
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JumboCod91
I'm honestly not so sure about the direction Europe is going, i. e. nihilistic self destruction. I'm not saying we aren't doing everything we can to destroy ourselves, or that we can somehow revive our civilization through religion. But. I have noticed a trend in my circles. People, including myself, who used to be very Liberal and even Progressive, are reaching our 30s, and having what I can only describe as a crisis of purpose. The result is a rather dramatic shift towards traditional conservatism, and even religiosity. Nihilism only really exists amongst those people who haven't fully moved into their adult lives, married, or had children. For those of us who have done, or moved towards those things, nihilism simply isn't an option, and we become far more invested in what actually works rather than what makes ideologically possessed people feel good about themselves.
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I'm honestly not so sure about the direction Europe is going, i. e. nihilistic self destruction. I'm not saying we aren't doing everything we can to destroy ourselves, or that we can somehow revive our civilization through religion. But. I have noticed a trend in my circles. People, including myself, who used to be very Liberal and even Progressive, are reaching our 30s, and having what I can only describe as a crisis of purpose. The result is a rather dramatic shift towards traditional conservatism, and even religiosity. Nihilism only really exists amongst those people who haven't fully moved into their adult lives, married, or had children. For those of us who have done, or moved towards those things, nihilism simply isn't an option, and we become far more invested in what actually works rather than what makes ideologically possessed people feel good about themselves.
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Cameroon
I'd love to see Whatifalhist's take on space exploration, like you could make a paralel between reconquista spain and the manifest destiny USA, where both expanded for civilisation/christianity and when they both hit the their goals, they both tried expanding to new worlds. I'd bet that when the anglos will colonize new planets, it would be almost entirely for profit and they'd have a monopoloy on the best places to colonize, just like spain had, which by that logic it would also mean that these colonies, once free, would be horrible to live in.
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I'd love to see Whatifalhist's take on space exploration, like you could make a paralel between reconquista spain and the manifest destiny USA, where both expanded for civilisation/christianity and when they both hit the their goals, they both tried expanding to new worlds. I'd bet that when the anglos will colonize new planets, it would be almost entirely for profit and they'd have a monopoloy on the best places to colonize, just like spain had, which by that logic it would also mean that these colonies, once free, would be horrible to live in.
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Christos-Pavlos
At 3: 13 i don't understand the third point as well as i understand the other five. 1. Economic is basically How a civilization deals with the lack or overabundance of material wealth. 2. Religious, the moral frame the civilization works with. 4. Social, how people treat each other. 5. Military how people protect themselves. 6. Political, how people organise themselves. Those are simplifications but it's a easy way to understand them. I'm unable to find a phrase that will help me understand the third point intellectual. Can someone help?
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At 3: 13 i don't understand the third point as well as i understand the other five. 1. Economic is basically How a civilization deals with the lack or overabundance of material wealth. 2. Religious, the moral frame the civilization works with. 4. Social, how people treat each other. 5. Military how people protect themselves. 6. Political, how people organise themselves. Those are simplifications but it's a easy way to understand them. I'm unable to find a phrase that will help me understand the third point intellectual. Can someone help?
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education
I mean, African slavery existed before Europeans arrived in a very different form, since slavery was viewed as the primary mode of property rather than private property, since many such societies allocated lands according to the decree of a monarch, where states did exist. Additionally, this internal slave trade was largely acquired through warfare, which became more deadly when european demand for slaves increased, creating increasingly violent african states fighting for slaves before colonisation.
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I mean, African slavery existed before Europeans arrived in a very different form, since slavery was viewed as the primary mode of property rather than private property, since many such societies allocated lands according to the decree of a monarch, where states did exist. Additionally, this internal slave trade was largely acquired through warfare, which became more deadly when european demand for slaves increased, creating increasingly violent african states fighting for slaves before colonisation.
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Ushio01
The decreasing population isn't the only or even the biggest problem it's that of the living population a larger percentage will be very old people.
Lets use Poland as an example the poster child for eastern Europe.
Today 37. 8 million with 8% aged 75 or over.
In 2100 using current UN estimates it will be just 23 million but with 22. 5% of the population aged 75 or over.
That's a lot of the population who are going to require more care and resources for little economic benefit.
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The decreasing population isn't the only or even the biggest problem it's that of the living population a larger percentage will be very old people.
Lets use Poland as an example the poster child for eastern Europe.
Today 37. 8 million with 8% aged 75 or over.
In 2100 using current UN estimates it will be just 23 million but with 22. 5% of the population aged 75 or over.
That's a lot of the population who are going to require more care and resources for little economic benefit.
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Sankofa
Anybody here have an opinion on Martin Armstrongs predictions? I feel like his are so different from anyone else be it Zeihan or others. He claims in 2023 there will be a collapse of Europe and American civil unrest for political reasons that may result in a 2024 election not even happening. He says a lot that America will meet the same fate as Europe. I respond to comments if you guys wanna have a convo about this.
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Anybody here have an opinion on Martin Armstrongs predictions? I feel like his are so different from anyone else be it Zeihan or others. He claims in 2023 there will be a collapse of Europe and American civil unrest for political reasons that may result in a 2024 election not even happening. He says a lot that America will meet the same fate as Europe. I respond to comments if you guys wanna have a convo about this.
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