LGR 486 Upgrade! Building a MIDI Mountain
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Date: 2022-04-14
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mjd
LGR i am a newbie to MIDI tech but i am growing more curious, i play a classic version of the 1999 MMO everquest and what i found is the later versions of the game lost the majority of the midi files. Long story short i was introduced to a midi virtual synth program which is able to play some buried midi files inside the game that are no longer used due to windows 10. My question is, is there MIDI hardware that you could point me towards specifically for listening to old games MIDI's without making my own music etc(which is what i see 90% of the time when i try google midi hardware.
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LGR i am a newbie to MIDI tech but i am growing more curious, i play a classic version of the 1999 MMO everquest and what i found is the later versions of the game lost the majority of the midi files. Long story short i was introduced to a midi virtual synth program which is able to play some buried midi files inside the game that are no longer used due to windows 10. My question is, is there MIDI hardware that you could point me towards specifically for listening to old games MIDI's without making my own music etc(which is what i see 90% of the time when i try google midi hardware.
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Bob
That brought back memories. I still have and use my Sound Canvas that I bought almost 30 years ago. Although I still preferred the sound of the Sound Canvas, you've got me wanting to find a Yamaha MU80.
I learned quickly that routing the sound back through the Sound Blaster was not usually the best thing to do. Since I was actually recording original music, I ran everything into a separate mixer. It put all the controls where I needed them and avoided problems with sound degradation inherent in the Sound Blaster.
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That brought back memories. I still have and use my Sound Canvas that I bought almost 30 years ago. Although I still preferred the sound of the Sound Canvas, you've got me wanting to find a Yamaha MU80.
I learned quickly that routing the sound back through the Sound Blaster was not usually the best thing to do. Since I was actually recording original music, I ran everything into a separate mixer. It put all the controls where I needed them and avoided problems with sound degradation inherent in the Sound Blaster.
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MaaZeus
I like the sound of MT32, it hits the sweetspot between FM Synth that just sounds cool and sample based / soundfont Midi that sort of resembles a real instruments but they really don't. I also like the fact some games like X-Com had some scifi sound stuff in FM Synth music that was sorely missing in General Midi but not in MT32. Also IIRC some games have sounds that are specific to MT32 devices only. When I play dos games it is either with FM Synth or MT32 if the game supports it.
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I like the sound of MT32, it hits the sweetspot between FM Synth that just sounds cool and sample based / soundfont Midi that sort of resembles a real instruments but they really don't. I also like the fact some games like X-Com had some scifi sound stuff in FM Synth music that was sorely missing in General Midi but not in MT32. Also IIRC some games have sounds that are specific to MT32 devices only. When I play dos games it is either with FM Synth or MT32 if the game supports it.
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ra
I'm not quite familiar with how midi works, but it seems to me that there are two paths for the audio, one through the midi cable, and the other through the line in and line out of the sound card. Can you explain how the signal path works? Where does the sound come from and where does it go? What exactly are the switch boxes switching and how does that affect what you hear? When does the equalizer affect the signal and how does it eventually get to the speakers?
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I'm not quite familiar with how midi works, but it seems to me that there are two paths for the audio, one through the midi cable, and the other through the line in and line out of the sound card. Can you explain how the signal path works? Where does the sound come from and where does it go? What exactly are the switch boxes switching and how does that affect what you hear? When does the equalizer affect the signal and how does it eventually get to the speakers?
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Kingsqueak
The overwhelming satisfaction of reaching a goal that yields almost nothing anyone in the world would care about. This is AMAZING lol. When this was all timely, I had nobody around me who understood anything at all about MIDI so though I suspected this is what was going on, I was blind to it. Seeing this, I'm kind of glad I didn't understand what it all meant back then. What an incredible rabbit hole.
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The overwhelming satisfaction of reaching a goal that yields almost nothing anyone in the world would care about. This is AMAZING lol. When this was all timely, I had nobody around me who understood anything at all about MIDI so though I suspected this is what was going on, I was blind to it. Seeing this, I'm kind of glad I didn't understand what it all meant back then. What an incredible rabbit hole.
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jaxmk1
Deciding witch of them is the best it is simply impossible, when the music starts i believe the mt-32 has the advantage as more instruments kick in the more modern boxes take the lead because of the lack of instruments for the mt-32, eather way this is super midi mountain and you did it as you should for all the nostalgic reasons and cool factor. As usual thanks very much for caring for great retro tech.
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Deciding witch of them is the best it is simply impossible, when the music starts i believe the mt-32 has the advantage as more instruments kick in the more modern boxes take the lead because of the lack of instruments for the mt-32, eather way this is super midi mountain and you did it as you should for all the nostalgic reasons and cool factor. As usual thanks very much for caring for great retro tech.
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Temple
Sound Canvas was a huge success that time. I really appreciate that sound, with some patience you could patch a very good lead sound such as Kevin Moore uses on Images and words. There's some hidden features like portamentos that unfortunatelly are not full supported by all MIDI devices. Amazing video!
By the way, I had one of this Roland modules, the piano was awful.
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Sound Canvas was a huge success that time. I really appreciate that sound, with some patience you could patch a very good lead sound such as Kevin Moore uses on Images and words. There's some hidden features like portamentos that unfortunatelly are not full supported by all MIDI devices. Amazing video!
By the way, I had one of this Roland modules, the piano was awful.
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Helman
So funny watching this in in my mid 40's after half a lifetime in audio, remembering my preteen self struggling to wrap his head around the sound settings in all those DOS games. WTH is a Sound Canvas? What's a MIDI? Ad Lib? I was fascinated but nobody in my childhood circle could explain any of it to my satisfaction so I learned on my own. Anyone remember libraries?
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So funny watching this in in my mid 40's after half a lifetime in audio, remembering my preteen self struggling to wrap his head around the sound settings in all those DOS games. WTH is a Sound Canvas? What's a MIDI? Ad Lib? I was fascinated but nobody in my childhood circle could explain any of it to my satisfaction so I learned on my own. Anyone remember libraries?
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Rob
Here in 2020. If you get a MIDI splitter box, such as a 1-In 4-Out in your case, this would be interesting to hear as you now have all 4 devices playing the same music in unison. It would indeed cause a thicker richer sound. The prices for 4-Out such as on eBay right now are around $50. But you can get a 10-Out DIY kit (solder yourself) at eBay for around $30.
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Here in 2020. If you get a MIDI splitter box, such as a 1-In 4-Out in your case, this would be interesting to hear as you now have all 4 devices playing the same music in unison. It would indeed cause a thicker richer sound. The prices for 4-Out such as on eBay right now are around $50. But you can get a 10-Out DIY kit (solder yourself) at eBay for around $30.
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Ronnie
I had that exact EQ.
My set up was.
Pioneer 1280-SX
The same Technics EQ
Pushing the black Cerwin Vega RE-25 Three Way Speakers.
It was all a perfect match in my book!
If I remember right, each speaker weighed 98 pounds!
IT ROCKED!
Man I miss that stereo!
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I had that exact EQ.
My set up was.
Pioneer 1280-SX
The same Technics EQ
Pushing the black Cerwin Vega RE-25 Three Way Speakers.
It was all a perfect match in my book!
If I remember right, each speaker weighed 98 pounds!
IT ROCKED!
Man I miss that stereo!
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