Top 10 Times Fantastic Beasts Ignored Harry Potter Lore
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Date: 2023-11-20
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Ovine
Another video that wasn't properly researched or just jumps to conclusions. Number 9: Accio WAS USED on animals in the books. Accio working on animals has always been canon. Number 8: Just because Dumbledore was teaching tranfiguration to Voldy doesn't mean he wasn't teaching a different subject in the past. Snape switched from being a potions teacher to a defense against the darks arts teacher, so why can't we assume Dumbles did the same? Number 7: The tree doesn't move. It's obviously a different tree. It doesn't have to be a strange coincidence either. They probably enchanted the womping willow to match the previous regular willow. Number 6: Your deepest desire changes over time. What I desperately wanted at 21 is different from what I desperately want at 30. Number 5: You cannot apparate in and out of Hogwarts when Dumbledore is headmaster. Other headmasters probably had other enchantments and other rules. We know the headmaster can change the rules since Umbridge forbade non humans from being teachers, something that wasn't an issue under Dumbles. Number 2: Why would Aberforth's kid be mentioned in the books? Aberforth and Albus were estranged and we only met Aberforth right at the end of the series when a bloody war was going on. We only know about their sister because of the painting. Family history was never discussed beyond that. So out of a list of 10, only 4 were actual issues.
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Another video that wasn't properly researched or just jumps to conclusions. Number 9: Accio WAS USED on animals in the books. Accio working on animals has always been canon. Number 8: Just because Dumbledore was teaching tranfiguration to Voldy doesn't mean he wasn't teaching a different subject in the past. Snape switched from being a potions teacher to a defense against the darks arts teacher, so why can't we assume Dumbles did the same? Number 7: The tree doesn't move. It's obviously a different tree. It doesn't have to be a strange coincidence either. They probably enchanted the womping willow to match the previous regular willow. Number 6: Your deepest desire changes over time. What I desperately wanted at 21 is different from what I desperately want at 30. Number 5: You cannot apparate in and out of Hogwarts when Dumbledore is headmaster. Other headmasters probably had other enchantments and other rules. We know the headmaster can change the rules since Umbridge forbade non humans from being teachers, something that wasn't an issue under Dumbles. Number 2: Why would Aberforth's kid be mentioned in the books? Aberforth and Albus were estranged and we only met Aberforth right at the end of the series when a bloody war was going on. We only know about their sister because of the painting. Family history was never discussed beyond that. So out of a list of 10, only 4 were actual issues.
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Jennifer
Yes to all of theseexcept one. This just happens to be one of the reasons that I dont find myself in to HP anymore. JK ignores her own established canon, then turns out to be a TERFI could go on.
Now as for the one thing that you have incorrectthis whole franchise is the lead up to the famed duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. So of course yes, what we see in the mirror can change (this happens in real life all the time. Our wants change, but even if that werent the case, all of the movies up until the 5th and (hopefully) final one are pre duel Albus and Gellert. They had a bit of a faking out before that of course, but he still wouldnt be seeing his family like he had for years in the mirror before that duel, since it was the duel that caused it.
The rest of these can be arguedI suppose. But like you said, its just bad writing. That CLEARLY is the McGonagall we know and love in the second film, and that was the first one of these contradictions that I noticed and I nearly threw my phone at the screen in the theater. She was literally a STUDENT of Albus and they went and done made her his coworker?
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Yes to all of theseexcept one. This just happens to be one of the reasons that I dont find myself in to HP anymore. JK ignores her own established canon, then turns out to be a TERFI could go on.
Now as for the one thing that you have incorrectthis whole franchise is the lead up to the famed duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald. So of course yes, what we see in the mirror can change (this happens in real life all the time. Our wants change, but even if that werent the case, all of the movies up until the 5th and (hopefully) final one are pre duel Albus and Gellert. They had a bit of a faking out before that of course, but he still wouldnt be seeing his family like he had for years in the mirror before that duel, since it was the duel that caused it.
The rest of these can be arguedI suppose. But like you said, its just bad writing. That CLEARLY is the McGonagall we know and love in the second film, and that was the first one of these contradictions that I noticed and I nearly threw my phone at the screen in the theater. She was literally a STUDENT of Albus and they went and done made her his coworker?
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Stef
what about the killing curse Grindelwald is trying to use on Credence at the end of the movie? According to HP books, killing curse can be stopped only if a person sacrifices themselves for the one about to be killed. It's the base story of the entire HP book series, how Lily sacrificed herself for Harry. But here, just by Albus and Abeforth protective spell stops the curse? And how conveniently it also destroys the blood pact (which again, should not be possible to do?
Also, this parallel universe or pocket univers that Albus created whenever he has to duel with someone and not hurt people? Where was this in the HP books? When he was trying to protect Harry from Voldemort during the ministry duel?
Plus, how can Jacob see Hogwarts? He is muggle, so he should see only ruins of an old castle.
Honestly, the whole series of Fantastic beasts is loosely, very loosely connected to HP, but respects no law established in the original books.
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what about the killing curse Grindelwald is trying to use on Credence at the end of the movie? According to HP books, killing curse can be stopped only if a person sacrifices themselves for the one about to be killed. It's the base story of the entire HP book series, how Lily sacrificed herself for Harry. But here, just by Albus and Abeforth protective spell stops the curse? And how conveniently it also destroys the blood pact (which again, should not be possible to do?
Also, this parallel universe or pocket univers that Albus created whenever he has to duel with someone and not hurt people? Where was this in the HP books? When he was trying to protect Harry from Voldemort during the ministry duel?
Plus, how can Jacob see Hogwarts? He is muggle, so he should see only ruins of an old castle.
Honestly, the whole series of Fantastic beasts is loosely, very loosely connected to HP, but respects no law established in the original books.
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Brandon
Regarding the tree, you used a clip that explains what the tree is and its existence. it's also shown the tree wasn't anywhere near where the womping willow will be planted. The thing with the mirror, yes desires can change but just because another source says that Dumblerdore's family is his greatest desire doesn't make it so. As for apparition, the books establish it's impossible even for Dumbledore. The movie's changed that for more flashy scenes and the fantastic beast movies continued that lie. There's more I could say but please just be more accurate next time, all you did was make half baked assumptions and display your own ignorance on the subject.
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Regarding the tree, you used a clip that explains what the tree is and its existence. it's also shown the tree wasn't anywhere near where the womping willow will be planted. The thing with the mirror, yes desires can change but just because another source says that Dumblerdore's family is his greatest desire doesn't make it so. As for apparition, the books establish it's impossible even for Dumbledore. The movie's changed that for more flashy scenes and the fantastic beast movies continued that lie. There's more I could say but please just be more accurate next time, all you did was make half baked assumptions and display your own ignorance on the subject.
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Kevin
Fantastic Beasts did NOT ignore Harry Potter lore. I did NOT see any plot holes in the films that contradicted anything in the novels (or the Potter films. For starters, McGonagalls age was never stated in the novels, just how long she has been teaching at Hogwarts (but those years may have not been consecutive. Additionally, Newt summoning the Niffler with Accio does not contradict anything stated in the lore either since Nifflers like to stuff their pouches with gold, silver, or anything shiny. Newt was simply summoning the coins inside of the Niffler. Also, J. K. Rowling wrote Fantastic Beasts, so everything in the prequels is canon to Harry Potter.
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Fantastic Beasts did NOT ignore Harry Potter lore. I did NOT see any plot holes in the films that contradicted anything in the novels (or the Potter films. For starters, McGonagalls age was never stated in the novels, just how long she has been teaching at Hogwarts (but those years may have not been consecutive. Additionally, Newt summoning the Niffler with Accio does not contradict anything stated in the lore either since Nifflers like to stuff their pouches with gold, silver, or anything shiny. Newt was simply summoning the coins inside of the Niffler. Also, J. K. Rowling wrote Fantastic Beasts, so everything in the prequels is canon to Harry Potter.
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UmbraKrameri
Not even an honorable mention for the fact that they invented a Supreme Prime Minister for the wizarding world, while all prior sources clearly depict the geographically individual wizarding communities to have their own legislation? The main conflict of the 3rd movie doesn't make any sense from a worldbuilding standpoint. (Sure it could have changed since then, but given that the wizarding communities are relatively small in number and isolated due to the Statue of Secrecy and communication technologies not advancing the same rate as muggle ones do, it's geopopilitically rather unlikely)
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Not even an honorable mention for the fact that they invented a Supreme Prime Minister for the wizarding world, while all prior sources clearly depict the geographically individual wizarding communities to have their own legislation? The main conflict of the 3rd movie doesn't make any sense from a worldbuilding standpoint. (Sure it could have changed since then, but given that the wizarding communities are relatively small in number and isolated due to the Statue of Secrecy and communication technologies not advancing the same rate as muggle ones do, it's geopopilitically rather unlikely)
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Be
The whomping willow was in HP: DH2 -- Lily and Servus were lying under it. The tree could be replanted and made to womp when disturbed.
Everyone wore muggle clothing. The robes were part of the uniform like a school blazer. There were scenes in all the movies with students were in uniform, minus the robes.
A teacher can swtich subjects.
Minerva could be family name.
The line of demarcation could be at the bridge.
Maybe in FB IV Corvis was saved. A woman is shown trying to reach him. She does and is able to apparate. We shall see in IV.
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The whomping willow was in HP: DH2 -- Lily and Servus were lying under it. The tree could be replanted and made to womp when disturbed.
Everyone wore muggle clothing. The robes were part of the uniform like a school blazer. There were scenes in all the movies with students were in uniform, minus the robes.
A teacher can swtich subjects.
Minerva could be family name.
The line of demarcation could be at the bridge.
Maybe in FB IV Corvis was saved. A woman is shown trying to reach him. She does and is able to apparate. We shall see in IV.
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mayarosa
I just start to question my self, whether you guys read or are addicted to the book before making this video, because if you did, or you were, your explanation would be more accurate. And for the 'apparate', the ministry or other qualified wizard can do it as close as before the main gate of Hogwarts, NOT ENTERING. While Dumbledore could do it even from the really inside of his office and appear again in London or other place. And again, this ablelity is because how great wizard Dumbledore was, NOT because he WAS THE HEADMASTER.
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I just start to question my self, whether you guys read or are addicted to the book before making this video, because if you did, or you were, your explanation would be more accurate. And for the 'apparate', the ministry or other qualified wizard can do it as close as before the main gate of Hogwarts, NOT ENTERING. While Dumbledore could do it even from the really inside of his office and appear again in London or other place. And again, this ablelity is because how great wizard Dumbledore was, NOT because he WAS THE HEADMASTER.
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Revan
I don't know about anyone else but the Harry Potter cinematic universe may continue producing movies until the timeline goes full circle since event wise the next set of events to cover would be the marauder's era which does include the first blood war. it would be a great way to end the franchise since that set of events didn't get much fleshing out in the original movie saga aside from revealing that James was a no good bully in his youth which made Severus a jaded anti-hero who held a grudge for too long.
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I don't know about anyone else but the Harry Potter cinematic universe may continue producing movies until the timeline goes full circle since event wise the next set of events to cover would be the marauder's era which does include the first blood war. it would be a great way to end the franchise since that set of events didn't get much fleshing out in the original movie saga aside from revealing that James was a no good bully in his youth which made Severus a jaded anti-hero who held a grudge for too long.
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Jess
Number 10, 9: have no solid factual base but rather interpretations in the writing.
Number 8, 5: who says once or twice (or in a specific time period) they didnt happen/were permitted in so many magic history?
Number 7: interpretation from the picture misleading
Number 6, 3, 2: shouldnt even be there / you even clarify as so haha
Number 1: wand chooses the wizard! Know your lore. Many cases I can bring.
I give you number 4, but none has said it is Minerva in fact (as you clarify)
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Number 10, 9: have no solid factual base but rather interpretations in the writing.
Number 8, 5: who says once or twice (or in a specific time period) they didnt happen/were permitted in so many magic history?
Number 7: interpretation from the picture misleading
Number 6, 3, 2: shouldnt even be there / you even clarify as so haha
Number 1: wand chooses the wizard! Know your lore. Many cases I can bring.
I give you number 4, but none has said it is Minerva in fact (as you clarify)
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Shane
I know this has nothing to do with the movies and has to do with the soundtrack, but anybody else feel weird when they start playing hedwig's theme when the owl isn't even alive or associated with anyone in these movies? I know it's a technicality and I know that when you're talking about Harry Potter, you think of that theme, but I thought since these stories are decades before Harry Potter, they would have brought in other songs that represent Hogwarts the school, not Harry Potter, the movies.
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I know this has nothing to do with the movies and has to do with the soundtrack, but anybody else feel weird when they start playing hedwig's theme when the owl isn't even alive or associated with anyone in these movies? I know it's a technicality and I know that when you're talking about Harry Potter, you think of that theme, but I thought since these stories are decades before Harry Potter, they would have brought in other songs that represent Hogwarts the school, not Harry Potter, the movies.
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Agshin
As a fellow potterhead I dont think all excuse-like explanations to almost all loopholes are making sense.
I assume many of us read the books multiple times and are aware of the details and references to history of magic and some exceptions to established rules.
Sorry but all these are clear sign of bad writing. I think writers and JKR in particular neglected established storyline and timelines just to make money off Fantastic Beasts movies.
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As a fellow potterhead I dont think all excuse-like explanations to almost all loopholes are making sense.
I assume many of us read the books multiple times and are aware of the details and references to history of magic and some exceptions to established rules.
Sorry but all these are clear sign of bad writing. I think writers and JKR in particular neglected established storyline and timelines just to make money off Fantastic Beasts movies.
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Alice
Most of the points are arguable as the story takes place 70 years earlier a lot of laws and rules may have changed
Edit: It's JK Rowling herself who has been writing all 3 movies and the following 2 so saying it's bad writing is an insult to her beautiful work on the wizarding world not only the books and scenarios but the website, lore, and everything she has built around it
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Most of the points are arguable as the story takes place 70 years earlier a lot of laws and rules may have changed
Edit: It's JK Rowling herself who has been writing all 3 movies and the following 2 so saying it's bad writing is an insult to her beautiful work on the wizarding world not only the books and scenarios but the website, lore, and everything she has built around it
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ZippedUpKitz
The thing with Dumbledore teaching transfiguration when riddle was there, is perhaps he taught that because was no longer allowed to teach DATDA.
I'M pretty sure that there is more than one whompIng Willow around Hogwarts.
Apparating within Hogwarts does it say specifically in the books that it is Hogwarts Grounds or Hogwarts Castle itself?
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The thing with Dumbledore teaching transfiguration when riddle was there, is perhaps he taught that because was no longer allowed to teach DATDA.
I'M pretty sure that there is more than one whompIng Willow around Hogwarts.
Apparating within Hogwarts does it say specifically in the books that it is Hogwarts Grounds or Hogwarts Castle itself?
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Aadreta
As far as I can remember Dumbledore also can't apparate from Hogwarts grounds. In the 6th book, he had to go hogsmead first to apparate. However 6th film changed this rule.
In the secrets of Dumbledore film, I also didn't understand how Jacob could see and be in Hogwarts, when Hogwarts have its protection enchantments against muggles.
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As far as I can remember Dumbledore also can't apparate from Hogwarts grounds. In the 6th book, he had to go hogsmead first to apparate. However 6th film changed this rule.
In the secrets of Dumbledore film, I also didn't understand how Jacob could see and be in Hogwarts, when Hogwarts have its protection enchantments against muggles.
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prince
The tree in Fantastic beast flashback is NOT a whomping willow. And Newt mentioned it that the tree is one of the materials in making Wands.
Whomping willow tree is moving, rotating, have access to the ownership and especially very aggressive to strangers while being kind to the people who are authorized to keep close to it.
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The tree in Fantastic beast flashback is NOT a whomping willow. And Newt mentioned it that the tree is one of the materials in making Wands.
Whomping willow tree is moving, rotating, have access to the ownership and especially very aggressive to strangers while being kind to the people who are authorized to keep close to it.
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Aaron
#5. Maybe the spell/enchantment stopping apparating hasnt been cast yet and the events of the movie(s) are the reason why it was cast
#1. Its possible that because accio is a summoning charm (as you stated) instead of a disarming charm (like expelliarmus) that it doesnt count as disarming
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#5. Maybe the spell/enchantment stopping apparating hasnt been cast yet and the events of the movie(s) are the reason why it was cast
#1. Its possible that because accio is a summoning charm (as you stated) instead of a disarming charm (like expelliarmus) that it doesnt count as disarming
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Haziq
7: 30 while in the movie, Dumbledore Apparated with Harry to the island where Voldemort hid his locket (which is a fake, switched by R. A. B, in the book, Dumbledore walked with Harry towards Hogsmeade and to the Hog's Head before Apparating to the island.
Just something to take note
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7: 30 while in the movie, Dumbledore Apparated with Harry to the island where Voldemort hid his locket (which is a fake, switched by R. A. B, in the book, Dumbledore walked with Harry towards Hogsmeade and to the Hog's Head before Apparating to the island.
Just something to take note
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Cyclops
Once you admit you can summon a toad, you're throwing away your argument that you can't summon a Niffler. You might as well argue that wizards can't have British accents in the prequels because only some of them have them in Harry's time. Because that makes the same amount of sense.
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Once you admit you can summon a toad, you're throwing away your argument that you can't summon a Niffler. You might as well argue that wizards can't have British accents in the prequels because only some of them have them in Harry's time. Because that makes the same amount of sense.
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Stephen
It's not just dumbledores change of clothing that goes against the Harry Potter series. It's all wizards. In the books it's mentioned a few times how wizards do not know how to dress like muggles properly yet every wizard in fantastic beasts are dressed perfectly in muggle clothing.
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It's not just dumbledores change of clothing that goes against the Harry Potter series. It's all wizards. In the books it's mentioned a few times how wizards do not know how to dress like muggles properly yet every wizard in fantastic beasts are dressed perfectly in muggle clothing.
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Dreams
I personally think the tree is a different one. it does not look the same and I reckon with Dumbledore also, he could have changed specialisations. Sometimes teachers do that if they go back to school in the human world. maybe its hell easy with the Wizarding World!
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I personally think the tree is a different one. it does not look the same and I reckon with Dumbledore also, he could have changed specialisations. Sometimes teachers do that if they go back to school in the human world. maybe its hell easy with the Wizarding World!
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edsterrock
Honestly, the first Fantastic Beasts movie should have been just a one of film which would have lead to a mini series about the Dumbledore and Grindelwald conflict as a mini series on HBO Max or something with maybe Newt Scamander playing a supporting role.
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Honestly, the first Fantastic Beasts movie should have been just a one of film which would have lead to a mini series about the Dumbledore and Grindelwald conflict as a mini series on HBO Max or something with maybe Newt Scamander playing a supporting role.
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Bowser
Isnt number 8 explained within that very scene? He's not allowed to teach DADA after that, so he just moves on to transfiguration. No?
That tree is absolutely not the whomping willow, or do you see it slashing its branches at everything in the vicinity?
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Isnt number 8 explained within that very scene? He's not allowed to teach DADA after that, so he just moves on to transfiguration. No?
That tree is absolutely not the whomping willow, or do you see it slashing its branches at everything in the vicinity?
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Leon
Not going into all of these but as for the apparition they do state in Order of the Phoenix that Dumbledore has allowed apparition on the grounds to allow people to train for their license so clearly the Headmaster has control of this.
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Not going into all of these but as for the apparition they do state in Order of the Phoenix that Dumbledore has allowed apparition on the grounds to allow people to train for their license so clearly the Headmaster has control of this.
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bluejew2
Thats not the whomping willow, if it were, it would attack Newt. It's clearly a different tree. As far as the Apparation on the grounds, they are A-ministry officials and B-Not on the grounds when they arrive, they're on a bridge.
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Thats not the whomping willow, if it were, it would attack Newt. It's clearly a different tree. As far as the Apparation on the grounds, they are A-ministry officials and B-Not on the grounds when they arrive, they're on a bridge.
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msmojo
The Harry Potter movies messed up some book lore too. You CANNOT apparate on Hogwarts grounds, no exceptions. Not even Dumbledore is supposed to be able to do that. That is something Half Blood Prince movie got wrong.
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The Harry Potter movies messed up some book lore too. You CANNOT apparate on Hogwarts grounds, no exceptions. Not even Dumbledore is supposed to be able to do that. That is something Half Blood Prince movie got wrong.
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Ben
The whomping willow seen in Fantastic Beasts is likely an ancestor of the one seen in Harry Potter that was likely removed to make the secret passageway for Remus and had a sapling replanted in its place to cover it up
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The whomping willow seen in Fantastic Beasts is likely an ancestor of the one seen in Harry Potter that was likely removed to make the secret passageway for Remus and had a sapling replanted in its place to cover it up
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Cyclops
i hate to defend anything to do with the Potterverse, but other teachers have a history of teaching Defense in addition to their specialty. Kind of like how Muggles have to teach Gym AND Health or Art or something.
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i hate to defend anything to do with the Potterverse, but other teachers have a history of teaching Defense in addition to their specialty. Kind of like how Muggles have to teach Gym AND Health or Art or something.
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Marina
I disagree about Accio. I think it surely can be used on animals too. I mean, I didn't see anything in the book that contradicts it. As for mirror, the desire can change and Grindelwald was much more than a friend.
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I disagree about Accio. I think it surely can be used on animals too. I mean, I didn't see anything in the book that contradicts it. As for mirror, the desire can change and Grindelwald was much more than a friend.
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Mx.
Maybe because two people defeated him the Elder wand stayed his because it couldn't belong to 2 people at once and couldn't decide/figure out who would own it. or it went ownerless and he reclaimed it
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Maybe because two people defeated him the Elder wand stayed his because it couldn't belong to 2 people at once and couldn't decide/figure out who would own it. or it went ownerless and he reclaimed it
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