Star Wars: Why doesn't anyone remember the Jedi?
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Date: 2023-12-10
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-fabianstr1149
It's simple, everyone is willing to forget about their -incredible powers- because the Jedi had no incredible powers. I once saw a Corellian street magician levitate a landspeeder over a crowd of thousands, only to reveal afterwards that the fuel cell had been removed and replaced with live mynocks. My parents spoke fondly of their honeymoon on Alderaan (such a tragedy btw, can't believe accidents like that can happen in modern times. My condolences to anybody here who lost someone) when pops got hypotized into thinking he was being chased by a bantha. And half the back alleys on Coruscant have a shady guy who can pull a sabbac deck out of thin air.
Sleight of hand, hidden repulsorlifts or holonodes, and crude hypnotism (works on most sentient races) are not magic. The fact that the Jedi have mastered these cheap tricks as well as swordsmanship, piloting, tactics, and so on is a testament to the dedication they had to their craft and the commitment they had to the Big Lie: that they were serving some greater power, the Force. Really?
-But they used the force against the droids in the Clone Wars! - Oh, did they? Did you ever see them? I sure didn't. And as for the reports about it, don't your remember that the Jedi had a secret pact with Dooku (a former Jedi) the entire time? Of course he was content to pretend they were using the force against him, their entire strategy was to prolong the war as long as possible until they could launch their coup! And as soon as they have to go up against a real opponent, the 501st, all of their cheap parlor tricks. did nothing. Wiped out entirely. You'd think a bunch of militant wizards, who held a million droidekas at bay for years, would be able to do equally well against a few squads of clone troopers, right? But nope, as soon as they stopped fighting the enemy they were actively colluding with and fought someone who actually wanted them dead. bam. No more Jedi.
I don't know who came up with the Force originally, but I think it's clear that the Jedi and the Senate kept up the charade because they realized some time ago that the Republic couldn't be held together on a wish and a prayer any more, and worlds might be inclined not to secede if they thought there were a bunch of laser wizards ready to be dispatched against them at moment's notice. It might have worked for a few hundred years, but what the Senate didn't count on was the Jedi working behind their back to use their legendary status (via guys like Dooku) into fermenting the very rebellion it was supposed to discourage. By the time they realized what the Jedi were up to, it was too late, and once the dust cleared the Senate were hardly going to admit they had been complicit in fooling us all for the last thousand years. Plus, now the Empire can use the same lie to scare misbehaving kids, only this time it's with Vader instead of Yoda. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
source: finishing up my BA in Pre-Imperial Galactic History at U-CORR and doing my senior honors thesis on secondary causes of the CIS rebellion.
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It's simple, everyone is willing to forget about their -incredible powers- because the Jedi had no incredible powers. I once saw a Corellian street magician levitate a landspeeder over a crowd of thousands, only to reveal afterwards that the fuel cell had been removed and replaced with live mynocks. My parents spoke fondly of their honeymoon on Alderaan (such a tragedy btw, can't believe accidents like that can happen in modern times. My condolences to anybody here who lost someone) when pops got hypotized into thinking he was being chased by a bantha. And half the back alleys on Coruscant have a shady guy who can pull a sabbac deck out of thin air.
Sleight of hand, hidden repulsorlifts or holonodes, and crude hypnotism (works on most sentient races) are not magic. The fact that the Jedi have mastered these cheap tricks as well as swordsmanship, piloting, tactics, and so on is a testament to the dedication they had to their craft and the commitment they had to the Big Lie: that they were serving some greater power, the Force. Really?
-But they used the force against the droids in the Clone Wars! - Oh, did they? Did you ever see them? I sure didn't. And as for the reports about it, don't your remember that the Jedi had a secret pact with Dooku (a former Jedi) the entire time? Of course he was content to pretend they were using the force against him, their entire strategy was to prolong the war as long as possible until they could launch their coup! And as soon as they have to go up against a real opponent, the 501st, all of their cheap parlor tricks. did nothing. Wiped out entirely. You'd think a bunch of militant wizards, who held a million droidekas at bay for years, would be able to do equally well against a few squads of clone troopers, right? But nope, as soon as they stopped fighting the enemy they were actively colluding with and fought someone who actually wanted them dead. bam. No more Jedi.
I don't know who came up with the Force originally, but I think it's clear that the Jedi and the Senate kept up the charade because they realized some time ago that the Republic couldn't be held together on a wish and a prayer any more, and worlds might be inclined not to secede if they thought there were a bunch of laser wizards ready to be dispatched against them at moment's notice. It might have worked for a few hundred years, but what the Senate didn't count on was the Jedi working behind their back to use their legendary status (via guys like Dooku) into fermenting the very rebellion it was supposed to discourage. By the time they realized what the Jedi were up to, it was too late, and once the dust cleared the Senate were hardly going to admit they had been complicit in fooling us all for the last thousand years. Plus, now the Empire can use the same lie to scare misbehaving kids, only this time it's with Vader instead of Yoda. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
source: finishing up my BA in Pre-Imperial Galactic History at U-CORR and doing my senior honors thesis on secondary causes of the CIS rebellion.
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-tphillips37
I can totally buy this for the most part. But if the Jedi were that close to the Old Republic government, I'd think they'd be a little bit better known. The rest is really dead on accurate. Nobody saw Luke's battles with Vader or the Emperor, so they're going to think the Rebels did everything. He may be known as a great pilot and soldier, but not a Jedi. He carries the light saber on his belt, but since it's not on, people probably don't know what it is and assume it's a tool or a good luck charm of some kind.
Rewriting history to teach children only what you want them to know does work, it's been going on since the beginning of time. Already there are things I learned in school that my daughter either wasn't taught or was taught completely differently. Scary
My big question, is why the assumption that the Rebels won the war at Endor. Yes, the Emperor was dead, but who else knew that? The Empire would cover his death up, and without evidence -- conveniently vaporized in the Death Star's explosion -- the Empire could conceivably continue on for some time. How many people ever saw more than just a holographic projection of him anyway? And he wore a hooded robe, so probably nobody knows what he looks like. We could fake his still being alive with the technology we have, never mind what's in the SW universe.
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I can totally buy this for the most part. But if the Jedi were that close to the Old Republic government, I'd think they'd be a little bit better known. The rest is really dead on accurate. Nobody saw Luke's battles with Vader or the Emperor, so they're going to think the Rebels did everything. He may be known as a great pilot and soldier, but not a Jedi. He carries the light saber on his belt, but since it's not on, people probably don't know what it is and assume it's a tool or a good luck charm of some kind.
Rewriting history to teach children only what you want them to know does work, it's been going on since the beginning of time. Already there are things I learned in school that my daughter either wasn't taught or was taught completely differently. Scary
My big question, is why the assumption that the Rebels won the war at Endor. Yes, the Emperor was dead, but who else knew that? The Empire would cover his death up, and without evidence -- conveniently vaporized in the Death Star's explosion -- the Empire could conceivably continue on for some time. How many people ever saw more than just a holographic projection of him anyway? And he wore a hooded robe, so probably nobody knows what he looks like. We could fake his still being alive with the technology we have, never mind what's in the SW universe.
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-Apav1x
Yea. no I still don't buy it. As this video says over and over again the galaxy is a large place. While the Empire could only do so much I'm sure there was still much proof of their existence. People that lived when the Republic and the Jedi Order was around and are still alive, recently discovered Jedi temples, photos and videos of Jedi in action, like from the Clone Wars (yes people could call them fake but there has to be a lot of videos stil around that Palpatine and Vader couldn't get to- I mean it was a long war that took place all across the galaxy so it's silly to think that no evidence survived, etc.
The jabs at the Jedi/Sith being ancient religions and a myth in Episode IV exist because that was the first Star Wars movie, so back then what happened before the time the movie takes place in was very much uncertain to everyone that was involved with creating the story. But George decided to make them a major galactic power in the prequels, pretty much a branch of the Republic's government and so well known that even the scummiest people on the most backwater planet may not have ever met one, but know about them. It is precisely because of how omipresent they are in the galaxy in the prequels that we question how they could've vanished into myth so easily. George isn't the best writer.
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Yea. no I still don't buy it. As this video says over and over again the galaxy is a large place. While the Empire could only do so much I'm sure there was still much proof of their existence. People that lived when the Republic and the Jedi Order was around and are still alive, recently discovered Jedi temples, photos and videos of Jedi in action, like from the Clone Wars (yes people could call them fake but there has to be a lot of videos stil around that Palpatine and Vader couldn't get to- I mean it was a long war that took place all across the galaxy so it's silly to think that no evidence survived, etc.
The jabs at the Jedi/Sith being ancient religions and a myth in Episode IV exist because that was the first Star Wars movie, so back then what happened before the time the movie takes place in was very much uncertain to everyone that was involved with creating the story. But George decided to make them a major galactic power in the prequels, pretty much a branch of the Republic's government and so well known that even the scummiest people on the most backwater planet may not have ever met one, but know about them. It is precisely because of how omipresent they are in the galaxy in the prequels that we question how they could've vanished into myth so easily. George isn't the best writer.
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-scollaybaws
In the clone wars it seems like Anakin and were famous and well known for their war efforts battling the CIS and the trade federation, they were legends and there exploits were broadcast on the galactic holo-net. The Jedi were put in charge of the clone army! That's not a small involvement that's huge! Galaxy's are massive and for the most part the Clone wars would have only effected a certain percent of the beings living within it, it does seem like it was a far reaching war and effected races that weren't really involved with the republic, these races first point of contact are usually the Jedi or the Sith. I'm not buying the galaxy wide mass amnesia about the Jedi, it's not like WW2 and all the people who were in charge of ground troops and the planning of military deployments have been consigned to the annals of myth and legend. If there's any doubt about the force being real or not, They put the Jedi in charge of the army! A quasi-religious group? Hmmmm
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In the clone wars it seems like Anakin and were famous and well known for their war efforts battling the CIS and the trade federation, they were legends and there exploits were broadcast on the galactic holo-net. The Jedi were put in charge of the clone army! That's not a small involvement that's huge! Galaxy's are massive and for the most part the Clone wars would have only effected a certain percent of the beings living within it, it does seem like it was a far reaching war and effected races that weren't really involved with the republic, these races first point of contact are usually the Jedi or the Sith. I'm not buying the galaxy wide mass amnesia about the Jedi, it's not like WW2 and all the people who were in charge of ground troops and the planning of military deployments have been consigned to the annals of myth and legend. If there's any doubt about the force being real or not, They put the Jedi in charge of the army! A quasi-religious group? Hmmmm
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-loudboy317
If Luke didn't make a dent in the world of Star Wars in a public way, then why is everyone in the Force Awakens so hellbent on looking for him? Both the First Order and the Resistance want to find Luke for different reasons and the Jakku villagers all died keeping the map to Luke's location from falling into the hands of Kylo Ren. Both Rey and Finn seemed to be aware of who Luke is and despite the fact that they've never met him before, they were still willing to risk their lives to keep the map away from the First Order. I think Luke did more than just make a dent to make his presence known throughout the galaxy.
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If Luke didn't make a dent in the world of Star Wars in a public way, then why is everyone in the Force Awakens so hellbent on looking for him? Both the First Order and the Resistance want to find Luke for different reasons and the Jakku villagers all died keeping the map to Luke's location from falling into the hands of Kylo Ren. Both Rey and Finn seemed to be aware of who Luke is and despite the fact that they've never met him before, they were still willing to risk their lives to keep the map away from the First Order. I think Luke did more than just make a dent to make his presence known throughout the galaxy.
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-beefymario88
Didn't the Jedi have one of the biggest skyscrapers on the Galaxies capital planet that was literally called the Jedi Council and was the second most important building on Corruscant? I think that when making the prequals Lucas simply forgot that he made the Jedi a myth in the original series. It's that or it simply doesn't make sense. Everyone knew who the Jedi were in Ep 1-3 literally everyone.
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Didn't the Jedi have one of the biggest skyscrapers on the Galaxies capital planet that was literally called the Jedi Council and was the second most important building on Corruscant? I think that when making the prequals Lucas simply forgot that he made the Jedi a myth in the original series. It's that or it simply doesn't make sense. Everyone knew who the Jedi were in Ep 1-3 literally everyone.
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-BoydTheMilkmanX
I think the best argument you can make is that Luke's story wasn't the real story people would take away in universe. Luke is a small set piece, in fact the battle of Endor itself is more about the rebels vs the rebellion as Luke observes. It doesn't matter what Luke did there because the end was the Empire lost without Luke truly contributing.
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I think the best argument you can make is that Luke's story wasn't the real story people would take away in universe. Luke is a small set piece, in fact the battle of Endor itself is more about the rebels vs the rebellion as Luke observes. It doesn't matter what Luke did there because the end was the Empire lost without Luke truly contributing.
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polygon
Has anyone seen old episodes of the Tonight Show's Jay Walking? People are painfully unaware of even the basics that indirectly affect their lives. Hell, people probably think the Tonight Show started with Fallon. Imagine if a empire used its power to erase all knowledge of a small group. Within 2 generations it would all be forgotten.
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Has anyone seen old episodes of the Tonight Show's Jay Walking? People are painfully unaware of even the basics that indirectly affect their lives. Hell, people probably think the Tonight Show started with Fallon. Imagine if a empire used its power to erase all knowledge of a small group. Within 2 generations it would all be forgotten.
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-mandapaige1
I always thought that there were Jedi alive somewhere in the universe but we're in hiding. Wasn't there a scene where Obiwan said he sent out a message telling other Jedi to hide until the time was right? I might be going crazy but I thought that was what the premise of the Force Awakens was.
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I always thought that there were Jedi alive somewhere in the universe but we're in hiding. Wasn't there a scene where Obiwan said he sent out a message telling other Jedi to hide until the time was right? I might be going crazy but I thought that was what the premise of the Force Awakens was.
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-adamlucienroy
I held off watching this video for a good long while because I thought I'd lose my nerd-shit about the expanded legacy universe whatever none-sense, but the video just affirmed it all, which was nice. It used good logic, which is good. It didn't betray my EU stuff.
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I held off watching this video for a good long while because I thought I'd lose my nerd-shit about the expanded legacy universe whatever none-sense, but the video just affirmed it all, which was nice. It used good logic, which is good. It didn't betray my EU stuff.
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-mildsoup8978
but before Order 66 enough of the Galaxy knew what jedi were, so much so that when Jedi recruited force sensitive children they were met with little resistance, if a prestigious school came for my kids I would allow it, if a obscure cult did it I wouldn't.
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but before Order 66 enough of the Galaxy knew what jedi were, so much so that when Jedi recruited force sensitive children they were met with little resistance, if a prestigious school came for my kids I would allow it, if a obscure cult did it I wouldn't.
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-FrankAtanassow
-Quasi-religious-, not -pseudo-religious-. -Pseudo-- means -false-; -quasi-- means -sort of-. For example, -pseudo-science- is something which falsely presents itself as science, and a -pseudonym- is a false name.
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-Quasi-religious-, not -pseudo-religious-. -Pseudo-- means -false-; -quasi-- means -sort of-. For example, -pseudo-science- is something which falsely presents itself as science, and a -pseudonym- is a false name.
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-MarkLastiwka
-The rebel leadership didn't even know the emperor and Vader were on the space station-
They did, for a fact, know the Emperor was on the Death Star. That is why they did such a risky assault.
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-The rebel leadership didn't even know the emperor and Vader were on the space station-
They did, for a fact, know the Emperor was on the Death Star. That is why they did such a risky assault.
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-sandorsbox
They operated as peace keepers for millennia, actually.
I find you lack of disbelief. pleasing. I must admit, well done.
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They operated as peace keepers for millennia, actually.
I find you lack of disbelief. pleasing. I must admit, well done.
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-cardinalrule6810
If the Rebel Alliance didn't believe in Jedi, why did the Resistance think the map to Luke Skywalker was so important?
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If the Rebel Alliance didn't believe in Jedi, why did the Resistance think the map to Luke Skywalker was so important?
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