Why 'pudding' refers to sausages and desserts
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we have the good ole flan made from eggs but there's also a more industrialized thing, not sure if using starches or gelatin along with vanilla flavor and caramel sauce, that is still called flan and looks more firm and consistent than pudding
there's also cheese flan which is probably more like a cheesecake with caramel, sometimes mixing in cocoa or coffee
Date: 2023-01-27
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Syrio
Speaking from Costa Rica, as I understand it when it comes to the other latinamerican countries there a very LOT of variance in the words we use to describe food, we may use the same name to describe different things or use different words to describe the same thing, so if you have friends from other countries you need to actually check the description of food to know if you are on the same page. Here pudding is mostly used to describe imported products from USA with the same descriptor (the jello pudding already prepared kind, we use Flan for the dry yellowy vanilla kind and the custards, but i wouldn't be surprised if in other places they use pudding to describe entirely different things. Here we use the word Budin to describe a sort of sweet cake made with dry and old bread using the same method you described, most likely the words are related.
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Speaking from Costa Rica, as I understand it when it comes to the other latinamerican countries there a very LOT of variance in the words we use to describe food, we may use the same name to describe different things or use different words to describe the same thing, so if you have friends from other countries you need to actually check the description of food to know if you are on the same page. Here pudding is mostly used to describe imported products from USA with the same descriptor (the jello pudding already prepared kind, we use Flan for the dry yellowy vanilla kind and the custards, but i wouldn't be surprised if in other places they use pudding to describe entirely different things. Here we use the word Budin to describe a sort of sweet cake made with dry and old bread using the same method you described, most likely the words are related.
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Jo o
Here in Brazil we call pudim (the Portuguese language equivalent of pudding I believe) a version of flan or creme caramel made of a misture of milk and sweetened condensed milk instead of the french traditional milk and sugar but still thickened with eggs and still with hard caramel deposited on the bottom of the pan that hidrates in the baking process forming a thin syrup on the dessert once is inverted on to serving plate. We also usually bake in a bundt pan instead of simple circular one (for the same reason the doughnuts and bagels eventually gained holes in the middle, more even cooking.
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Here in Brazil we call pudim (the Portuguese language equivalent of pudding I believe) a version of flan or creme caramel made of a misture of milk and sweetened condensed milk instead of the french traditional milk and sugar but still thickened with eggs and still with hard caramel deposited on the bottom of the pan that hidrates in the baking process forming a thin syrup on the dessert once is inverted on to serving plate. We also usually bake in a bundt pan instead of simple circular one (for the same reason the doughnuts and bagels eventually gained holes in the middle, more even cooking.
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Gordon
One day earlier and you really could have gone to town on Haggis. (Burns Night; 25th Jan) Anyway, here (Scotland at least) we don't call sausages pudding - they're. sausages. Also they're sometimes square. Black pudding isn't a sausage either. White pudding? Savoury. (. Suet pudding? Sweet. Mmmm. Serve with custard. Paranoid? Not me. I'm Scottish, not from the Black Country.
( ) Old joke. Englishman goes into Scottish chippy and asks What's White pudding? the lassie behind the counter says it's offal. Englishman says; Well it might be awful, but what's in it? . I'll get my mac.
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One day earlier and you really could have gone to town on Haggis. (Burns Night; 25th Jan) Anyway, here (Scotland at least) we don't call sausages pudding - they're. sausages. Also they're sometimes square. Black pudding isn't a sausage either. White pudding? Savoury. (. Suet pudding? Sweet. Mmmm. Serve with custard. Paranoid? Not me. I'm Scottish, not from the Black Country.
( ) Old joke. Englishman goes into Scottish chippy and asks What's White pudding? the lassie behind the counter says it's offal. Englishman says; Well it might be awful, but what's in it? . I'll get my mac.
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Joel
Interestingly, swedish blodpudding, 'blood pudding', seems closest to that intermediate stage, probably representing a relatively early borrowing of the word 'pudding' from English. It's a dough made of rye flour, blood, beer, syrup, spices, and often suet or lard; the dough is then baked or boiled.
A lot of people don't like the taste, and most assume it tastes weird because of the blood, but really it's probably mostly the sweetness, the rye, and the weird spice blend; the blood really doesn't do that much, flavor wise.
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Interestingly, swedish blodpudding, 'blood pudding', seems closest to that intermediate stage, probably representing a relatively early borrowing of the word 'pudding' from English. It's a dough made of rye flour, blood, beer, syrup, spices, and often suet or lard; the dough is then baked or boiled.
A lot of people don't like the taste, and most assume it tastes weird because of the blood, but really it's probably mostly the sweetness, the rye, and the weird spice blend; the blood really doesn't do that much, flavor wise.
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the8thark
French word introduced by the normal conquest? Really? You actually believe that from Oxford? I hope not.
The Norman conquests were the norse or viking peoples who took over. A lot of their words entered the language at that time. Old English sort of went underground for a while because of this. Later in it resurfaced and both the Norman and Old English words for many things were both kept.
Saying it's French from the Norman conquest of England (and surrounds? I laughed as soon as I heard you say that.
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French word introduced by the normal conquest? Really? You actually believe that from Oxford? I hope not.
The Norman conquests were the norse or viking peoples who took over. A lot of their words entered the language at that time. Old English sort of went underground for a while because of this. Later in it resurfaced and both the Norman and Old English words for many things were both kept.
Saying it's French from the Norman conquest of England (and surrounds? I laughed as soon as I heard you say that.
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Un
Hi Adam, I'm from Argentina and most of us probably wouldn't call flan a pudding, in fact, we seldom use that word or any derivatives from it. For us the difference between the 2 would be the consistency, with flan being more solid, having more of a bite, and pudding being more loose and creamy(basically your Jell-o Pudding. We usually call that postre or postrecito, which means dessert since that's essentially what they are. On an unrelated note, it seems that in Japan they call Flan, Pudding, don't know why.
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Hi Adam, I'm from Argentina and most of us probably wouldn't call flan a pudding, in fact, we seldom use that word or any derivatives from it. For us the difference between the 2 would be the consistency, with flan being more solid, having more of a bite, and pudding being more loose and creamy(basically your Jell-o Pudding. We usually call that postre or postrecito, which means dessert since that's essentially what they are. On an unrelated note, it seems that in Japan they call Flan, Pudding, don't know why.
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Dom
I think you're correct when you say there wasn't a distinction between sweet and savoury foods originally. Sweet things were just put into savoury dishes because they tasted interesting, and probably made the meat and guts taste a bit less bland! It was only over the course of time that the concept of a specifically sweet pudding became a thing, but they were still made in basically the same way. Desserts like Christmas Pudding still are traditionally wrapped in cloth and steamed.
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I think you're correct when you say there wasn't a distinction between sweet and savoury foods originally. Sweet things were just put into savoury dishes because they tasted interesting, and probably made the meat and guts taste a bit less bland! It was only over the course of time that the concept of a specifically sweet pudding became a thing, but they were still made in basically the same way. Desserts like Christmas Pudding still are traditionally wrapped in cloth and steamed.
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J069FIX
Funnily enough, black sausage is both the literal and figurative translation of mustamakkara, a blood sausage eaten here in Finland, and especially in and around my birth town of Tampere. Makkara in the culinary language only ever means sausage. Usually we think puddings are of the sweet kind, but we do not have a better translation for the likes of Yorkshire pudding, so both sweet and savoury puddings are commonly called vanukas (written here in singular) in Finnish.
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Funnily enough, black sausage is both the literal and figurative translation of mustamakkara, a blood sausage eaten here in Finland, and especially in and around my birth town of Tampere. Makkara in the culinary language only ever means sausage. Usually we think puddings are of the sweet kind, but we do not have a better translation for the likes of Yorkshire pudding, so both sweet and savoury puddings are commonly called vanukas (written here in singular) in Finnish.
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Dobi_Coqui
Back home(Puerto Rico) we call a thick jelly like custard a pudin, we don't really call flan pudin unless it's made from the box mix you just showed then we call it pudin even though it's flan and we call flan made from scratch flan, confusing I know. Honestly we don't even know the origins or reasons of certain names of foods we eat back home. We also eat intestines stuffed with blood and meat/veggies we call it morcilla, not a fan IMHO but my family loves them.
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Back home(Puerto Rico) we call a thick jelly like custard a pudin, we don't really call flan pudin unless it's made from the box mix you just showed then we call it pudin even though it's flan and we call flan made from scratch flan, confusing I know. Honestly we don't even know the origins or reasons of certain names of foods we eat back home. We also eat intestines stuffed with blood and meat/veggies we call it morcilla, not a fan IMHO but my family loves them.
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theoriginal
In spain the word pudding is rarely used and normally it refers to brittish dishes with some sort of bread or cake as a part of it. Sausagges get a lot of names depending on the kind of sausage (ther is a galitian sausage wich is called botelo) like salchicha, chorizo, fuet, morcilla. And the desserts get other names. Sometimes you can hear pudin de chocolate meaning its a dessert from the usa or other english speaking country since the word is not native
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In spain the word pudding is rarely used and normally it refers to brittish dishes with some sort of bread or cake as a part of it. Sausagges get a lot of names depending on the kind of sausage (ther is a galitian sausage wich is called botelo) like salchicha, chorizo, fuet, morcilla. And the desserts get other names. Sometimes you can hear pudin de chocolate meaning its a dessert from the usa or other english speaking country since the word is not native
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SaltyHQ
This is probably my favorite video from you, Adam.
The history of pudding is the perfect topic for a bottom up approach of explaining: the final part of the video wouldn't be nearly as satisfying, when one does not have the information given in the first and the middle part.
Adding, I love the way you're comparing the similarities between each cultural distinct dish and how the culture changes once you add a different ingredient.
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This is probably my favorite video from you, Adam.
The history of pudding is the perfect topic for a bottom up approach of explaining: the final part of the video wouldn't be nearly as satisfying, when one does not have the information given in the first and the middle part.
Adding, I love the way you're comparing the similarities between each cultural distinct dish and how the culture changes once you add a different ingredient.
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John
Making that old pudding recipe reminded me how my grandmother used make Christmas pudding. Suit, linen cloth but she lined it with butter and boiled for hours in a pot. That same shape with the lines at the bottom from where the cloth bunched up. she would cut the bottom (the top/ where all the cloth came together) so it would sit properly. The American meaning of pudding always confused me, its basically like Dutch vla
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Making that old pudding recipe reminded me how my grandmother used make Christmas pudding. Suit, linen cloth but she lined it with butter and boiled for hours in a pot. That same shape with the lines at the bottom from where the cloth bunched up. she would cut the bottom (the top/ where all the cloth came together) so it would sit properly. The American meaning of pudding always confused me, its basically like Dutch vla
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LethaLee
The putting fruits into to the mix got me going down the mincemeat pie rabbit hole. pudding pies? Was there a mincemeat pudding recipe some where in your research? I have had haggis at highland games. was never interested in blood sausage. kind of a short video this time, not like the rambling podcasts. Got me thinking a little on different mixing in my cook pots.
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The putting fruits into to the mix got me going down the mincemeat pie rabbit hole. pudding pies? Was there a mincemeat pudding recipe some where in your research? I have had haggis at highland games. was never interested in blood sausage. kind of a short video this time, not like the rambling podcasts. Got me thinking a little on different mixing in my cook pots.
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Teauma
I'm fairly sure (but not 100%, as with any etymologically ambiguous word) that boudin in French does not simply mean sausage, that would be the word saucisse, the actual origin of the English word sausage. Boudin refers to boudin blanc and boudin noir, white pudding and black pudding, the white variant being a milky fatty sausage with no blood whatsoever.
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I'm fairly sure (but not 100%, as with any etymologically ambiguous word) that boudin in French does not simply mean sausage, that would be the word saucisse, the actual origin of the English word sausage. Boudin refers to boudin blanc and boudin noir, white pudding and black pudding, the white variant being a milky fatty sausage with no blood whatsoever.
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