Should Be Better for 810: PCB & VRM Review of EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra
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Date: 2020-11-11
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YouroGamer
Lmao GN i hope youre reading these comments, this is unreal. ALOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO, or really understand whats going on and what actually makes a difference to them. Do not get me wrong I love that buildzoid noticed all of this but when it comes to matter of importance if these items where there or not it basically comes down to if your LN2 overclocking which as im sure youre aware maybe a handful of people watching you actually do, in which case why would a company add those in? If you are one of those poeple that need that specific vcore chip or an extra bios then you would just go get that card.
So many people in the comments are either moving away or are now in a bad mindset about EVGA just due to this video when in all reality this is an upgraded pcb from the founders edition and shouldnt be put below any other cards due to the price. I have now gotten my hands on x3 3080's all of which came close to if not over 800 with tax and even more if you get the microcenter protection plan, point being people are willing to spend a grand+ for this card and since everything that is NOT included doesn't make a lick of performance difference overclocking or not it shouldnt be at the fore front of the video and have so much importance being placed on it.
Lets be honest if he went over that vcore controller once this video would be 15minutes long. It deserves recognition not obsession.
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Lmao GN i hope youre reading these comments, this is unreal. ALOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO, or really understand whats going on and what actually makes a difference to them. Do not get me wrong I love that buildzoid noticed all of this but when it comes to matter of importance if these items where there or not it basically comes down to if your LN2 overclocking which as im sure youre aware maybe a handful of people watching you actually do, in which case why would a company add those in? If you are one of those poeple that need that specific vcore chip or an extra bios then you would just go get that card.
So many people in the comments are either moving away or are now in a bad mindset about EVGA just due to this video when in all reality this is an upgraded pcb from the founders edition and shouldnt be put below any other cards due to the price. I have now gotten my hands on x3 3080's all of which came close to if not over 800 with tax and even more if you get the microcenter protection plan, point being people are willing to spend a grand+ for this card and since everything that is NOT included doesn't make a lick of performance difference overclocking or not it shouldnt be at the fore front of the video and have so much importance being placed on it.
Lets be honest if he went over that vcore controller once this video would be 15minutes long. It deserves recognition not obsession.
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Ike
Buildzoid,
The fuses are bad for modders. Specifically the PCIE slot. It's only 10 amps. 10A 12v= 120W.
So if you are shunt modding the card to allow it to draw more power, if you draw more than 120 watts from the PCIE port, the fuse will blow and you can't use the card anymore.
I believe the ratio of PCIE slot to a single PCIE plug is 1.25x or something close to it. So if you tried modding for more than 600W total (e.g. stacking 5 mOhm shunts on top of the originals, or removing the original shunts and maybe using 3 mOhm replacements, that fuse is going byebye.
The other AIB's have 20 amp fuses on both the PCIE slot and power PCIE plugs (afaik).
The Founder's Edition does not have fuses at all. I've shunt modded mine for 530W TDP 114% power limit, and a few others have modded their FE's as well.
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Buildzoid,
The fuses are bad for modders. Specifically the PCIE slot. It's only 10 amps. 10A 12v= 120W.
So if you are shunt modding the card to allow it to draw more power, if you draw more than 120 watts from the PCIE port, the fuse will blow and you can't use the card anymore.
I believe the ratio of PCIE slot to a single PCIE plug is 1.25x or something close to it. So if you tried modding for more than 600W total (e.g. stacking 5 mOhm shunts on top of the originals, or removing the original shunts and maybe using 3 mOhm replacements, that fuse is going byebye.
The other AIB's have 20 amp fuses on both the PCIE slot and power PCIE plugs (afaik).
The Founder's Edition does not have fuses at all. I've shunt modded mine for 530W TDP 114% power limit, and a few others have modded their FE's as well.
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Arky
These 800+ OC edition cards are BS already, all of them turbo past these OC marks automatically it's just a way of inflating the price without adding any value. At least some of them have decent coolers and boards for the money so this is pretty disappointing to see.
Will it really matter for board performance? Heck probably not at all, most people care way too much about parts than they should rather than whether the sum of them works, I''m just salty about these 800+ cards that don't look any better than the FE or other cheaper alternatives.
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These 800+ OC edition cards are BS already, all of them turbo past these OC marks automatically it's just a way of inflating the price without adding any value. At least some of them have decent coolers and boards for the money so this is pretty disappointing to see.
Will it really matter for board performance? Heck probably not at all, most people care way too much about parts than they should rather than whether the sum of them works, I''m just salty about these 800+ cards that don't look any better than the FE or other cheaper alternatives.
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AG.Cipher
I do wonder if there's too much fetishism about ability to overclock
How many people are actually going to do any hard mods? Seems weird to say the quality is bad value when the arguments for that statement are extremely niche and probably don't apply to 99% of the audience.
That doesn't mean I'm saying component quality doesn't matter, as it can positively affect other areas (eg efficiency), but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I guess the only statement you could make is that price could be lower?
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I do wonder if there's too much fetishism about ability to overclock
How many people are actually going to do any hard mods? Seems weird to say the quality is bad value when the arguments for that statement are extremely niche and probably don't apply to 99% of the audience.
That doesn't mean I'm saying component quality doesn't matter, as it can positively affect other areas (eg efficiency), but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I guess the only statement you could make is that price could be lower?
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TeslaDev
Actually quite disappointed in my evga 3080 ftw3 ultra. Seeing 700 tuf's beat it stock. It doesn't OC hardly at all, and what I do get out of it, it's still beat by many tuf's running stock boosting with no offsets. Runs very hot. I always go with cheaper variants...but talked myself into spending more this time to get higher power limits and better cooling. My card doesn't even take advantage of this power limit...I need to undervolt just to hold a 1935 clock. This is my 3rd, but last EVGA card.
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Actually quite disappointed in my evga 3080 ftw3 ultra. Seeing 700 tuf's beat it stock. It doesn't OC hardly at all, and what I do get out of it, it's still beat by many tuf's running stock boosting with no offsets. Runs very hot. I always go with cheaper variants...but talked myself into spending more this time to get higher power limits and better cooling. My card doesn't even take advantage of this power limit...I need to undervolt just to hold a 1935 clock. This is my 3rd, but last EVGA card.
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That
Your criticisms makes a lot of sense considering it's pricing in the US, it doesn't justify it's markup and it seems to have some issues. Just thought I'd mention that in Australia it's one of the cheapest 3080 you can buy, and so when many brands - even ones such as zotac and galax - are going for 100- 400(AUD) more expensive than the FTW3, it's a no brainer which to buy.
Edit: I say buy, but in reality, i mean preorder with Queue's that likely reach into 2021.
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Your criticisms makes a lot of sense considering it's pricing in the US, it doesn't justify it's markup and it seems to have some issues. Just thought I'd mention that in Australia it's one of the cheapest 3080 you can buy, and so when many brands - even ones such as zotac and galax - are going for 100- 400(AUD) more expensive than the FTW3, it's a no brainer which to buy.
Edit: I say buy, but in reality, i mean preorder with Queue's that likely reach into 2021.
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SideswipePrime606
Thanks for the detailed breakdown!
But man this sucks. I really wanted the FTW3, as I love the look of it. Especially the red trim. But at 100 more than a founder's edition without any meaningful upgrades to the card itself or in cooling. Other than the capacitors on the back of the GPU itself. I'll either pass on it for an ASUS or Gigabyte, or wait for an eventual price drop on this one.
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Thanks for the detailed breakdown!
But man this sucks. I really wanted the FTW3, as I love the look of it. Especially the red trim. But at 100 more than a founder's edition without any meaningful upgrades to the card itself or in cooling. Other than the capacitors on the back of the GPU itself. I'll either pass on it for an ASUS or Gigabyte, or wait for an eventual price drop on this one.
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Hellish
Can you guys do a video on the EVGA 500W XOC Bios not working on FTW3 3090s. It is a huge issue over on the EVGA forums right now because EVGA's own bios is not getting to 500W on their own FTW3 cards despite the same bios working perfectly on the cards of other brands. It appears similar to what is said in the video, EVGA cheaped out on components on their 1800 card which gimped its performance.
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Can you guys do a video on the EVGA 500W XOC Bios not working on FTW3 3090s. It is a huge issue over on the EVGA forums right now because EVGA's own bios is not getting to 500W on their own FTW3 cards despite the same bios working perfectly on the cards of other brands. It appears similar to what is said in the video, EVGA cheaped out on components on their 1800 card which gimped its performance.
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Tres
Curious if buildzoid can explain ftw3 power balancing issues and why some (most but not all) 3090 Ftw3s are hitting pcie power limits of 75-80w at 430w-460w total board power on the 500w bios. The same bios on strix and gaming x trio can hit 500w all day while hitting only around 40w max on pcie. And if there is a likelihood that evga can fix this without a total board redesign.
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Curious if buildzoid can explain ftw3 power balancing issues and why some (most but not all) 3090 Ftw3s are hitting pcie power limits of 75-80w at 430w-460w total board power on the 500w bios. The same bios on strix and gaming x trio can hit 500w all day while hitting only around 40w max on pcie. And if there is a likelihood that evga can fix this without a total board redesign.
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Lexie
Whats funny is in Australia this is cheaper than all other brands base models. Where MSRP is supposed to be 1139, evga is the only one to hit it with cards ranging from 1139 to 1259. For perspective.. the base TUF is 1399.. and a Strix 3070 is 1299. The absolute cheapest I can find a 3080 from another brand is an Inno3D card for 1249.
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Whats funny is in Australia this is cheaper than all other brands base models. Where MSRP is supposed to be 1139, evga is the only one to hit it with cards ranging from 1139 to 1259. For perspective.. the base TUF is 1399.. and a Strix 3070 is 1299. The absolute cheapest I can find a 3080 from another brand is an Inno3D card for 1249.
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