HW News - Intel Prepping Comeback, TSMC 3nm Silicon, Radeon GPUs in Phones, NVIDIA Mining GPUs
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Date: 2021-01-25
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Joshua
Mining GPUs are dumb and bad for the environment. They're a crap investment for miners and also additional risk, cos when crypto crashes again (which could happen any time) they can't flip their GPUs to gamers. At that point they are just ewaste, when they could have had a useful second, third or 4th life in a PC. Nvidia also takes steps to prevent people using mining GPUs for games and similarly using E-GPUs on laptops that weren't designed for E-GPUs where Nvidia started adding arbitrary code in newer drivers that checks for PCI-E hotplug being enabled, because they want to try force you to buy a new GPU or a new laptop with a GPU built in. So Nvidia markets mining GPUs as a cost saving thing, and while it does cost slightly less to make a mining GPU, they simultanrously actively pursue an agenda of blatantly obsoleting hardware before its time, to try force new sales. Its anti-consumer and anti-environment. Add that to their dodgy behavior of threatening reviewers, trying to coerce fake positive reviews... its rather dark.
Its like their code 43 errors for IOMMU pass through for gaming in a windows VM under Linux. They're trying to prevent professional use of their gaming GPUs. Rather than make a compelling product or service they want to artificially try force you to pay more for a newer or workstation grade product.
Here's a shocker... If you want people to make good reviews and people to buy it... Make it good and it will sell itself without all the manipulation.
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Mining GPUs are dumb and bad for the environment. They're a crap investment for miners and also additional risk, cos when crypto crashes again (which could happen any time) they can't flip their GPUs to gamers. At that point they are just ewaste, when they could have had a useful second, third or 4th life in a PC. Nvidia also takes steps to prevent people using mining GPUs for games and similarly using E-GPUs on laptops that weren't designed for E-GPUs where Nvidia started adding arbitrary code in newer drivers that checks for PCI-E hotplug being enabled, because they want to try force you to buy a new GPU or a new laptop with a GPU built in. So Nvidia markets mining GPUs as a cost saving thing, and while it does cost slightly less to make a mining GPU, they simultanrously actively pursue an agenda of blatantly obsoleting hardware before its time, to try force new sales. Its anti-consumer and anti-environment. Add that to their dodgy behavior of threatening reviewers, trying to coerce fake positive reviews... its rather dark.
Its like their code 43 errors for IOMMU pass through for gaming in a windows VM under Linux. They're trying to prevent professional use of their gaming GPUs. Rather than make a compelling product or service they want to artificially try force you to pay more for a newer or workstation grade product.
Here's a shocker... If you want people to make good reviews and people to buy it... Make it good and it will sell itself without all the manipulation.
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Mariano
I just watched a hardware design) course from last year (from an actual Uni). The effort that goes into designing these things is incredible. There are like a docent scopes at which you have to make design decisions, there are ever more criterias getting relevant for consumers( power consumption and efficiency for example) and every decision is ALWAYS a tradeoff. What is most amazing though is that the design cycle is about 5 YEARS over halve of which is spent debugging and testing. People always judge them as if the developers could respond to last years products from the competitor, even though there is basically no wiggle room left then(the 5 years don't include the actual production of the chips which adds even more latency to the designing company)
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I just watched a hardware design) course from last year (from an actual Uni). The effort that goes into designing these things is incredible. There are like a docent scopes at which you have to make design decisions, there are ever more criterias getting relevant for consumers( power consumption and efficiency for example) and every decision is ALWAYS a tradeoff. What is most amazing though is that the design cycle is about 5 YEARS over halve of which is spent debugging and testing. People always judge them as if the developers could respond to last years products from the competitor, even though there is basically no wiggle room left then(the 5 years don't include the actual production of the chips which adds even more latency to the designing company)
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G.
Just an FYI: a lot of the car semi conductors aren't made in Asia, the basic stuff like CPUs, displays and all, of course it's made there, but the critical stuff like ASICs are made in facilities that offer guarantees that aren't possible in Asia (mostly security related), which is why so much of this stuff, even Apple's Face ID stuff, is made on 28nm nodes... in the West. There are very few facilities in the entire world, that can make car specific chips because of the specific needs of the automotive industry (zero defect for starters), therefore, these specific shortages have more to do with the insane demand these facilities are facing (due in part to Apple), rather than anything to do with Asia.
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Just an FYI: a lot of the car semi conductors aren't made in Asia, the basic stuff like CPUs, displays and all, of course it's made there, but the critical stuff like ASICs are made in facilities that offer guarantees that aren't possible in Asia (mostly security related), which is why so much of this stuff, even Apple's Face ID stuff, is made on 28nm nodes... in the West. There are very few facilities in the entire world, that can make car specific chips because of the specific needs of the automotive industry (zero defect for starters), therefore, these specific shortages have more to do with the insane demand these facilities are facing (due in part to Apple), rather than anything to do with Asia.
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Bulldawgfan
I am sure American Corporations will find a way to rip off the American people, their greed will find a way. The stimulus comment was a joke right. The Wealthy are so greedy they would destroy the economy before allowing the American worker to receive stimulus checks to keep the economy going. Billionaires should not exist, they do nothing good for anyone. They do not even understand the comic book and movie industry. They are allowing both of those industries to disappear. They do not understand that some very good writers come from comics book industry and they can't make billion dollar movies and expect to release them on streaming services and make any of their money back.
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I am sure American Corporations will find a way to rip off the American people, their greed will find a way. The stimulus comment was a joke right. The Wealthy are so greedy they would destroy the economy before allowing the American worker to receive stimulus checks to keep the economy going. Billionaires should not exist, they do nothing good for anyone. They do not even understand the comic book and movie industry. They are allowing both of those industries to disappear. They do not understand that some very good writers come from comics book industry and they can't make billion dollar movies and expect to release them on streaming services and make any of their money back.
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Santino
really hope they restart the CMP line and include at least ONE display out (DP, hopefully). but sadly, the only people who benefit from there not being any resale value to headless GPU's is Nvidia themselves because it prevents competition with their existing lineup.
i got a mined-on rx570 (DVI only - but works perfectly with an HDMI adapter) for 60 for my HTPC a couple of years ago - and while it's doing pretty great with a 1070ti now after I upgraded to a 3080, i definitely wouldn't say no to a potential 100 mined-on 3070 or 3060ti for it in a couple of years.
plus: E-waste!
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really hope they restart the CMP line and include at least ONE display out (DP, hopefully). but sadly, the only people who benefit from there not being any resale value to headless GPU's is Nvidia themselves because it prevents competition with their existing lineup.
i got a mined-on rx570 (DVI only - but works perfectly with an HDMI adapter) for 60 for my HTPC a couple of years ago - and while it's doing pretty great with a 1070ti now after I upgraded to a 3080, i definitely wouldn't say no to a potential 100 mined-on 3070 or 3060ti for it in a couple of years.
plus: E-waste!
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sid
I m glad I bought the parts for my new Ryzen build before some of this, but I still got caught up in the GPU aspect, my Asus rx5600xt is at least 70.00 over priced at 407.00 from Microcenter. I m expecting this to eventually affect memory prices as well, but only time will tell. I haven t been able to like others unable to catch a 3060ti. What is Zotac doing here, if they price themselves over MSI and the like people will still by them due to the lack of GPUs offered but when supplies come back Zotec will suffer unless they do huge sales.
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I m glad I bought the parts for my new Ryzen build before some of this, but I still got caught up in the GPU aspect, my Asus rx5600xt is at least 70.00 over priced at 407.00 from Microcenter. I m expecting this to eventually affect memory prices as well, but only time will tell. I haven t been able to like others unable to catch a 3060ti. What is Zotac doing here, if they price themselves over MSI and the like people will still by them due to the lack of GPUs offered but when supplies come back Zotec will suffer unless they do huge sales.
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Benjamin
If you get the time you should look into what is killing the EVGA FTW3 Ultra cards - 3080s and 3090s. Blown components on the PCIE power lines followed by the red light of death. Also why cards that are supposedly made to the same spec have differing reactions to the XOC beta bios. Nothing worse than the MSI Trio customers coming to the public forums bragging that their cheaper, non EVGA cards work with the XOC bios when the intended card doesn't.
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If you get the time you should look into what is killing the EVGA FTW3 Ultra cards - 3080s and 3090s. Blown components on the PCIE power lines followed by the red light of death. Also why cards that are supposedly made to the same spec have differing reactions to the XOC beta bios. Nothing worse than the MSI Trio customers coming to the public forums bragging that their cheaper, non EVGA cards work with the XOC bios when the intended card doesn't.
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KaraLoop
What a nice method for Intel to edge AMD out of the market: just book as much fab capacity as you possible can from TSMC and keep your own fabs rolling at full tilt. The availability alone would probably sway a lot of customers to Intel even if AMD would have been their first choice.
Apple, Intel, AMD and a host of other contenders in the silicon space increasingly seem to be nothing more than fronts for the real and almost only player: TSMC.
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What a nice method for Intel to edge AMD out of the market: just book as much fab capacity as you possible can from TSMC and keep your own fabs rolling at full tilt. The availability alone would probably sway a lot of customers to Intel even if AMD would have been their first choice.
Apple, Intel, AMD and a host of other contenders in the silicon space increasingly seem to be nothing more than fronts for the real and almost only player: TSMC.
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Kie
Mining is the most disgusting waste of resources, creating hardware just to make random numbers and the hardware will be obsolete within months whilst burning as much energy as a medium sized country. Cryptocurrencies that pointlessly waste huge amount of electricity because they can't be bothered to create a system that doesn't require large amounts hardware and energy to be consumed should be made criminally illegal.
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Mining is the most disgusting waste of resources, creating hardware just to make random numbers and the hardware will be obsolete within months whilst burning as much energy as a medium sized country. Cryptocurrencies that pointlessly waste huge amount of electricity because they can't be bothered to create a system that doesn't require large amounts hardware and energy to be consumed should be made criminally illegal.
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