HW News - Zen 3 & RDNA 2 Roadmap, Threadripper 3 Core Counts, 6000MHz RAM
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Ranger
Regarding ABBA: If I remember right, the last time I booted these PCs, my 3600X was stable at 4. 3 GHz on all 6 cores on an B450 Aorus Pro and a Wraith Spire (the older one with the copper core); and my 3900X was stable at 4. 4 GHz on all 12 cores on an X470 Aorus Gaming 7 Rev 1. 1 and a Scythe Mugen 5. If this is the case, would agesa 1. 00. 3 ABBA (or whatever they're calling it) be of any benefit to me? When I last checked (this afternoon, this update was not available for Aorus 4-series boards. Should I just switch to PBO2 and do the update (when it's available? I'm honestly quite happy with how things are running right now without even knowing if my chips will reach their advertised max boast (not a typo.
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Regarding ABBA: If I remember right, the last time I booted these PCs, my 3600X was stable at 4. 3 GHz on all 6 cores on an B450 Aorus Pro and a Wraith Spire (the older one with the copper core); and my 3900X was stable at 4. 4 GHz on all 12 cores on an X470 Aorus Gaming 7 Rev 1. 1 and a Scythe Mugen 5. If this is the case, would agesa 1. 00. 3 ABBA (or whatever they're calling it) be of any benefit to me? When I last checked (this afternoon, this update was not available for Aorus 4-series boards. Should I just switch to PBO2 and do the update (when it's available? I'm honestly quite happy with how things are running right now without even knowing if my chips will reach their advertised max boast (not a typo.
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Thomas
i waited for the ASrock Taichi rx 5700xt card to match it with my taichi board. But it looks more and more that they will go full rtrd with the price, same as the Asus ROG card which cost more than a 2070 super card. The Pulse cards is around 430 and the ROG 560, more than 100 for no measurable performance gain. If the taichi cards also resides in this price range from the 2070 Super, i hardly doubt someone will choose the taichi 5700xt card over the one from the green giant. I guess maybe they think that marketing + enough gamer Tag blink blink, someone is paying 30% more for the same performance. Of course they are different grades of cooling solution, but this is already maxed out with the Pulse at 430.
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i waited for the ASrock Taichi rx 5700xt card to match it with my taichi board. But it looks more and more that they will go full rtrd with the price, same as the Asus ROG card which cost more than a 2070 super card. The Pulse cards is around 430 and the ROG 560, more than 100 for no measurable performance gain. If the taichi cards also resides in this price range from the 2070 Super, i hardly doubt someone will choose the taichi 5700xt card over the one from the green giant. I guess maybe they think that marketing + enough gamer Tag blink blink, someone is paying 30% more for the same performance. Of course they are different grades of cooling solution, but this is already maxed out with the Pulse at 430.
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bitbatbutttiktaktuk
I have threadripper and had thermalTAKE 360 aio for a while until the rub stopped working so now I ve got the nocturnal 14s its massive like i found it hard to screw one of the screws in and the fins are quite sharp its my first air cooler so will see how it goes currently waiting to get a gnu so i can use my new ASU s zenith extreme alpha motherboard which i just swapped from the dreadful meg z 399 which had. A straight up childish bios! Bios is not the place to get all artsy and fancy stick to lists and columns and rows simple straight forward ASU s hit it on the head! I suspect gigabytes the same?
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I have threadripper and had thermalTAKE 360 aio for a while until the rub stopped working so now I ve got the nocturnal 14s its massive like i found it hard to screw one of the screws in and the fins are quite sharp its my first air cooler so will see how it goes currently waiting to get a gnu so i can use my new ASU s zenith extreme alpha motherboard which i just swapped from the dreadful meg z 399 which had. A straight up childish bios! Bios is not the place to get all artsy and fancy stick to lists and columns and rows simple straight forward ASU s hit it on the head! I suspect gigabytes the same?
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Daniel
Theory on nVidia's full lineup super refresh: I believe they found a hardware flaw, that while not affecting a large number of dies, required a manufacturing change to address properly, hence the updated CUDA core counts and RAM. Additionally, they found they needed to price the entire lineup better for a price/performance competition, due to AMD's 5700 cards. I'm a victim of the RTX 2070 accelerated hardware glitch, that requires a custom resolution as a workaround. I was lucky to get my card at basically 1/2 price, but this was ALSO days before the SUPER launch.
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Theory on nVidia's full lineup super refresh: I believe they found a hardware flaw, that while not affecting a large number of dies, required a manufacturing change to address properly, hence the updated CUDA core counts and RAM. Additionally, they found they needed to price the entire lineup better for a price/performance competition, due to AMD's 5700 cards. I'm a victim of the RTX 2070 accelerated hardware glitch, that requires a custom resolution as a workaround. I was lucky to get my card at basically 1/2 price, but this was ALSO days before the SUPER launch.
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Richard
Because the 5700 XT is an awesome card. It's what a lot of us want. We don't see utility is another gimmick from nVIDIA (Ray tracing. The value proposition is also acceptable. 100 less than the 2070 Super. And we've mostly all bought an AMD system (CPU, Motherboard) and want to keep it all in the family (Mindshare. That's why I watch those videos. I ended up buying the Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT over an eVGA 2070 I had been looking at for months but couldn't pull the trigger (underwhelming performance but the price was high.
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Because the 5700 XT is an awesome card. It's what a lot of us want. We don't see utility is another gimmick from nVIDIA (Ray tracing. The value proposition is also acceptable. 100 less than the 2070 Super. And we've mostly all bought an AMD system (CPU, Motherboard) and want to keep it all in the family (Mindshare. That's why I watch those videos. I ended up buying the Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT over an eVGA 2070 I had been looking at for months but couldn't pull the trigger (underwhelming performance but the price was high.
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The
Wait shouldn't what is shown as ZEN 3 actually be ZEN 2+. I mean much like the 2000 series Ryzens where just more optimized 1000 series chips (therefore called Zen +. Wouldn't the 4000 series Ryzen just be the 3000 series with better optimization of that tech? They are sticking with the same chip size so why call it a new full new generation when it's more just the same stuff after they have figured out how to better use it?
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Wait shouldn't what is shown as ZEN 3 actually be ZEN 2+. I mean much like the 2000 series Ryzens where just more optimized 1000 series chips (therefore called Zen +. Wouldn't the 4000 series Ryzen just be the 3000 series with better optimization of that tech? They are sticking with the same chip size so why call it a new full new generation when it's more just the same stuff after they have figured out how to better use it?
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Lucian
Does the BIOS update for Zen 2, affect the 2000 series too? Because my 2700X doesn't quite want to boost. I have the first BIOS update for Zen 2, agesa combo 1. 0. 0. 1. What is a good program for CPU stress test? I used Prime95 for it, and it wasn't doing anything really, and the temps stayed low too, on air cooling. I tested with both power profiles, High and Balanced. : Mobo is X370, 16 power phases. :)
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Does the BIOS update for Zen 2, affect the 2000 series too? Because my 2700X doesn't quite want to boost. I have the first BIOS update for Zen 2, agesa combo 1. 0. 0. 1. What is a good program for CPU stress test? I used Prime95 for it, and it wasn't doing anything really, and the temps stayed low too, on air cooling. I tested with both power profiles, High and Balanced. : Mobo is X370, 16 power phases. :)
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Paul
I do wonder what is the point of Navi workstation when they don't have RTX/Tensor/CUDA cores? Most 3D software I use only take advantage of Nvidia tech, hell a consumer RTX 2060 would beat the hell out of Nvidia's Pascal-based multi-thousand dollar workstation cards because they don't have any RTX cores while programs like Substance Painter now uses RTX to accelerate baking.
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I do wonder what is the point of Navi workstation when they don't have RTX/Tensor/CUDA cores? Most 3D software I use only take advantage of Nvidia tech, hell a consumer RTX 2060 would beat the hell out of Nvidia's Pascal-based multi-thousand dollar workstation cards because they don't have any RTX cores while programs like Substance Painter now uses RTX to accelerate baking.
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Dana
Intel and Nvidia might be in trouble as far as Mindshare is concerned ATM. AMD are just constantly in the news with positive public perception with great new board partner GPU products and interesting rumors on new CPUs and its been this way for months while its mostly quiet on Intel and Nvidias front. Even the bad press regarding target boost clocks couldn't bump momentum
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Intel and Nvidia might be in trouble as far as Mindshare is concerned ATM. AMD are just constantly in the news with positive public perception with great new board partner GPU products and interesting rumors on new CPUs and its been this way for months while its mostly quiet on Intel and Nvidias front. Even the bad press regarding target boost clocks couldn't bump momentum
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johnm2012
6 GHz RAM? Or is it actually 6 GT/s RAM, since DDR shifts data on both edges of the clock pulse. I use DDR4-3200, which is clocked at 1600 MHz, so are we talking about DDR4-12000 clocked at 6000 MHz or, as I suspect, DDR4-6000 clocked at 3000 MHz? Edit: Yes, the text on screen at 16: 25 confirms that the clock was 3 GHz, not 6 GHz.
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6 GHz RAM? Or is it actually 6 GT/s RAM, since DDR shifts data on both edges of the clock pulse. I use DDR4-3200, which is clocked at 1600 MHz, so are we talking about DDR4-12000 clocked at 6000 MHz or, as I suspect, DDR4-6000 clocked at 3000 MHz? Edit: Yes, the text on screen at 16: 25 confirms that the clock was 3 GHz, not 6 GHz.
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