HW News - New GPU Competitor, ASUS RX 7900 XTX, 2-Slot RTX 4090 Blower
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Date: 2022-11-10
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gamersnexus
re: license key in a jewel case
I moved around the time steam started to tighten their deathgrip on the gaming industry. new home, new pc, not much else to set up tbh, so I went to a big store to get a new game to bridge the time until the internet got running. now, imagine me shouting oh fck off at pretty much every game I was interested in because it said needs internet connection, needs steam account . I mean at least there was a fine print stating that, I guess? a week later www was running and my fingers itched enough to give that new Civ 5 a try. I checked out that steam thing and figured I had no chance to get by it in the long run, I could have bought it on the webpage right there and then, but 'hey' I thought 'I always bought Civ boxed, they always had goodies, let's buy top shelf'...
oh ygbfkm! DVD with steamclient.msi and license.txt only, in a jewel case with a note on how to install steam in place of a booklet, and everything else in the box was only to hold that.
but at least today we don't have to buy bugfixes with a gamer-mag, we get to buy them with the DLCs...
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re: license key in a jewel case
I moved around the time steam started to tighten their deathgrip on the gaming industry. new home, new pc, not much else to set up tbh, so I went to a big store to get a new game to bridge the time until the internet got running. now, imagine me shouting oh fck off at pretty much every game I was interested in because it said needs internet connection, needs steam account . I mean at least there was a fine print stating that, I guess? a week later www was running and my fingers itched enough to give that new Civ 5 a try. I checked out that steam thing and figured I had no chance to get by it in the long run, I could have bought it on the webpage right there and then, but 'hey' I thought 'I always bought Civ boxed, they always had goodies, let's buy top shelf'...
oh ygbfkm! DVD with steamclient.msi and license.txt only, in a jewel case with a note on how to install steam in place of a booklet, and everything else in the box was only to hold that.
but at least today we don't have to buy bugfixes with a gamer-mag, we get to buy them with the DLCs...
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MISTER
Interestingly, I would actually be interested in a blower style 4090. Now hear me out.
The 4090 is the best binned variant of the GA bases from Nvidia, and I already don't like how far the card is pushed in terms of wattage and would likely undervolt it anyways to around 250-300w max, as tests have shown it still retains a significant portion of its peak performance even at such low power use. With this also comes a cheaper-to-manufacture heatsink because it doesn't need to be built to handle north of 500 watts, so the card could in theory be built at a cheaper price point than the founders variant.
So the result 'could' be this:
- A cheaper-than-founders 4090
- Draws much less power
- Has much smaller case footprint
- Still has beastly performance
That's honestly what I'd be looking for in a high-end gpu for mixed gaming and professional workloads. The Nvidia pro cards are just a joke unless you have very specific large-scale enterprise needs, and the regular 4090 is overtuned and overpriced anyways.
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Interestingly, I would actually be interested in a blower style 4090. Now hear me out.
The 4090 is the best binned variant of the GA bases from Nvidia, and I already don't like how far the card is pushed in terms of wattage and would likely undervolt it anyways to around 250-300w max, as tests have shown it still retains a significant portion of its peak performance even at such low power use. With this also comes a cheaper-to-manufacture heatsink because it doesn't need to be built to handle north of 500 watts, so the card could in theory be built at a cheaper price point than the founders variant.
So the result 'could' be this:
- A cheaper-than-founders 4090
- Draws much less power
- Has much smaller case footprint
- Still has beastly performance
That's honestly what I'd be looking for in a high-end gpu for mixed gaming and professional workloads. The Nvidia pro cards are just a joke unless you have very specific large-scale enterprise needs, and the regular 4090 is overtuned and overpriced anyways.
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Dividion
I put an 11in laptop LCD screen inside a mini ITX case a few months ago just to see how it'd turn out. I printed a nice 3d bracket for it that's sized for the case, so it's not as janky as the one here. The original intention was to display AIDA64 info, but it works just fine as a standalone display also. 11in replacement LCDs are really cheap too (about 30, and then 10 for the LCD controller). There's no RGB to show off inside the case, which gets incredibly boring anyway, so having a screen is infinitely more useful. The Snowblind case was ahead of its time and most people probably don't know it exists. I've also built a 3d printed replacement front cover for the Fractal Pop case's 5.25in bays that holds a 5.5in IPS touch screen from Waveshare. It's overkill at 1440p, but really cool, and can also interact with the PC. That was a lot more expensive with a total cost almost as much as the case itself.
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I put an 11in laptop LCD screen inside a mini ITX case a few months ago just to see how it'd turn out. I printed a nice 3d bracket for it that's sized for the case, so it's not as janky as the one here. The original intention was to display AIDA64 info, but it works just fine as a standalone display also. 11in replacement LCDs are really cheap too (about 30, and then 10 for the LCD controller). There's no RGB to show off inside the case, which gets incredibly boring anyway, so having a screen is infinitely more useful. The Snowblind case was ahead of its time and most people probably don't know it exists. I've also built a 3d printed replacement front cover for the Fractal Pop case's 5.25in bays that holds a 5.5in IPS touch screen from Waveshare. It's overkill at 1440p, but really cool, and can also interact with the PC. That was a lot more expensive with a total cost almost as much as the case itself.
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nexviper
I currently have a single monitor and my case on my desk with no room for another monitor so I guess I am technically the target market for the ASRock product.
Having a monitor on the side of the case would be one possible solution for adding a second display, the other being just put the case on the floor and a second monitor on the desk.
While I have the room to make that choice some people may not, cramped office cubicles were the first thing to spring to mind but really space could be a premium for all types of reasons and users.
What it also made me think of was the pictures of internet cafes in places like the Philippines where the PCs only display was embedded into/mounted on the case to save space and allow for more computers in a small room back to back or flush against a wall on a thin desk/shelf.
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I currently have a single monitor and my case on my desk with no room for another monitor so I guess I am technically the target market for the ASRock product.
Having a monitor on the side of the case would be one possible solution for adding a second display, the other being just put the case on the floor and a second monitor on the desk.
While I have the room to make that choice some people may not, cramped office cubicles were the first thing to spring to mind but really space could be a premium for all types of reasons and users.
What it also made me think of was the pictures of internet cafes in places like the Philippines where the PCs only display was embedded into/mounted on the case to save space and allow for more computers in a small room back to back or flush against a wall on a thin desk/shelf.
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Scott
I'd like a small side monitor, but I'd want it outside the case, to be more the size of a smartphone, and to mount it to the wall next to my case. I'd use it to display metrics (FPS, GPU temp, perf cap code, etc). I use pitikapp for that now, on my phone, but it's a pain to boot it up every time and I keep having bugs like MSI afterburner (which I use to get some of the metrics) close every time I start a game. A 6 or 7 inch panel to show those metric I choose, all the time, would be spiffy.
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I'd like a small side monitor, but I'd want it outside the case, to be more the size of a smartphone, and to mount it to the wall next to my case. I'd use it to display metrics (FPS, GPU temp, perf cap code, etc). I use pitikapp for that now, on my phone, but it's a pain to boot it up every time and I keep having bugs like MSI afterburner (which I use to get some of the metrics) close every time I start a game. A 6 or 7 inch panel to show those metric I choose, all the time, would be spiffy.
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Todd
Intel used to make discrete graphics cards a long time ago and have never stopped doing integrated graphics. You forgot S3. I had one in a system before I got my Voodoo3 2000. It does hardware, but it was only a really limited version of Direct X though. Most games did not run in hardware mode, like Quake 2. Also IBM used to make graphics engines for consoles I thought and used to make some CPUs, but never released a stand alone graphics card I think. Yes I am old (53)... :P
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Intel used to make discrete graphics cards a long time ago and have never stopped doing integrated graphics. You forgot S3. I had one in a system before I got my Voodoo3 2000. It does hardware, but it was only a really limited version of Direct X though. Most games did not run in hardware mode, like Quake 2. Also IBM used to make graphics engines for consoles I thought and used to make some CPUs, but never released a stand alone graphics card I think. Yes I am old (53)... :P
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RustyRetroBasement
All these games that can only be bought online and run with active servers and are not available on physical media anymore will be lost and forgotten in time
Not like with games from the good old days where you can actually stumble over a box that contains a game that you can actually play dozens of years later
Such a shame
If I'd be a video game artist I'd be damn angry at my bosses for making my art forgettable
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All these games that can only be bought online and run with active servers and are not available on physical media anymore will be lost and forgotten in time
Not like with games from the good old days where you can actually stumble over a box that contains a game that you can actually play dozens of years later
Such a shame
If I'd be a video game artist I'd be damn angry at my bosses for making my art forgettable
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SergentBoucherie
I was actually looking into mounting a monitor to the side of my case because I am limited in space and would like to run dual monitors again. My case have 2 metal side panels, I don't care about seeing what's inside my computer.
I was thinking of drilling a side panel and adding reinforcement to screw the monitor on it. Never got around to doing it and I will have to buy a new GPU first because my 2080 Super is gone...
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I was actually looking into mounting a monitor to the side of my case because I am limited in space and would like to run dual monitors again. My case have 2 metal side panels, I don't care about seeing what's inside my computer.
I was thinking of drilling a side panel and adding reinforcement to screw the monitor on it. Never got around to doing it and I will have to buy a new GPU first because my 2080 Super is gone...
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Hsanrb
4:00 Just wait until someone tells Steve how much Gran Turismo 7 content you get if you try to play it offline before starting any of the cafe menus, license tests, or any portion of the single player progression modes... like 12 cars, in single or Time Trial mode... at least you get all the tracks.
PS: If the game goes down for maintenance, you can backdoor your entire garage... but yeah... pretty cool future of gaming.
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4:00 Just wait until someone tells Steve how much Gran Turismo 7 content you get if you try to play it offline before starting any of the cafe menus, license tests, or any portion of the single player progression modes... like 12 cars, in single or Time Trial mode... at least you get all the tracks.
PS: If the game goes down for maintenance, you can backdoor your entire garage... but yeah... pretty cool future of gaming.
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SomeGuy
the side panel monitor seems like it would be nice for the obsessive type that like to always monitor their temps/voltages/clocks while doing literally anything. Though it also seems limited in cases that it makes sense to use it in, the Lian Li lancool series with the glass panel on the back side and panels inside to cover your spaghetti wiring comes to mind but not much else.
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the side panel monitor seems like it would be nice for the obsessive type that like to always monitor their temps/voltages/clocks while doing literally anything. Though it also seems limited in cases that it makes sense to use it in, the Lian Li lancool series with the glass panel on the back side and panels inside to cover your spaghetti wiring comes to mind but not much else.
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Anthony
My prediction for China's GPU - it's going to look flashy but be bottom barrel in terms of performance, or perhaps not even function (giving what is known about QA in some Chinese factories). It still baffles my mind though. 30 + years of working on GPUs and electronics for other companies and they seem wholly allergic to harnessing any of that knowledge for innovation.
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My prediction for China's GPU - it's going to look flashy but be bottom barrel in terms of performance, or perhaps not even function (giving what is known about QA in some Chinese factories). It still baffles my mind though. 30 + years of working on GPUs and electronics for other companies and they seem wholly allergic to harnessing any of that knowledge for innovation.
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Chris
the console are just catching up to where the pc was a decade ago. Next up is a cardboard shape disk in the box that just has the code on, then that will go and it will be download only. Oh and even though there is now no physical product don't expect the prices of games to fall. All of that extra profit goes straight to management for the next yacht payment
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the console are just catching up to where the pc was a decade ago. Next up is a cardboard shape disk in the box that just has the code on, then that will go and it will be download only. Oh and even though there is now no physical product don't expect the prices of games to fall. All of that extra profit goes straight to management for the next yacht payment
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TJ
Look, at this point the GPU should just be a socketed SOC like the CPU and be compatible with CPU coolers. This whole PCI Express multi slot approach stopped being cool 1.663 slots ago.
The PCI Express standard wasn't built for this! The logical conclusion of what NVIDIA's doing is that by the 60XX series we'll be slotting our CPUS into our graphics cards.
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Look, at this point the GPU should just be a socketed SOC like the CPU and be compatible with CPU coolers. This whole PCI Express multi slot approach stopped being cool 1.663 slots ago.
The PCI Express standard wasn't built for this! The logical conclusion of what NVIDIA's doing is that by the 60XX series we'll be slotting our CPUS into our graphics cards.
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ss
Intel might be a giant company but the question is do they have good engineers to put on the GPU project and clearly the answer is no. Intel (like Microsoft, and for the same reasons) was hollowed out over the last few decades. Not many great people still there. It's like the post office or U.S. Army, just a big bureaucracy that rewards mediocrity.
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Intel might be a giant company but the question is do they have good engineers to put on the GPU project and clearly the answer is no. Intel (like Microsoft, and for the same reasons) was hollowed out over the last few decades. Not many great people still there. It's like the post office or U.S. Army, just a big bureaucracy that rewards mediocrity.
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