NVIDIA s Lost It: RTX 4080 16GB GPU Review & Benchmarks
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Date: 2022-11-15
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Johnny
It is funny to me to see so many people complain about the price. YOU PEOPLE WHO PAID INSANE PRICES FOR GPUs TWO YEARS AGO ARE WHY THESE CARDS ARE SO EXPENSIVE NOW!!! Did you think that Jensen was just going to sit back and do nothing as he watched 10 GB 3080s sell for 2,500 for more than a year?!
I accidentally got my name on EVGA's queue list for a FTW3 3090 twice when the queue first opened up (I had forgotten that I had signed up with my old email address and when I got on the queue with my new email address, I ended up on the queue twice). I bought both cards for just under 4,000 after shipping and tax. I sold ONE of those 3090s brand new and unopened for... 3,500. LOL!
Now that was basically at the absolute peak of prices, and they crashed just a few weeks later...but still. I almost paid for ALL of the 3090 that I am still using right now by selling the second one. And then I DID pay for it entirely by re-selling the 3060 and 3070 that I also got through the queue. I sold the 3070 for more than this 4080's MSRP and that was AFTER the first price crash happened. I only made about 400 on that card, but I couldn't help it because that is just where I ended up in the queue. If I had gotten it earlier, I would've sold it for even more money.
So what are you guys all complaining about? Every single person who bought a new GPU over 2021 and 2022 for insane prices are the ones who caused these laughable Nvidia MSRPs. Although to me, the 4090 is only 100 more than the Founder's 3090 and that actually makes it a bargain. My EVGA 3090 was just over 1,900 with shipping and tax, so even at 1,600 I feel like I am getting a deal...if I can ever get my hands on a Founder's Edition 4090.
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It is funny to me to see so many people complain about the price. YOU PEOPLE WHO PAID INSANE PRICES FOR GPUs TWO YEARS AGO ARE WHY THESE CARDS ARE SO EXPENSIVE NOW!!! Did you think that Jensen was just going to sit back and do nothing as he watched 10 GB 3080s sell for 2,500 for more than a year?!
I accidentally got my name on EVGA's queue list for a FTW3 3090 twice when the queue first opened up (I had forgotten that I had signed up with my old email address and when I got on the queue with my new email address, I ended up on the queue twice). I bought both cards for just under 4,000 after shipping and tax. I sold ONE of those 3090s brand new and unopened for... 3,500. LOL!
Now that was basically at the absolute peak of prices, and they crashed just a few weeks later...but still. I almost paid for ALL of the 3090 that I am still using right now by selling the second one. And then I DID pay for it entirely by re-selling the 3060 and 3070 that I also got through the queue. I sold the 3070 for more than this 4080's MSRP and that was AFTER the first price crash happened. I only made about 400 on that card, but I couldn't help it because that is just where I ended up in the queue. If I had gotten it earlier, I would've sold it for even more money.
So what are you guys all complaining about? Every single person who bought a new GPU over 2021 and 2022 for insane prices are the ones who caused these laughable Nvidia MSRPs. Although to me, the 4090 is only 100 more than the Founder's 3090 and that actually makes it a bargain. My EVGA 3090 was just over 1,900 with shipping and tax, so even at 1,600 I feel like I am getting a deal...if I can ever get my hands on a Founder's Edition 4090.
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Dark
This is what I don't get. Let's just pretend for a moment that the 3080 was actually a 3080 Ti, so the 3080 for 1,119 . Would the value be better?
Sure, the performance per dollar is the same between the 3080 and 4080. But you could also look at it as: the 3080 was a outlier, no? Same with the 1080 Ti at the time. People drew all sorts of comparisons between the 2080 Super and 1080 Ti, for only being 10% more performance for the same price.
I'm not trying to defend Nvidia here, but I'm also trying to push for: We should have a standard calculation for price/performance and determine value per-generation. Just like how you'd calculate acceleration based on velocity, can we not do the same for price/performance, and see the acceleration of value and how it deviates over time?
Like really, at the end of the day, the SKU numbers don't matter. What matter is the actual price/performance numbers. So how come so many people are talking about it but not actually providing a graph showing performance per dollar based on MSRP. Or even better, an extra graph that shows the current average market price for new, as well as used? If we are worried about value, why not actually spend the time to do market data gathering to show people the current best value?
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This is what I don't get. Let's just pretend for a moment that the 3080 was actually a 3080 Ti, so the 3080 for 1,119 . Would the value be better?
Sure, the performance per dollar is the same between the 3080 and 4080. But you could also look at it as: the 3080 was a outlier, no? Same with the 1080 Ti at the time. People drew all sorts of comparisons between the 2080 Super and 1080 Ti, for only being 10% more performance for the same price.
I'm not trying to defend Nvidia here, but I'm also trying to push for: We should have a standard calculation for price/performance and determine value per-generation. Just like how you'd calculate acceleration based on velocity, can we not do the same for price/performance, and see the acceleration of value and how it deviates over time?
Like really, at the end of the day, the SKU numbers don't matter. What matter is the actual price/performance numbers. So how come so many people are talking about it but not actually providing a graph showing performance per dollar based on MSRP. Or even better, an extra graph that shows the current average market price for new, as well as used? If we are worried about value, why not actually spend the time to do market data gathering to show people the current best value?
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David
Why not include VR titles in these reviews? I totally agree with the stagnation comments when applied to 2D games when you're just going from 150FPS to 200FPS (or even 60FPS to 100FPS). Is it really worth it to pay 1200 for a new card when your already at good enough framerates. But in VR going from 60FPS to 90FPS (or even 30FPS to 60FPS in MSFS) can be absolutely worth paying 1200 since it makes an easily visible, practical, and even playable vs. unplayable difference. In fact, there's almost no reason for me to upgrade from my 2080Ti to a 4080 or 4090 for any of the 2D games I typically play because the value proposition just isn't there; however, in VR, the value proposition is judged entirely differently since 90 fps is a critical comfort threshold in VR, and being able to play certain titles at 120 fps would be amazing. So, please, please, please, include VR in future reviews. I realize most people play 2D games, but I suspect that some of the people who benefit the most from these expensive cards (and have the budgets to afford them), are high-end VR enthusiasts like me and would be interested is seeing at least a couple VR benchmarks thrown in here.
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Why not include VR titles in these reviews? I totally agree with the stagnation comments when applied to 2D games when you're just going from 150FPS to 200FPS (or even 60FPS to 100FPS). Is it really worth it to pay 1200 for a new card when your already at good enough framerates. But in VR going from 60FPS to 90FPS (or even 30FPS to 60FPS in MSFS) can be absolutely worth paying 1200 since it makes an easily visible, practical, and even playable vs. unplayable difference. In fact, there's almost no reason for me to upgrade from my 2080Ti to a 4080 or 4090 for any of the 2D games I typically play because the value proposition just isn't there; however, in VR, the value proposition is judged entirely differently since 90 fps is a critical comfort threshold in VR, and being able to play certain titles at 120 fps would be amazing. So, please, please, please, include VR in future reviews. I realize most people play 2D games, but I suspect that some of the people who benefit the most from these expensive cards (and have the budgets to afford them), are high-end VR enthusiasts like me and would be interested is seeing at least a couple VR benchmarks thrown in here.
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AmbroReality
Remember, for those who are not from USA, the price will jump way higher then you expect. In eastern EU ( though i think also similar to other parts of EU with some minimal changes), revealed average prices for 4080 16gb are already between 1800eur to 2000 eur. For 4090 its 2200 to 2400eur ... not even talking about the low stock. These prices are insane. Even if you wait a year for price drop when 30s get all sold out, i doubt they would drop by 50% were they should be from the start.
As others have said, its pointless to buy these new gpus, when you could get new 3080 ti or 3090 for half the price and still run any game at 1440p on max or 4k in high (depending on each title). You would just be throwing your money away towards unhealthy product priced by greed.
For those who do not care about price thanks to their big wallets, they would not even watch these bench videos, since they would get the cards just because they are newest ones.
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Remember, for those who are not from USA, the price will jump way higher then you expect. In eastern EU ( though i think also similar to other parts of EU with some minimal changes), revealed average prices for 4080 16gb are already between 1800eur to 2000 eur. For 4090 its 2200 to 2400eur ... not even talking about the low stock. These prices are insane. Even if you wait a year for price drop when 30s get all sold out, i doubt they would drop by 50% were they should be from the start.
As others have said, its pointless to buy these new gpus, when you could get new 3080 ti or 3090 for half the price and still run any game at 1440p on max or 4k in high (depending on each title). You would just be throwing your money away towards unhealthy product priced by greed.
For those who do not care about price thanks to their big wallets, they would not even watch these bench videos, since they would get the cards just because they are newest ones.
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David
I just can't wrap my head around the idea of debating value propositions on luxury items.
I'm an upper lower class kind of guy. I work a 40 hour job and I build computers on the side. I will never buy a 4080 or 4090. Not because I couldn't afford to, I could, I simply won't for the same reason I don't buy a Ferrari. It's a luxury item. It has no practical use or value, it's just for fun, and the amount I'm willing to spend on fun has a limit, and high end GPUs and sports cars are well past that limit.
I've accepted that. So when I see a review like this one, I think cool, looks like fun, out of my price range, but cool. But I look at the comments and it's outrage like someone is withholding affordable medical care or something that actually matters. I just don't get it.
Edit: BTW, love that used EVGA GPUs for comparison. Lol.
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I just can't wrap my head around the idea of debating value propositions on luxury items.
I'm an upper lower class kind of guy. I work a 40 hour job and I build computers on the side. I will never buy a 4080 or 4090. Not because I couldn't afford to, I could, I simply won't for the same reason I don't buy a Ferrari. It's a luxury item. It has no practical use or value, it's just for fun, and the amount I'm willing to spend on fun has a limit, and high end GPUs and sports cars are well past that limit.
I've accepted that. So when I see a review like this one, I think cool, looks like fun, out of my price range, but cool. But I look at the comments and it's outrage like someone is withholding affordable medical care or something that actually matters. I just don't get it.
Edit: BTW, love that used EVGA GPUs for comparison. Lol.
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Nuclear
The BIG problem is CUDA.
Gamers should avoid nVidia out of principle if not out of ridiculous cost. AMD looks like it will be great for gaming at much better prices and I'd rather pick an Intel, a F-ing INTEL, than nVidia right now. Here's the BIG BIG BUT, though - CUDA. Productivity based essentially requires CUDA at this point and AMD can't make CUDA cores.
The market either needs to split between productivity and gaming REALLY or AMD is going to have to come up with a productivity based hardware that can force software to implement their hardware that compares with CUDA. Without that, nVidia is going to keep being able to get away from this. They AREN'T selling to gamers anymore. They don't care about gamers buying their cards. They are selling to producers.
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The BIG problem is CUDA.
Gamers should avoid nVidia out of principle if not out of ridiculous cost. AMD looks like it will be great for gaming at much better prices and I'd rather pick an Intel, a F-ing INTEL, than nVidia right now. Here's the BIG BIG BUT, though - CUDA. Productivity based essentially requires CUDA at this point and AMD can't make CUDA cores.
The market either needs to split between productivity and gaming REALLY or AMD is going to have to come up with a productivity based hardware that can force software to implement their hardware that compares with CUDA. Without that, nVidia is going to keep being able to get away from this. They AREN'T selling to gamers anymore. They don't care about gamers buying their cards. They are selling to producers.
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Dieter
I think the misstep for NVIDIA was calling the 16GB variant the 4080. If they launched it as the 4080 Ti it would have been just expensive, but it would have compared favorably to the 3080 Ti at the same exact price point. 30% higher Performance, 4 GB more VRAM for the same price. TBD how the 4080 12GB/4070 Ti will compare vs the 3080, but launching it at 800 to 850 MSRP for something like 25%-35% increased performance and another 2GB of VRAM, wouldn't have been incredible value like the 3080 vs 2080 but it wouldn't have been such an obvious cash grab. They got greedy and wanted to move the entire stack's price points up. Just bad marketing and PR.
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I think the misstep for NVIDIA was calling the 16GB variant the 4080. If they launched it as the 4080 Ti it would have been just expensive, but it would have compared favorably to the 3080 Ti at the same exact price point. 30% higher Performance, 4 GB more VRAM for the same price. TBD how the 4080 12GB/4070 Ti will compare vs the 3080, but launching it at 800 to 850 MSRP for something like 25%-35% increased performance and another 2GB of VRAM, wouldn't have been incredible value like the 3080 vs 2080 but it wouldn't have been such an obvious cash grab. They got greedy and wanted to move the entire stack's price points up. Just bad marketing and PR.
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Hal
In your effort to stay unbiased, I think you went a little too easy on Nvidia. You can just look at Jensen's face and know where he is at. He is Ngreedia. Doesnt give a hoot about pricing unless it stacks favorably for Nvidia. I really hope they fall flat on their F'ing face in the next few months. They will not get a dam penny of my money on this new build.
I saw a sales chart yesterday morning of the actual Global Sales of the 4090. Its on a slide downward for the last month. It was down to 45 a day Globally and dropping further from that. Pricing is going to put Nvidia out of business.
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In your effort to stay unbiased, I think you went a little too easy on Nvidia. You can just look at Jensen's face and know where he is at. He is Ngreedia. Doesnt give a hoot about pricing unless it stacks favorably for Nvidia. I really hope they fall flat on their F'ing face in the next few months. They will not get a dam penny of my money on this new build.
I saw a sales chart yesterday morning of the actual Global Sales of the 4090. Its on a slide downward for the last month. It was down to 45 a day Globally and dropping further from that. Pricing is going to put Nvidia out of business.
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marine6680
While we don t have any official numbers, the extrapolated numbers for the RX 7900 XTX are promising.
With possible rasterization performance coming within a few FPS of the 4090.
AMD is claiming the 7900 XTX is a 4080 competitor And it looks like it will beat it out in rasterized workloads. It is possible that the XT variant will likely be close to the 4080 in rasterization, given the specs.
Ray tracing is where the AMD cards fall short, with the XTX maybe getting close to the 4080 at best. The XT will fall short
Still the AMD cards are significantly cheaper.
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While we don t have any official numbers, the extrapolated numbers for the RX 7900 XTX are promising.
With possible rasterization performance coming within a few FPS of the 4090.
AMD is claiming the 7900 XTX is a 4080 competitor And it looks like it will beat it out in rasterized workloads. It is possible that the XT variant will likely be close to the 4080 in rasterization, given the specs.
Ray tracing is where the AMD cards fall short, with the XTX maybe getting close to the 4080 at best. The XT will fall short
Still the AMD cards are significantly cheaper.
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Paul
Steve with the wisdom. I built a new system with a 5800X and 3070 Ti and it does everything I want with room to improve. I refuse to invest in Intel CPUs until / unless they move from 2 CPUs per motherboard revision and AMD's ridiculous prices, DDR being costly and the AM5 boards costing what they do mean I will not be upgrading to a 7000-series CPU and board. If anything I might get a 5800X3D in a year or so when the price is lower but a full rebuild won't be for at least 3 years for me. I'd rather lower graphics settings / resolution than pay these prices.
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Steve with the wisdom. I built a new system with a 5800X and 3070 Ti and it does everything I want with room to improve. I refuse to invest in Intel CPUs until / unless they move from 2 CPUs per motherboard revision and AMD's ridiculous prices, DDR being costly and the AM5 boards costing what they do mean I will not be upgrading to a 7000-series CPU and board. If anything I might get a 5800X3D in a year or so when the price is lower but a full rebuild won't be for at least 3 years for me. I'd rather lower graphics settings / resolution than pay these prices.
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BigKevSexyMan
When you're talking about inflation it's VERY important to account for how wages have kept pace with said inflation. Current wages(so far) have not caught up with inflation so the inflation adjustment is somewhat moot. Think about it, if inflation is going up over the year, and you're still making the same raw dollars you did last year, then these cards are even more expensive for you! You're going to be spending more of your money towards more important things (rent, food, etc) and will probably have less to spend of luxury goods like GPUs.
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When you're talking about inflation it's VERY important to account for how wages have kept pace with said inflation. Current wages(so far) have not caught up with inflation so the inflation adjustment is somewhat moot. Think about it, if inflation is going up over the year, and you're still making the same raw dollars you did last year, then these cards are even more expensive for you! You're going to be spending more of your money towards more important things (rent, food, etc) and will probably have less to spend of luxury goods like GPUs.
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Joseph
I'd been saying nvidia would drop the price on this thing to maybe 950 to compete with AMD and to use the mental manipulation strategy called Anchoring to make people THINK they were getting a 1200 GPU for 950!!! But no, they don't have to. People apparently don't mind getting screwed again and again. Learned helplessness, they can't help themselves. A 71% price increase? Ehh, whatever, it's nvidia! Nobody who's anybody doesn't just buy the latest nvidia card, right?
The beatings shall continue apparently indefinitely.
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I'd been saying nvidia would drop the price on this thing to maybe 950 to compete with AMD and to use the mental manipulation strategy called Anchoring to make people THINK they were getting a 1200 GPU for 950!!! But no, they don't have to. People apparently don't mind getting screwed again and again. Learned helplessness, they can't help themselves. A 71% price increase? Ehh, whatever, it's nvidia! Nobody who's anybody doesn't just buy the latest nvidia card, right?
The beatings shall continue apparently indefinitely.
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Ken
I have to have an Nvidia card due to needing CUDA. But thanks to all those etherium miners dumping cards I picked up a pair of perfectly usable 2080 Supers that had been running undervolted so they should be good for quite a while (with an NVLink they are just as good for my needs as a 3080 and cost 1/3rd as much). By the time they give out the AMD CUDA emulators should be more than good enough. If Nvidia doesn't get their pricing under control they're going to force even prosumers out of their market.
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I have to have an Nvidia card due to needing CUDA. But thanks to all those etherium miners dumping cards I picked up a pair of perfectly usable 2080 Supers that had been running undervolted so they should be good for quite a while (with an NVLink they are just as good for my needs as a 3080 and cost 1/3rd as much). By the time they give out the AMD CUDA emulators should be more than good enough. If Nvidia doesn't get their pricing under control they're going to force even prosumers out of their market.
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Marty
What matters is it's a good card. That means I want it. Price helps decide if I buy it. There is no competition against it right now and production is just starting. Considering the current stock of 3XXX series cards and the lack of competition, there's no reason to price it any lower. If at some point they have reason to lower the price, and they can afford to do so, they will likely drop the price. I'm glad it's good but overpriced rather than mediocre and overpriced.
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What matters is it's a good card. That means I want it. Price helps decide if I buy it. There is no competition against it right now and production is just starting. Considering the current stock of 3XXX series cards and the lack of competition, there's no reason to price it any lower. If at some point they have reason to lower the price, and they can afford to do so, they will likely drop the price. I'm glad it's good but overpriced rather than mediocre and overpriced.
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onslaught147
You guys really need to benchmark VR. You need 90FPS minimum and everything has to be rendered twice, once for each eye. 120fps is better for comfort and 144fps is best. I have a 3080 with a 7700x and it's still not enough to get 144fps in all games. You complain that all the GPUs are good enough, but that's only true for flat gaming. For VR we still need more powerful hardware to get everything at max graphics with 144 fps.
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You guys really need to benchmark VR. You need 90FPS minimum and everything has to be rendered twice, once for each eye. 120fps is better for comfort and 144fps is best. I have a 3080 with a 7700x and it's still not enough to get 144fps in all games. You complain that all the GPUs are good enough, but that's only true for flat gaming. For VR we still need more powerful hardware to get everything at max graphics with 144 fps.
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