EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 Tear-Down & Disassembly: A Major Loss
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Date: 2022-11-08
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44R0Ndin
Of course, the only 4090 that has the power connector somewhere sane, is the only one that will never be mass produced.
I've been an Nvidia user most of the time I've been building PC's, all the way back to my first serious GPU for a computer of my own being an 8600GTS.
Now? I'm dropping them like sack of rotten potatoes.
The 40 series cards are a total train wreck. 600 watts for a GPU? Go kick rocks with bare feet, that's a space heater that sort of does computation on the side, not a proper computing device. What did they do, go back to using bipolar junction transistors? No? Then how in the heck did they get this thing to push 600 watts when it takes next to no energy to make a MOSFET switch? I can rub my wool socks on the floor of a polyester carpet and get a MOSFET to turn on or off without even touching the gate. The static induction alone conveys enough energy.
So how do you get 600 watts from all that with the other fact that the 40 series isn't better than the 30 series by as much as the 30 series was better than the 20 series.
Seriously Nvidia, get your crap together. The 50 series better use like 300 watts and not break the bank. I don't care if that means it doesn't perform any better than the 40 series, I'll gladly take same performance without a lifestyle-altering power consumption thank you very much.
I bought an RTX 3070 Ti for 1200 during the shortages. I'm still willing to pay that much if I get a 3090 Ti. But if I gotta pay even more than that to get a 4090 that is just gonna sit there making noise and heat and not cranking out the computations (per second, per watt, and per dollar), then I'm gonna see if AMD's driver situation has improved next time I need to upgrade (which is gonna be in like 3-5 years by the way, so Nvidia has plenty of time to fire their CEO and get their head screwed on straight before then).
That new AMD card is looking FANTASTIC by the way. 300 watts, and probably runs games just as good as a 4090? Sign me up. And they're not paywalling the VRAM amount, which is nice, because I remember when video cards occasionally had literal sockets for extra vram chips (yes that was in the '90s, and yes the cards had an overall total of like 2 megabytes of vram, but that's besides the point, the socket was THERE so you could UPGRADE it, that's my whole point).
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Of course, the only 4090 that has the power connector somewhere sane, is the only one that will never be mass produced.
I've been an Nvidia user most of the time I've been building PC's, all the way back to my first serious GPU for a computer of my own being an 8600GTS.
Now? I'm dropping them like sack of rotten potatoes.
The 40 series cards are a total train wreck. 600 watts for a GPU? Go kick rocks with bare feet, that's a space heater that sort of does computation on the side, not a proper computing device. What did they do, go back to using bipolar junction transistors? No? Then how in the heck did they get this thing to push 600 watts when it takes next to no energy to make a MOSFET switch? I can rub my wool socks on the floor of a polyester carpet and get a MOSFET to turn on or off without even touching the gate. The static induction alone conveys enough energy.
So how do you get 600 watts from all that with the other fact that the 40 series isn't better than the 30 series by as much as the 30 series was better than the 20 series.
Seriously Nvidia, get your crap together. The 50 series better use like 300 watts and not break the bank. I don't care if that means it doesn't perform any better than the 40 series, I'll gladly take same performance without a lifestyle-altering power consumption thank you very much.
I bought an RTX 3070 Ti for 1200 during the shortages. I'm still willing to pay that much if I get a 3090 Ti. But if I gotta pay even more than that to get a 4090 that is just gonna sit there making noise and heat and not cranking out the computations (per second, per watt, and per dollar), then I'm gonna see if AMD's driver situation has improved next time I need to upgrade (which is gonna be in like 3-5 years by the way, so Nvidia has plenty of time to fire their CEO and get their head screwed on straight before then).
That new AMD card is looking FANTASTIC by the way. 300 watts, and probably runs games just as good as a 4090? Sign me up. And they're not paywalling the VRAM amount, which is nice, because I remember when video cards occasionally had literal sockets for extra vram chips (yes that was in the '90s, and yes the cards had an overall total of like 2 megabytes of vram, but that's besides the point, the socket was THERE so you could UPGRADE it, that's my whole point).
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Tyler
What a shame!
That's easily the best-engineered version of the 4090 I've seen so far. The polymer caps on the backside of the cores, the highend MOSFETS on the V-core even the memory and power phases use the best components when it's not necessary. (Just the sheer volume of high-quality capacitors all over this board which would maybe give you a 1-3% improvement, is thoroughly impressive)
The super dense fin stack and the heat pipe layout to the mindfulness of the assembly/disassembly process are just amazing!
EVGA clearly has a set of principles they stick to when they engineer products with their name on it and when they were faced with either making a sub par product to eek out a profit versus making a product to their standards they chose to walk away, they made a fan out of me!
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What a shame!
That's easily the best-engineered version of the 4090 I've seen so far. The polymer caps on the backside of the cores, the highend MOSFETS on the V-core even the memory and power phases use the best components when it's not necessary. (Just the sheer volume of high-quality capacitors all over this board which would maybe give you a 1-3% improvement, is thoroughly impressive)
The super dense fin stack and the heat pipe layout to the mindfulness of the assembly/disassembly process are just amazing!
EVGA clearly has a set of principles they stick to when they engineer products with their name on it and when they were faced with either making a sub par product to eek out a profit versus making a product to their standards they chose to walk away, they made a fan out of me!
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Zengrath
Sad to see this, just surreal seeing something that will never be made and seeing how far they got in the process before pulling the plug, to the point of actually building some working GPU's. It's also a bit odd going into such an in-depth review of something we'll never be able to buy but i get doing it for historic reasons. This may be a way of saying good buy EVGA one last time from the Graphic Card business and making us wish they still were around. Maybe Nvidia will learn something from this and start treating their partners better but I doubt it. I will certainly give AMD a try on my next build, hadn't gone AMD in a long time and hearing nothing but good things so far about their current hardware and driver support.
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Sad to see this, just surreal seeing something that will never be made and seeing how far they got in the process before pulling the plug, to the point of actually building some working GPU's. It's also a bit odd going into such an in-depth review of something we'll never be able to buy but i get doing it for historic reasons. This may be a way of saying good buy EVGA one last time from the Graphic Card business and making us wish they still were around. Maybe Nvidia will learn something from this and start treating their partners better but I doubt it. I will certainly give AMD a try on my next build, hadn't gone AMD in a long time and hearing nothing but good things so far about their current hardware and driver support.
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stevesquick92
I ve invested (yes invested) my money in to EVGA products for many years. It was such a sad day when they announced they were no longer making GPUs. I and many others I m sure are at a loss when trying to even decide on what current brand they would invest their hard earned dollar in, now. I was sitting on my 1080 ti until the 4 series launched thinking eh I ll just just forego the 3 series and go for the 4 series and damn how regretful I was after never pulling the trigger on the 3090 ti like I had planned on doing when they dropped the prices like mad. So much for waiting. EVGA you are missed.
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I ve invested (yes invested) my money in to EVGA products for many years. It was such a sad day when they announced they were no longer making GPUs. I and many others I m sure are at a loss when trying to even decide on what current brand they would invest their hard earned dollar in, now. I was sitting on my 1080 ti until the 4 series launched thinking eh I ll just just forego the 3 series and go for the 4 series and damn how regretful I was after never pulling the trigger on the 3090 ti like I had planned on doing when they dropped the prices like mad. So much for waiting. EVGA you are missed.
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Silvan
I was going through some stuff from my old builds and realized I have a 650, 960 and then my current 1660Ti all from EVGA. I was planning to get a 3070 and eventually a 4070 before their exit. Knowing that it would have been an exceptionally well crafted card makes their departure hurt even more.
nVidia really needs to treat its partners better, unless their aim is to drive them all away and keep all the profits from sales. But if AMD and eventually Intel keep undercutting them while offering almost the same performance with better efficiency, they'll only learn that lesson the hard way.
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I was going through some stuff from my old builds and realized I have a 650, 960 and then my current 1660Ti all from EVGA. I was planning to get a 3070 and eventually a 4070 before their exit. Knowing that it would have been an exceptionally well crafted card makes their departure hurt even more.
nVidia really needs to treat its partners better, unless their aim is to drive them all away and keep all the profits from sales. But if AMD and eventually Intel keep undercutting them while offering almost the same performance with better efficiency, they'll only learn that lesson the hard way.
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iRdMoose
The title of this video should have been: The RTX 4090 that could have been if Nvidia weren't a bag of d cks. This card makes me weep for what we missed out on, and I fully lay the blame for that sadness at the feet of Nvidia and Jensen because blaming Jensen just works . I hope and pray after seeing this card as a massive extended middle finger to Nvidia, that EVGA decides to take this sort of excellent design over to the AMD side. Maybe it's too late for a 7000 series card, but maybe they can get something together for the 8000 series cards.
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The title of this video should have been: The RTX 4090 that could have been if Nvidia weren't a bag of d cks. This card makes me weep for what we missed out on, and I fully lay the blame for that sadness at the feet of Nvidia and Jensen because blaming Jensen just works . I hope and pray after seeing this card as a massive extended middle finger to Nvidia, that EVGA decides to take this sort of excellent design over to the AMD side. Maybe it's too late for a 7000 series card, but maybe they can get something together for the 8000 series cards.
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PookDaWook
I'm curious why EVGA sent these out. Like do they want to gain something and keep their name in the press, or is this a kickback to the publications that first aired the story? I remember the CEO saying he wanted to be professional with Nvidia and not burn bridges but this kinda conflicts with that. I'm entirely on the side of EVGA in the whole story, but my pessimistic mind sees this as an indirect way to pay GN and Jay with video content that will no doubt get a lot of views.
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I'm curious why EVGA sent these out. Like do they want to gain something and keep their name in the press, or is this a kickback to the publications that first aired the story? I remember the CEO saying he wanted to be professional with Nvidia and not burn bridges but this kinda conflicts with that. I'm entirely on the side of EVGA in the whole story, but my pessimistic mind sees this as an indirect way to pay GN and Jay with video content that will no doubt get a lot of views.
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Peter
It s really too bad about EVGA. I definitely was holding off to buy a 3090 but then I heard about the 4090 so I held out. I was planning on replacing my EVGA 1080 FTW with a EVGA 4090 FTW until I heard the news. looks like my next build will be a complete team red build. I usually build around the two main components the GPU and the CPU. Holding out for Intel to get it s head out of it s ass is like waiting for Apple to build a system designed for gaming.
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It s really too bad about EVGA. I definitely was holding off to buy a 3090 but then I heard about the 4090 so I held out. I was planning on replacing my EVGA 1080 FTW with a EVGA 4090 FTW until I heard the news. looks like my next build will be a complete team red build. I usually build around the two main components the GPU and the CPU. Holding out for Intel to get it s head out of it s ass is like waiting for Apple to build a system designed for gaming.
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Craig
Do we even know yet exactly why EVGA told Nvidia to pound sand? Personally, I'm a huge fan of EVGA and have been a pretty loyal customer for at least 10 years if not more. I would really like to see that relationship repaired as I think EVGA makes a much higher quality product than most of the market at roughly the same price point. They've always stood behind their warranties in my experience which is half of the battle as a consumer.
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Do we even know yet exactly why EVGA told Nvidia to pound sand? Personally, I'm a huge fan of EVGA and have been a pretty loyal customer for at least 10 years if not more. I would really like to see that relationship repaired as I think EVGA makes a much higher quality product than most of the market at roughly the same price point. They've always stood behind their warranties in my experience which is half of the battle as a consumer.
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Patrik
I wonder if we started a Kickstarter, would eVGA manufacture a batch of these (probably not, because they no longer have the licence)? Please, team up with AMD and make this gorgeous card available as an RTX 7900 XTX. It would be even more affordable and I'm more than happy to sacrifice some RT performance to be able to get my hands on a jewel like this! It's also one of the better times to join the red side (probably, hopefully).
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I wonder if we started a Kickstarter, would eVGA manufacture a batch of these (probably not, because they no longer have the licence)? Please, team up with AMD and make this gorgeous card available as an RTX 7900 XTX. It would be even more affordable and I'm more than happy to sacrifice some RT performance to be able to get my hands on a jewel like this! It's also one of the better times to join the red side (probably, hopefully).
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Anthony
I had read or heard somewhere that there were some 'final' prototype cards of this nature out there.. you have NO idea how many prayers I made that you would get your hands on one to review. It's AMAZING I hope it's YOURS and you get to keep it, this is absolutely a piece of history here, definitely worth putting in the fire-vault and keeping forever! Great find!!
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I had read or heard somewhere that there were some 'final' prototype cards of this nature out there.. you have NO idea how many prayers I made that you would get your hands on one to review. It's AMAZING I hope it's YOURS and you get to keep it, this is absolutely a piece of history here, definitely worth putting in the fire-vault and keeping forever! Great find!!
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Julian
13:36 that's a bodge! It's very common for prototype and low volume PCBs to have some wiring faults in the design that have then been fixed by manually soldering on a wire across it. Often there's multiple wire bodges on such boards. These design flaws would obviously then be fixed for the production models so you rarely see such bodges in consumer electronics.
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13:36 that's a bodge! It's very common for prototype and low volume PCBs to have some wiring faults in the design that have then been fixed by manually soldering on a wire across it. Often there's multiple wire bodges on such boards. These design flaws would obviously then be fixed for the production models so you rarely see such bodges in consumer electronics.
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MoJo
It's a real shame that this isn't going to the market and EVGA's last card. It looks like they did an excellent job designing their RTX 4090 too. Welp, I guess I have to do some serious homework on which one of Nvidia's partners to buy from. I'm leaning towards MSI's Serprim since it's a smaller form factor and liquid cooled. Great video btw!
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It's a real shame that this isn't going to the market and EVGA's last card. It looks like they did an excellent job designing their RTX 4090 too. Welp, I guess I have to do some serious homework on which one of Nvidia's partners to buy from. I'm leaning towards MSI's Serprim since it's a smaller form factor and liquid cooled. Great video btw!
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Santyago
I would love to see EVGA making AMD GPUs, obviously it would already be for the 8000 series not this one, maybe with AMD the margins can be a bit higher since they are doing a lot of stuff to reduce costs. GDDR6 instead of GDDR6X, not the latest TMSC node so cheaper, and the chiplet design. Also here's hoping for a 450 MSRP RX 7700XT
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I would love to see EVGA making AMD GPUs, obviously it would already be for the 8000 series not this one, maybe with AMD the margins can be a bit higher since they are doing a lot of stuff to reduce costs. GDDR6 instead of GDDR6X, not the latest TMSC node so cheaper, and the chiplet design. Also here's hoping for a 450 MSRP RX 7700XT
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Crimson_Ghost
I was really hoping for a 4090 KPE to replace my Kingpin 2080ti. Its been such a fantastic card on water running at 2100 Mhz, never going over 60C with a 10900K at 5.2 Ghz all core. Felt strange spending 1800 on a card and 300 on a water block when I bought it but it has surpassed all my expectations.
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I was really hoping for a 4090 KPE to replace my Kingpin 2080ti. Its been such a fantastic card on water running at 2100 Mhz, never going over 60C with a 10900K at 5.2 Ghz all core. Felt strange spending 1800 on a card and 300 on a water block when I bought it but it has surpassed all my expectations.
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