Walmart vs. CyberPower for Worst Pre-Built PC: Overheating GMA 4600 BST
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Date: 2020-05-06
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Floodsye
I find computer hardware fascinating, but will likely never build my own computer as I actually enjoy buying a finished product and testing full products similar to how consoles work. This comes from my love for good design from manufacturers that give a shit and actually put their degrees to good use. Of course, prebuilts aren't the same as consoles in general as they just slap a bunch of part together rather than create a cohesive system, but they can interesting nonetheless. The best pre-built systems I've used have to be the Corsair One series due to their innovative design and really great performance despite being housed in a tiny box compared to typical PCs. However, CyberPowerPC is a disgrace to my type of gamer & hardware nerd who likes pre-built setups. I've had two of their computers. A laptop and a desktop. The laptop had such thermal issues that it couldn't be used in anything above Runescape (2010ish model) without a flat-out throttle of both the CPU and GPU. Years later in 2015 I decided to another desktop after my ibuypower became a bit outdated for 1080p space. The new desktop. literally came in unable to be started up at all. After hours of research (funnily enough learned almost everything I know because of the piece of junk, all I could get to start was a broken MSI BIOS that I needed to completely wipe and replace with the original Gigabyte BIOS. all the while CyberPower kept insisting that the system should be working fine and that I shouldn't send it back. After a few days, I managed to get it to work somewhat, but it was performing terribly. The setup was terrible. They had setup a 3-pin case fan into a 2pin board, so you couldn't control the fan speeds. The graphics card also turned out to faulty and needed to be replace with a new 970. The last part was my own fault in part as I didn't know the extremely bad nature of the dreaded FX-9590 and it's crazy thermals. However, after many months of subpar use due to high-end games causing throttling, I decided to solve the issue. CyberPower as the experts should've known this, but didn't somehow. The 9590 can actually be cooled quite effectively in a large tower case with a good Noctua air-cooler. Solved the issue quite easily, but it was the last time I ever buy from CyberPower. I did become quite knowledgeable due to the experiences with that junk, but that shouldn't be the case. I could only imagine an older person trying to figure that shit out with no background and just a will to have their son/daughter be able to play some games.
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I find computer hardware fascinating, but will likely never build my own computer as I actually enjoy buying a finished product and testing full products similar to how consoles work. This comes from my love for good design from manufacturers that give a shit and actually put their degrees to good use. Of course, prebuilts aren't the same as consoles in general as they just slap a bunch of part together rather than create a cohesive system, but they can interesting nonetheless. The best pre-built systems I've used have to be the Corsair One series due to their innovative design and really great performance despite being housed in a tiny box compared to typical PCs. However, CyberPowerPC is a disgrace to my type of gamer & hardware nerd who likes pre-built setups. I've had two of their computers. A laptop and a desktop. The laptop had such thermal issues that it couldn't be used in anything above Runescape (2010ish model) without a flat-out throttle of both the CPU and GPU. Years later in 2015 I decided to another desktop after my ibuypower became a bit outdated for 1080p space. The new desktop. literally came in unable to be started up at all. After hours of research (funnily enough learned almost everything I know because of the piece of junk, all I could get to start was a broken MSI BIOS that I needed to completely wipe and replace with the original Gigabyte BIOS. all the while CyberPower kept insisting that the system should be working fine and that I shouldn't send it back. After a few days, I managed to get it to work somewhat, but it was performing terribly. The setup was terrible. They had setup a 3-pin case fan into a 2pin board, so you couldn't control the fan speeds. The graphics card also turned out to faulty and needed to be replace with a new 970. The last part was my own fault in part as I didn't know the extremely bad nature of the dreaded FX-9590 and it's crazy thermals. However, after many months of subpar use due to high-end games causing throttling, I decided to solve the issue. CyberPower as the experts should've known this, but didn't somehow. The 9590 can actually be cooled quite effectively in a large tower case with a good Noctua air-cooler. Solved the issue quite easily, but it was the last time I ever buy from CyberPower. I did become quite knowledgeable due to the experiences with that junk, but that shouldn't be the case. I could only imagine an older person trying to figure that shit out with no background and just a will to have their son/daughter be able to play some games.
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Shawn
I've been building PCs for myself, friends and family since 2004. Idk about Walmart, iBuyPower and other pre-build companies, but my last 2 PC's 8700k/1080 rig in 2018 and my current 3900X and 2080Ti rig from last year were both from NZXT's BLD service since I could take advantage of financing through Affirm which they use. I will say I was entirely impressed, esp as a seasoned and picky PC builder myself. Everything was configured properly, all drivers up to date including the latest BIOS. Zero issues and everything was rock solid. Soon as it hit desktop for first time, all I had to do was start installing my own stuff. Really impressed with NZXT's BLD service and have recommended it to many people, esp those that want a good rig and can finance. The only downside I can say about them is you are limited to only 4 NZXT cases. Needless to say, I ditched them soon as the PCs got here and transplanted the internals into my Cooler Master H500P Mesh case instead. Other than that, very good service and fast too. 3900X with 32GB 3600mhz GSkill Royal RAM, Crosshair VIII Hero X570 mobo, 2x1TB Samsung 970 Plus M. 2's 1000 watt PSU, NZXT X62 AIO and 2080Ti only ran me at 133/month for 24 months no interest if paid off early, which I did for my 8700K rig then gave to my Brother.
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I've been building PCs for myself, friends and family since 2004. Idk about Walmart, iBuyPower and other pre-build companies, but my last 2 PC's 8700k/1080 rig in 2018 and my current 3900X and 2080Ti rig from last year were both from NZXT's BLD service since I could take advantage of financing through Affirm which they use. I will say I was entirely impressed, esp as a seasoned and picky PC builder myself. Everything was configured properly, all drivers up to date including the latest BIOS. Zero issues and everything was rock solid. Soon as it hit desktop for first time, all I had to do was start installing my own stuff. Really impressed with NZXT's BLD service and have recommended it to many people, esp those that want a good rig and can finance. The only downside I can say about them is you are limited to only 4 NZXT cases. Needless to say, I ditched them soon as the PCs got here and transplanted the internals into my Cooler Master H500P Mesh case instead. Other than that, very good service and fast too. 3900X with 32GB 3600mhz GSkill Royal RAM, Crosshair VIII Hero X570 mobo, 2x1TB Samsung 970 Plus M. 2's 1000 watt PSU, NZXT X62 AIO and 2080Ti only ran me at 133/month for 24 months no interest if paid off early, which I did for my 8700K rig then gave to my Brother.
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Michael
My very first PC was purchased from a computer shop in the early 90s, the experience was so bad I bought my next from a friend who built computers. After my friend passed away I bought my first PC from a specialty company which was cyberpower, and was so bad I then tried to build my own the next time. The board had bad RAM connections and they were told the ram were good, just 2 of the slots on the motherboard were bad. I shipped the whole thing back per their request and they changed the ram but not the board, 3 of the 4 ram chips were bad. In the end it was sent back 3 TIMES before things were actually corrected. After my personal attempt to build a PC did not do too well I ended up getting my newest one from 2013 from AVADirect and was very happy with it. Except for the very first one purchased from a special computer shop, I have never purchased from a Walmart, Best Buy, etc because they have been so bad. I'm so happy I ran into AVADirect and I am wondering what other companies that are specialty pre-builders are recommended for people like me who know better than to buy from the Walmarts and Best Buys but are just not capable of building a computer from parts themselves?
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My very first PC was purchased from a computer shop in the early 90s, the experience was so bad I bought my next from a friend who built computers. After my friend passed away I bought my first PC from a specialty company which was cyberpower, and was so bad I then tried to build my own the next time. The board had bad RAM connections and they were told the ram were good, just 2 of the slots on the motherboard were bad. I shipped the whole thing back per their request and they changed the ram but not the board, 3 of the 4 ram chips were bad. In the end it was sent back 3 TIMES before things were actually corrected. After my personal attempt to build a PC did not do too well I ended up getting my newest one from 2013 from AVADirect and was very happy with it. Except for the very first one purchased from a special computer shop, I have never purchased from a Walmart, Best Buy, etc because they have been so bad. I'm so happy I ran into AVADirect and I am wondering what other companies that are specialty pre-builders are recommended for people like me who know better than to buy from the Walmarts and Best Buys but are just not capable of building a computer from parts themselves?
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Derek
I have a 750 Best Buy gift card and was looking at intel vs AMD. So I chose AMD. Is there a service where someone tells you what motherboard etc to get and builds it. but you get the parts? Looking at AMD 3700x with Nvidia 2070 Super. Understand I knew Nothing about computers. intel integrated graphics made me learn. They sell dual core processors as, Gaming. All in one. So now I said screw it. Desktop time. I am going AMD bc the i7-9700k has no hyperthreading. I Do Not want another intel integrated graphics no multi thread. It's great for word doc or surfing internet. Anyway, so that lead me to a pre build like Ipower or cyperpc. Idk what to trust. I am stuck with parts to buy from best buy bc gift cards. I like how AMD has a cpu slot to upgrade w out change to motherboard. I thought the 3700x was close to i7-9700k without as fast turbo, but maybe could handle more bc their core design? My budget is 1150. So idk. A month ago I knew nothing at all about CPU names etc. Intel integrated graphics made me learn.
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I have a 750 Best Buy gift card and was looking at intel vs AMD. So I chose AMD. Is there a service where someone tells you what motherboard etc to get and builds it. but you get the parts? Looking at AMD 3700x with Nvidia 2070 Super. Understand I knew Nothing about computers. intel integrated graphics made me learn. They sell dual core processors as, Gaming. All in one. So now I said screw it. Desktop time. I am going AMD bc the i7-9700k has no hyperthreading. I Do Not want another intel integrated graphics no multi thread. It's great for word doc or surfing internet. Anyway, so that lead me to a pre build like Ipower or cyperpc. Idk what to trust. I am stuck with parts to buy from best buy bc gift cards. I like how AMD has a cpu slot to upgrade w out change to motherboard. I thought the 3700x was close to i7-9700k without as fast turbo, but maybe could handle more bc their core design? My budget is 1150. So idk. A month ago I knew nothing at all about CPU names etc. Intel integrated graphics made me learn.
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Care
I feel like you had to try really hard to find things to criticize about this build. The application of thermal paste was fine. Any more would have been sloppy. And the case is a universal case. What kind of nut job cuts off a piece of their case so the power supply is easy to get out? You're creating a solution for a non-issue. Then when you were done ripping into it, you started complaining about prior builds that you'd had problems with as if they were somehow relevant to this one, which had very few issues. Your primary complaint is that the unit uses cheap components, but you purchased one of the cheapest possible builds you can buy from this PC builder. High thermals from a cheap CPU cooler are to be expected in a build like this, as most people who do anything more than casual office work on this machine are going to immediately replace the cooler with one of their choice. The point of this build is low price point, not gaming domination.
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I feel like you had to try really hard to find things to criticize about this build. The application of thermal paste was fine. Any more would have been sloppy. And the case is a universal case. What kind of nut job cuts off a piece of their case so the power supply is easy to get out? You're creating a solution for a non-issue. Then when you were done ripping into it, you started complaining about prior builds that you'd had problems with as if they were somehow relevant to this one, which had very few issues. Your primary complaint is that the unit uses cheap components, but you purchased one of the cheapest possible builds you can buy from this PC builder. High thermals from a cheap CPU cooler are to be expected in a build like this, as most people who do anything more than casual office work on this machine are going to immediately replace the cooler with one of their choice. The point of this build is low price point, not gaming domination.
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Steve
I recently bought my first gaming PC from IBuyPower. Im sure i could have gotten more of a PC buy building my own, but for the money i paid im happy with my experience. Nice RGB, 60 FPS on most all games at high settings, and a decent platform to add a better graphics card, power supply, and MB and processor at a later date. Worked great right out of the box. I did pay this years price for last years model though, looking closer i could have got a Core i5 instead of the Core i3 i got for a very similar price, i would want to upgrade the MB and processor to an i7 anyway, throw in a PS and 2080 GPU and ill be set, still have a good setup for under 1500. I may just start collecting parts and build a whole new setup and just unload thus IBP or just have a spare rig. I read a lot of bad reviews, also a lot of positive ones, my experience has been very good. This makes my girlfriends 2000, 10 year old Alienware Auroua look like an Atari 2600.
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I recently bought my first gaming PC from IBuyPower. Im sure i could have gotten more of a PC buy building my own, but for the money i paid im happy with my experience. Nice RGB, 60 FPS on most all games at high settings, and a decent platform to add a better graphics card, power supply, and MB and processor at a later date. Worked great right out of the box. I did pay this years price for last years model though, looking closer i could have got a Core i5 instead of the Core i3 i got for a very similar price, i would want to upgrade the MB and processor to an i7 anyway, throw in a PS and 2080 GPU and ill be set, still have a good setup for under 1500. I may just start collecting parts and build a whole new setup and just unload thus IBP or just have a spare rig. I read a lot of bad reviews, also a lot of positive ones, my experience has been very good. This makes my girlfriends 2000, 10 year old Alienware Auroua look like an Atari 2600.
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CITYOFHEROES
the motherboard B450 dose not match the CPU. if you buying a RYZEN 3000 series CPU you need a X570-I motherboard. that is a MINI ITX that is cheaper to make if your running against a EXTENDED ATX motherboard. and B450 dose not support PCIe 4. 0 if your going to buy a RYZEN 3000 series CPU go with the middle ground RYZEN 7 3800X you will do better then a 3700X while going cheaper then the 3900X I know BH PHOTO selling a 3700X for 300. 00 and 3800X for 340. 00 then 3900X cost 419. 00 and if you go to NEWEGG the prices sky rocket some what. the higher the price the more sales tax your going to pay. however NEWEGG offer cheaper SQUARE TRADE my best advice DO NOT BUY B450 go with the X570-I you will hate the PCIe 4. 0 support. and buy a NVME SSD in PCIe 4. 0 and wait for NVIDIA to come up with RTX 3000 series graphic card. that there will be information on that at the end of the month of MARCH 2020
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the motherboard B450 dose not match the CPU. if you buying a RYZEN 3000 series CPU you need a X570-I motherboard. that is a MINI ITX that is cheaper to make if your running against a EXTENDED ATX motherboard. and B450 dose not support PCIe 4. 0 if your going to buy a RYZEN 3000 series CPU go with the middle ground RYZEN 7 3800X you will do better then a 3700X while going cheaper then the 3900X I know BH PHOTO selling a 3700X for 300. 00 and 3800X for 340. 00 then 3900X cost 419. 00 and if you go to NEWEGG the prices sky rocket some what. the higher the price the more sales tax your going to pay. however NEWEGG offer cheaper SQUARE TRADE my best advice DO NOT BUY B450 go with the X570-I you will hate the PCIe 4. 0 support. and buy a NVME SSD in PCIe 4. 0 and wait for NVIDIA to come up with RTX 3000 series graphic card. that there will be information on that at the end of the month of MARCH 2020
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CGEIKON_FN
PLEASE READ THIS when the systems from cyber power come they have pcie power saving enabled you need to fix this by going into device manager then power options advanced power then under pcie turn off windows optimized power and switch it to OFF. THESE SYSTEMS ARE SHIPPING WITH THIS SETTING ON ON ALL OF THERE PCS CONFIRMED ON 3 FROM ME PERSONALLY and it causes the gpu to crash any time it comes above the threshold of around 100 watts. Other than that My hard drive came initialized, but my ssd wasn't in the 2. 5 inch bay. It was in the hard drive bay loose, my rgb is daisy changed from molex to fans in a rats nest underneath and the only problem I'm having is the rx580 but that might be driver related because amd fan controlls are messed up right now. Having to use msi fan control any time I'm running a game. F on building quality if u don't know ur shit about pcs don't buy from cyber or ibuy
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PLEASE READ THIS when the systems from cyber power come they have pcie power saving enabled you need to fix this by going into device manager then power options advanced power then under pcie turn off windows optimized power and switch it to OFF. THESE SYSTEMS ARE SHIPPING WITH THIS SETTING ON ON ALL OF THERE PCS CONFIRMED ON 3 FROM ME PERSONALLY and it causes the gpu to crash any time it comes above the threshold of around 100 watts. Other than that My hard drive came initialized, but my ssd wasn't in the 2. 5 inch bay. It was in the hard drive bay loose, my rgb is daisy changed from molex to fans in a rats nest underneath and the only problem I'm having is the rx580 but that might be driver related because amd fan controlls are messed up right now. Having to use msi fan control any time I'm running a game. F on building quality if u don't know ur shit about pcs don't buy from cyber or ibuy
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ALoAT
I spec'd out and purchased a PC at Cyberpower once in the late 2000's. I purchased two extra LED fans to go along with the two fans that should have come with the case I purchased. I received the PC with only the two extra LED fans. When I called them out on it, they told me I could come down to their warehouse to pick up the two missing case fans. They were different fans than what should have come stock with the case. The components were no-name, low quality parts. A fan control & display unit I purchased on the build kept beeping intermittently, indicating overheating. I removed the display and discovered that it wasn't brand new and appeared to be used/returned possibly. Even so, I was too busy to make a stink about the defective fan control & display. I'll never purchase from them again. I've since built multiple PC's on my own because I just can't trust these companies.
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I spec'd out and purchased a PC at Cyberpower once in the late 2000's. I purchased two extra LED fans to go along with the two fans that should have come with the case I purchased. I received the PC with only the two extra LED fans. When I called them out on it, they told me I could come down to their warehouse to pick up the two missing case fans. They were different fans than what should have come stock with the case. The components were no-name, low quality parts. A fan control & display unit I purchased on the build kept beeping intermittently, indicating overheating. I removed the display and discovered that it wasn't brand new and appeared to be used/returned possibly. Even so, I was too busy to make a stink about the defective fan control & display. I'll never purchase from them again. I've since built multiple PC's on my own because I just can't trust these companies.
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