HW News - Crazy New Motherboard Form Factor, 5-Fan NVIDIA GPU, AMD GPU Leak
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Date: 2023-03-27
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Jack
Steve, I don't know the technical name for the shattering process that Tempered Glass and Prince Rupert Drops do, but I do know it should be pretty rare(tm) . In order to get Tempered Glass to shatter into the fun, little cubes, you have to hit is with a lot of force to get the glass to deflect/bend too much... or hit it with an objects that can scratch and or gouge the surface. We're taking jagged or broken ceramics, like the material on the top part of spark plugs. But, the nice part of Tempered Glass when it shatters is that it does break into those easily to vacuum cubes, and not the razer thin, hypodermic needle sized glass fines that you get from non-tempered glass. So, you're less likely to get glass cuts and bits of glass imbedding in you. And glass cuts are NOT FUN as they instantly start bleeding all over the place. (Ask me how. Just ask me how I know. I STILL have the art pieces I was making at the time.)
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Steve, I don't know the technical name for the shattering process that Tempered Glass and Prince Rupert Drops do, but I do know it should be pretty rare(tm) . In order to get Tempered Glass to shatter into the fun, little cubes, you have to hit is with a lot of force to get the glass to deflect/bend too much... or hit it with an objects that can scratch and or gouge the surface. We're taking jagged or broken ceramics, like the material on the top part of spark plugs. But, the nice part of Tempered Glass when it shatters is that it does break into those easily to vacuum cubes, and not the razer thin, hypodermic needle sized glass fines that you get from non-tempered glass. So, you're less likely to get glass cuts and bits of glass imbedding in you. And glass cuts are NOT FUN as they instantly start bleeding all over the place. (Ask me how. Just ask me how I know. I STILL have the art pieces I was making at the time.)
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Tarets
IMO glasspads are worthless gimmicks. They're only upside is that they're durable and easy to clean, which you'll be doing constantly, because every little dirt part is immediately irritating your mouse sliders. It also drags your naked palm, makes it sweat more as your skin won't breathe, and your skin cells will leave skids all the time. I can't express how many times have I died during a MP match, trying to wipe some crap away.
It's one of those gadgets that produces more problems than they actually solve. After years I've switched back from Icemat to a regular rag and it was such a breeze to finally stop thinking about a mouse pad during a gameplay.
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IMO glasspads are worthless gimmicks. They're only upside is that they're durable and easy to clean, which you'll be doing constantly, because every little dirt part is immediately irritating your mouse sliders. It also drags your naked palm, makes it sweat more as your skin won't breathe, and your skin cells will leave skids all the time. I can't express how many times have I died during a MP match, trying to wipe some crap away.
It's one of those gadgets that produces more problems than they actually solve. After years I've switched back from Icemat to a regular rag and it was such a breeze to finally stop thinking about a mouse pad during a gameplay.
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SYLperc
Spontaneous breakage of tempered glass: there's high internal stress to tempered glass. Passenger door windows in cars are made of tempered glass because they are very strong to resist wind pressure, but can completely explode into tiny pieces by striking it with a small, sharp puncture device. This was made mandatory by health and safety officials so rescue/escape from accident vehicles or fires would be much easier. All it takes is a small imperfection in the glass as a whole to cause the explosive release of internal pressure. so a small ding in the glass or chip on the edge could easily act as a point of failure, causing the entire piece to fail.
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Spontaneous breakage of tempered glass: there's high internal stress to tempered glass. Passenger door windows in cars are made of tempered glass because they are very strong to resist wind pressure, but can completely explode into tiny pieces by striking it with a small, sharp puncture device. This was made mandatory by health and safety officials so rescue/escape from accident vehicles or fires would be much easier. All it takes is a small imperfection in the glass as a whole to cause the explosive release of internal pressure. so a small ding in the glass or chip on the edge could easily act as a point of failure, causing the entire piece to fail.
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Teamkiller153
27:27 I agree with Patrick. Only having a single HDMI port on GPUs these days, limits compatibility with older monitors. Especially with multi-monitor setups, you'll need a DP to HDMI convertor to work with older displays. It's also confusing as to why lower-end GPUs continue this trend, since they wouldn't really have the computing power to drive high resolution/refresh rate signals to multi-monitors. DP is still a great technology, but HDMI is much more widely supported in the consumer space, with TVs and monitors sporting multiple HDMI ports. Meanwhile DP input is mostly only found on PC displays, and usually as single input option.
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27:27 I agree with Patrick. Only having a single HDMI port on GPUs these days, limits compatibility with older monitors. Especially with multi-monitor setups, you'll need a DP to HDMI convertor to work with older displays. It's also confusing as to why lower-end GPUs continue this trend, since they wouldn't really have the computing power to drive high resolution/refresh rate signals to multi-monitors. DP is still a great technology, but HDMI is much more widely supported in the consumer space, with TVs and monitors sporting multiple HDMI ports. Meanwhile DP input is mostly only found on PC displays, and usually as single input option.
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Ashley
I haven't personally seen it, but back when I fixed laptops at a school for a living, a student came in with their teacher. They said the screen spontaneously shattered. The teacher confirmed he saw it himself. So I swapped it out and sent him on his way. I did a post mortem on the panel. It was obvious that it exploded from the inside out. I thought it was the strangest thing ever. The examination of the panel alone IMO was enough to prove the student was telling the truth even if I didn't have the teacher's word. But from what you're saying I guess it's not as strange as I thought.
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I haven't personally seen it, but back when I fixed laptops at a school for a living, a student came in with their teacher. They said the screen spontaneously shattered. The teacher confirmed he saw it himself. So I swapped it out and sent him on his way. I did a post mortem on the panel. It was obvious that it exploded from the inside out. I thought it was the strangest thing ever. The examination of the panel alone IMO was enough to prove the student was telling the truth even if I didn't have the teacher's word. But from what you're saying I guess it's not as strange as I thought.
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NonLegit
i wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia came out with just an RTX 4000 that was 550 and had the performance of a RTX 2080 at this point. I'm really hating the path that GPU pricing is going. I bought my GigaByte RTX 2070 Super when it launched and I paid 550, 550 for a GPU that was only 2 steps down from the best GPU you could buy. I do plan on upgrading my GPU soon but with the way pricing is going it looks like the only two options for me is to either spend 2 weeks worth of income on a damn GPU or go with a used 30 series GPU like a 3080, which is what I'm most likely going to do.
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i wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia came out with just an RTX 4000 that was 550 and had the performance of a RTX 2080 at this point. I'm really hating the path that GPU pricing is going. I bought my GigaByte RTX 2070 Super when it launched and I paid 550, 550 for a GPU that was only 2 steps down from the best GPU you could buy. I do plan on upgrading my GPU soon but with the way pricing is going it looks like the only two options for me is to either spend 2 weeks worth of income on a damn GPU or go with a used 30 series GPU like a 3080, which is what I'm most likely going to do.
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Carbon
It's not all bad, Steve! I haven't been in a fast food place in years, but having seen quite a few overseas and the 'local' menus, people wouldn't believe how different they are from the US outside of signage. The one in Bangkok comes to mind...
Add: I'm sure someone else got it, but just in case, Thermal Shock is the phenomenon often tied to exploding tempered glass. I might be a fan of a borosilicate pad, but my preferences still ride on a cloth pad with a secondary on a big ss pen-tied graphic tablet.
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It's not all bad, Steve! I haven't been in a fast food place in years, but having seen quite a few overseas and the 'local' menus, people wouldn't believe how different they are from the US outside of signage. The one in Bangkok comes to mind...
Add: I'm sure someone else got it, but just in case, Thermal Shock is the phenomenon often tied to exploding tempered glass. I might be a fan of a borosilicate pad, but my preferences still ride on a cloth pad with a secondary on a big ss pen-tied graphic tablet.
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Super
Personally I would like all the small cables like the fan headers, USB, sound, front panel etc. to be on the back, but leave the bigger cables like MOBO, CPU and GPU at the front.
The small cables are always a pain in the ass to route nicely for me. If you get custom cables for MOBO, CPU and GPU they really add to the look of the components.
We'll see if there's gonna be diverse support for these new designs.
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Personally I would like all the small cables like the fan headers, USB, sound, front panel etc. to be on the back, but leave the bigger cables like MOBO, CPU and GPU at the front.
The small cables are always a pain in the ass to route nicely for me. If you get custom cables for MOBO, CPU and GPU they really add to the look of the components.
We'll see if there's gonna be diverse support for these new designs.
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Reid
17:28 The property of tempered glass Steve was trying to remember is residual stress . By taking regular annealed glass after cutting and shaping, then heating and rapidly cooling the surface, the exterior of the glass' amorphous structure is under compression, while the internerior is under tension. Those counterbalanced forces being released when it fails is what causes it to explode .
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17:28 The property of tempered glass Steve was trying to remember is residual stress . By taking regular annealed glass after cutting and shaping, then heating and rapidly cooling the surface, the exterior of the glass' amorphous structure is under compression, while the internerior is under tension. Those counterbalanced forces being released when it fails is what causes it to explode .
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DAL96
Now i understand why in the last 2-3 weeks when someone call me and i have 4G activated i can't hear anyone. Call doesn't work, i have to disable manually my 4G data and make call from standard 2G. Even when i try to call someone, if i have 4G activated call doesn't start.
Samsung M31, probably they made a patch to block it while they fix the bug.
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Now i understand why in the last 2-3 weeks when someone call me and i have 4G activated i can't hear anyone. Call doesn't work, i have to disable manually my 4G data and make call from standard 2G. Even when i try to call someone, if i have 4G activated call doesn't start.
Samsung M31, probably they made a patch to block it while they fix the bug.
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Icecream
Why is the price going up: Because they can.
That's it. Inflation explained. Currency isn't devaluating as quickly as it appears, companies just noticed they can price hike and people still buy it.
You can see it everywhere. Good thing we dont outsource everything and our entire economy revolves around importing every....oh. Gosh darnit.
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Why is the price going up: Because they can.
That's it. Inflation explained. Currency isn't devaluating as quickly as it appears, companies just noticed they can price hike and people still buy it.
You can see it everywhere. Good thing we dont outsource everything and our entire economy revolves around importing every....oh. Gosh darnit.
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Jacob
Those low power oem cards, rx 6300, are pretty good for chucking into a system to give it a few more output options or expand support for multi-monitor setups in an office type environment. Cheap, easy to install/high compatibility(all power from gpu rail), and low power. They are pretty hilariously low powered from a gaming standpoint though!
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Those low power oem cards, rx 6300, are pretty good for chucking into a system to give it a few more output options or expand support for multi-monitor setups in an office type environment. Cheap, easy to install/high compatibility(all power from gpu rail), and low power. They are pretty hilariously low powered from a gaming standpoint though!
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Existential
My 2060 super (8gb) was hitting vram limitations when it came out. The fact that they're STILL limiting it is insane! Especially with the focus on AI (a vram heavy workload).
When I'm not hitting a vram limit the 2060 is even surprisingly good at ray tracing. After the 3060 12gb, the next cheapest card with more memory is a 3090!
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My 2060 super (8gb) was hitting vram limitations when it came out. The fact that they're STILL limiting it is insane! Especially with the focus on AI (a vram heavy workload).
When I'm not hitting a vram limit the 2060 is even surprisingly good at ray tracing. After the 3060 12gb, the next cheapest card with more memory is a 3090!
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boredgunner
I've requested a motherboard form factor that uses both sides, and cases designed around it, for some time now. Would result in far neater cable management and is easier to use, especially NVMe SSDs get moved to the back as well (no more GPUs blocking access to NVMe and other stuff). Down with ATX!
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I've requested a motherboard form factor that uses both sides, and cases designed around it, for some time now. Would result in far neater cable management and is easier to use, especially NVMe SSDs get moved to the back as well (no more GPUs blocking access to NVMe and other stuff). Down with ATX!
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mdavid
I think that the ASUS MoBo is cool and all, but I wonder after we spent decades trying to get standardized parts if this is not something of a regression. Surely these will find a quicker pathway to the ewaste black holes since they are less compatible with other aftermarket parts?
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I think that the ASUS MoBo is cool and all, but I wonder after we spent decades trying to get standardized parts if this is not something of a regression. Surely these will find a quicker pathway to the ewaste black holes since they are less compatible with other aftermarket parts?
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