The Last Hope for Intel 14th Gen - Core i5-14600K Review, Benchmarks, & Discussion
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Date: 2023-10-22
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Sarcasm-
Understanding
Sarcastic comment below a memorial plaque for Alois Alzheimer who first described Alzheimer's disease. The German text means Alois, we will never forget you! , subtly playing with the contradiction between a disease deteriorating the human memory, the purpose of the memorial and the added text.
Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's or writer's intentions; different parts of the brain must work together to understand sarcasm. This sophisticated understanding can be lacking in some people with certain forms of brain damage, dementia and sometimes autism,[15] and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.[16][17] Research on the anatomy of sarcasm has shown, according to Richard Delmonico, a neuropsychologist at University of California, Davis, that people with damage in the prefrontal cortex have difficulty understanding non-verbal aspects of language like tone.[18] Neuroscientist David Salmon at the University of California, San Diego, stated that this type of research could help doctors distinguish between different types of neurodegenerative diseases, such as frontotemporal dementia and Alzheimer's disease
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Sarcasm-
Understanding
Sarcastic comment below a memorial plaque for Alois Alzheimer who first described Alzheimer's disease. The German text means Alois, we will never forget you! , subtly playing with the contradiction between a disease deteriorating the human memory, the purpose of the memorial and the added text.
Understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's or writer's intentions; different parts of the brain must work together to understand sarcasm. This sophisticated understanding can be lacking in some people with certain forms of brain damage, dementia and sometimes autism,[15] and this perception has been located by MRI in the right parahippocampal gyrus.[16][17] Research on the anatomy of sarcasm has shown, according to Richard Delmonico, a neuropsychologist at University of California, Davis, that people with damage in the prefrontal cortex have difficulty understanding non-verbal aspects of language like tone.[18] Neuroscientist David Salmon at the University of California, San Diego, stated that this type of research could help doctors distinguish between different types of neurodegenerative diseases, such as frontotemporal dementia and Alzheimer's disease
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Siyzerix
8:00 Here, I'd argue its the companies that have shaped the consumer expectations by their various comparisons and marketing they've done for their product lineup's over the years. The name is now a brand.
For example, AMD themselves compared the rx6800xt to the rtx 3080 and showed they're in the same tier of high end performance. So when the rx7800xt is nowhere close to the rtx 4080 in performance, well, what should customers expect if companies flip flop between their naming and expectations?
So when someone says that nvidia or intel or amd can name whatever they want to name their products, because its their products, then they should expect to face the consequences. Which is the disappointment people will have when the product performs nowhere close to what they were led to expect.
Naming matters, because its a brand. Brands have strong worth IF they've been cultivated properly and all 3 have done so. However, NOW they are diluting it. Nvidia naming the 4050ti a 4060, intel with 14th gen, AMD is the worst. AMD's ryzen 7000 mobile is FAR worse than intel's naming.
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8:00 Here, I'd argue its the companies that have shaped the consumer expectations by their various comparisons and marketing they've done for their product lineup's over the years. The name is now a brand.
For example, AMD themselves compared the rx6800xt to the rtx 3080 and showed they're in the same tier of high end performance. So when the rx7800xt is nowhere close to the rtx 4080 in performance, well, what should customers expect if companies flip flop between their naming and expectations?
So when someone says that nvidia or intel or amd can name whatever they want to name their products, because its their products, then they should expect to face the consequences. Which is the disappointment people will have when the product performs nowhere close to what they were led to expect.
Naming matters, because its a brand. Brands have strong worth IF they've been cultivated properly and all 3 have done so. However, NOW they are diluting it. Nvidia naming the 4050ti a 4060, intel with 14th gen, AMD is the worst. AMD's ryzen 7000 mobile is FAR worse than intel's naming.
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Haczko
My mind after the beginning of the video:
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
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My mind after the beginning of the video:
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through it's Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an impostor who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn it's simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
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Allan
I'm not being fooled, Intel being slimey. This is the kind of thing the PC industry does constantly as a routine business practice. Fortunately for Intel there is no effective FTC enforcement to keep corporations honest so Intel lied about three generations in the same socket and of will get away with it. Intel has the finest representation they can afford in Washington after all.
And no, AMD is really no better and have been doing this kind of thing for years.
Yes, I assert the PC industry is borderline fraudulent as business as usual and has been this way for decades now. Routinely lying in marketing, broken promises, and of course shipping product that is broken and trying to fix it with a software update later.
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I'm not being fooled, Intel being slimey. This is the kind of thing the PC industry does constantly as a routine business practice. Fortunately for Intel there is no effective FTC enforcement to keep corporations honest so Intel lied about three generations in the same socket and of will get away with it. Intel has the finest representation they can afford in Washington after all.
And no, AMD is really no better and have been doing this kind of thing for years.
Yes, I assert the PC industry is borderline fraudulent as business as usual and has been this way for decades now. Routinely lying in marketing, broken promises, and of course shipping product that is broken and trying to fix it with a software update later.
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Shuckle
Oh my god, how do these fakest smart people not understand the very primal, essential concepts of technology processes numbers, technology with bigger number name should process more numbers for streamlining purposes , or tech reviewers inform the consumers easily, it's literally way worse if everyone did the research only individually and it would generate even more problems , or greedy corporations exploit the consumers at every chance they get, it's not the consumer's fault for not INFORMING THEMSELVES OF EVERYONE THEY INTERACT WITH AT ALL TIMES LIKE THEY HAVE EXTREME PTSD .
I'm a person with severe PTSD, and this was my complaint about sociopaths and zombies of the day, thank you for listening.
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Oh my god, how do these fakest smart people not understand the very primal, essential concepts of technology processes numbers, technology with bigger number name should process more numbers for streamlining purposes , or tech reviewers inform the consumers easily, it's literally way worse if everyone did the research only individually and it would generate even more problems , or greedy corporations exploit the consumers at every chance they get, it's not the consumer's fault for not INFORMING THEMSELVES OF EVERYONE THEY INTERACT WITH AT ALL TIMES LIKE THEY HAVE EXTREME PTSD .
I'm a person with severe PTSD, and this was my complaint about sociopaths and zombies of the day, thank you for listening.
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OchaTime
The best thing about the last generation of CPUs is that AM4 was so solid, you could invest in its swan song offering for 200 and be set for another 5-6 years easily, so the current gen being this mediocre is totally fine. And the best thing about this generation of AMD GPUs is that they re not Nvidia, so you could invest 100 less than Nvidia s value performance pricing range and not only beat it, but ALSO be set for at least another 2-4 years for 1440p (upscaling taken into account) and, for the second generation in a row, flip off and ignore Nvidia s egregious pricing sins.
Truly a great time for a 1100 once and done build. Nvidia and Intel, with my biggest smile on a long time, gfy. :)
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The best thing about the last generation of CPUs is that AM4 was so solid, you could invest in its swan song offering for 200 and be set for another 5-6 years easily, so the current gen being this mediocre is totally fine. And the best thing about this generation of AMD GPUs is that they re not Nvidia, so you could invest 100 less than Nvidia s value performance pricing range and not only beat it, but ALSO be set for at least another 2-4 years for 1440p (upscaling taken into account) and, for the second generation in a row, flip off and ignore Nvidia s egregious pricing sins.
Truly a great time for a 1100 once and done build. Nvidia and Intel, with my biggest smile on a long time, gfy. :)
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Daharen
I'm a bit curious about an idle power consumption number for all CPUs not sure if you did that at some point?
I'm not a huge fan of P cores and E cores, but it seems pretty obvious to me that if they serve any power advantage its going to be in how they essentially shut down P cores for more power efficient E cores when not using the computer as much to save energy overall for people who have considerable ideling time or low performance need use cases like browsing and word processing.
I suspect AMD might still win anyway, but if not, leaving this out of the review could be disingenuous.
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I'm a bit curious about an idle power consumption number for all CPUs not sure if you did that at some point?
I'm not a huge fan of P cores and E cores, but it seems pretty obvious to me that if they serve any power advantage its going to be in how they essentially shut down P cores for more power efficient E cores when not using the computer as much to save energy overall for people who have considerable ideling time or low performance need use cases like browsing and word processing.
I suspect AMD might still win anyway, but if not, leaving this out of the review could be disingenuous.
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Jonas2000
11:22 The best thing out of this launch were updated motherboards You sure about that? Each of new new MBs I've looked at now boasts a Gen5 m.2 slot. And only hidden away in the small print and manuals can you find the info, that these gen5 lanes come at the cost of PCIe_1. So when you actually use that slot, your GPU gets downgraded to 8 lanes.
I'm surprised how it's a thing when GPUs only come with 8 or even 4 lanes, but if motherboards do effectively the same thing and even try to actively hide that fact from the customer, none of the hardware reviewers seem to care...
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11:22 The best thing out of this launch were updated motherboards You sure about that? Each of new new MBs I've looked at now boasts a Gen5 m.2 slot. And only hidden away in the small print and manuals can you find the info, that these gen5 lanes come at the cost of PCIe_1. So when you actually use that slot, your GPU gets downgraded to 8 lanes.
I'm surprised how it's a thing when GPUs only come with 8 or even 4 lanes, but if motherboards do effectively the same thing and even try to actively hide that fact from the customer, none of the hardware reviewers seem to care...
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Dimitris
I'm an engineer (technically, an overpriced mathematician) and I can confirm, Intel CPUs are indeed following the naming scheme: (imaginary) (performance factor) - (amount of hours engineering over previous generation) (1000). That means it's a complex number, with imaginary number being the sole giveaway of performance, while the real number is telling us the amount of work hours lost, trying to over-engineer a product, which stayed more the same than it became different from the last iteration.
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I'm an engineer (technically, an overpriced mathematician) and I can confirm, Intel CPUs are indeed following the naming scheme: (imaginary) (performance factor) - (amount of hours engineering over previous generation) (1000). That means it's a complex number, with imaginary number being the sole giveaway of performance, while the real number is telling us the amount of work hours lost, trying to over-engineer a product, which stayed more the same than it became different from the last iteration.
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Christopher
You guys are killing me with the funny lately. Normally I m kinda miffed by how much you knock on every new product, because Moore s Law must slow down at least somewhat. So each new product not being an earth shattering improvement is kind of a given?
Anyway, the funny is funny. It s enjoyable. I m liking the funny direction you re going in lately instead of just straight up discontentment which is valid, but tiring.
Cheers guys!
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You guys are killing me with the funny lately. Normally I m kinda miffed by how much you knock on every new product, because Moore s Law must slow down at least somewhat. So each new product not being an earth shattering improvement is kind of a given?
Anyway, the funny is funny. It s enjoyable. I m liking the funny direction you re going in lately instead of just straight up discontentment which is valid, but tiring.
Cheers guys!
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Leeroy
I don't get it why in Intel CPU benchmark tables we got old AF AMD, but no 10, 11 get Intel.
Which given generational improvements are the CPUs that folks are more likely to be on.
Anyway, having comparable performance AMD SKUs in the chart along with as much old Intel SKUs in Intel launch benchmark I would understand, but here almost all table is red.
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I don't get it why in Intel CPU benchmark tables we got old AF AMD, but no 10, 11 get Intel.
Which given generational improvements are the CPUs that folks are more likely to be on.
Anyway, having comparable performance AMD SKUs in the chart along with as much old Intel SKUs in Intel launch benchmark I would understand, but here almost all table is red.
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RenegadePandaZ
I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when you left out the i5 branding in your calculations, because if i has a 7.0% occurrence rate, and it's to the 5th power, that would add at least 16,807 to the totals, meaning it would handily beat AMD. Clearly you're just shilling for the competition here, and I am frankly disgusted.
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I'm sorry but I can't take this seriously when you left out the i5 branding in your calculations, because if i has a 7.0% occurrence rate, and it's to the 5th power, that would add at least 16,807 to the totals, meaning it would handily beat AMD. Clearly you're just shilling for the competition here, and I am frankly disgusted.
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TechyBen
This happens in car names too. IMO Ford did it in the UK. The small Cars, the Fiesta, slowly got bigger and bigger, the big cars slowly got cycled out, and new smaller cars brought out.
So now a Fiesta is the size and price of an old Mondeo, and Mondeos are gone, and the small car is a Ford Ka replaces the old little Feista.
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This happens in car names too. IMO Ford did it in the UK. The small Cars, the Fiesta, slowly got bigger and bigger, the big cars slowly got cycled out, and new smaller cars brought out.
So now a Fiesta is the size and price of an old Mondeo, and Mondeos are gone, and the small car is a Ford Ka replaces the old little Feista.
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creepersmate
Thanks Steve, I hope to see the CPU name number number sheet expand over the coming years, I'm truly taken back by the AMDs performance in their use of the 3D cache to increase their name number calculation. Congratulations on you and your team being able to crack the complex meaning behind the K, X and D meaning in CPUs.
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Thanks Steve, I hope to see the CPU name number number sheet expand over the coming years, I'm truly taken back by the AMDs performance in their use of the 3D cache to increase their name number calculation. Congratulations on you and your team being able to crack the complex meaning behind the K, X and D meaning in CPUs.
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characTooling
Suggestion for Stellaris testing: maybe try modded late games with mods such as New Ship Classes, Ancient Cache of Technology and Gigastructural Engineering at highest difficulty and 25x Crisis
These mods quite frankly pushes the game to its limits, billions of fleet power, thousands of ships engaging in battle, etc
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Suggestion for Stellaris testing: maybe try modded late games with mods such as New Ship Classes, Ancient Cache of Technology and Gigastructural Engineering at highest difficulty and 25x Crisis
These mods quite frankly pushes the game to its limits, billions of fleet power, thousands of ships engaging in battle, etc
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IvyEscapes
Not trying to nitpick or anything, but its interesting to hear GN say at 15:10 that the 14600k is as power hungry as the 7900X but is lower than the 7700X when the difference in power consumption between 14600k and 7900X is the same as the difference between 14600k and 7700x (about 26W difference).
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Not trying to nitpick or anything, but its interesting to hear GN say at 15:10 that the 14600k is as power hungry as the 7900X but is lower than the 7700X when the difference in power consumption between 14600k and 7900X is the same as the difference between 14600k and 7700x (about 26W difference).
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Phil
The letter frequency analysis is profound. But why limit it to just letters in the suffix? I think a comprehensive analysis is in order, across all letters in all CPU and GPU marketing names. Perhaps include letter frequencies from other languages besides English? For your international audience? (:
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The letter frequency analysis is profound. But why limit it to just letters in the suffix? I think a comprehensive analysis is in order, across all letters in all CPU and GPU marketing names. Perhaps include letter frequencies from other languages besides English? For your international audience? (:
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Tom
Yes setting expectation too high is definitely gonna end up in disappointment. Just like when a store says: buy before 23h and receive the next day, and you buy at 22h, choose that store specifically so you have it the next day, and than you don't. (Talking about Dutch Bax-Shop mainly)...
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Yes setting expectation too high is definitely gonna end up in disappointment. Just like when a store says: buy before 23h and receive the next day, and you buy at 22h, choose that store specifically so you have it the next day, and than you don't. (Talking about Dutch Bax-Shop mainly)...
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Viktor
Disturbing You made me think of sustainability and environmental impact K s are already scarce as is, and you proved it - what if Intel just carelessly uses/wastes them all?
The English language is going to suffer badly Can they somehow acquire and use K s from other languages?
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Disturbing You made me think of sustainability and environmental impact K s are already scarce as is, and you proved it - what if Intel just carelessly uses/wastes them all?
The English language is going to suffer badly Can they somehow acquire and use K s from other languages?
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