Intel Arc 2024 Revisit & Benchmarks (A750, A770, A580, A380 Updated GPU Tests)
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Date: 2024-02-19
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Sitharii
06:08 : The RTX3050 6GB Doesn’t count !!
A GPU which other very well known media outlets reviewed as the fastest pci-e gpu with no power-connector required for Steve is something that doesn’t count
Excuse me Steve but with my poor brain I believe that any product which achieves 1st place among some review-criteria ,such as the fastest slot-only powered GPU ,then it’s a product that at least deserves to be counted .
Unless you are a reviewer who doesn’t value power-consumption as a review-factor ,or you believe that the (as you said 02:55) peasants/poor have super-quality power-supplies installed in their systems or that the(as you said 02:55) peasants/poor don’t have the power-consumption among their purchase-criteria that’s why the RTX3050 doesn’t count , right Steve .
FYI from other media outlets that (fortunately) did count and reviewed the product , we see that the RTX3050 6GB destroys all the other existent only-slot powered GPUs ,such as the GTX1650 or the RX6400 ,which is something that counts by itself , since any 1st place could work as purchase-factor by certain customers , but apparently Steve doesn’t believe that..
P.S. HINT for the peasants/poor :
a card such as the promoted ARC A580 will cost the peasants around 200watt power-consumption while gaming but apparently peasants care only for the price they will pay once when they buy a product and not about the long-term sustained cost wow they must be some peasants indeed right Steve
P.S.2 : Do all peasants can afford systems with ReBar ALWAYS ON like Steve’s tests here ,in order for them to consider an ARC GPU if yes ,then they must be very high-end peasants indeed !!!
Last time I heard about ReBar ,is Tom Petersen saying to buyers that if they don’t have ReBar enabled to go buy an RTX3060 instead of ARC ,what about you Steve
Thanks for thinking about all those peasants out there Steve !!
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06:08 : The RTX3050 6GB Doesn’t count !!
A GPU which other very well known media outlets reviewed as the fastest pci-e gpu with no power-connector required for Steve is something that doesn’t count
Excuse me Steve but with my poor brain I believe that any product which achieves 1st place among some review-criteria ,such as the fastest slot-only powered GPU ,then it’s a product that at least deserves to be counted .
Unless you are a reviewer who doesn’t value power-consumption as a review-factor ,or you believe that the (as you said 02:55) peasants/poor have super-quality power-supplies installed in their systems or that the(as you said 02:55) peasants/poor don’t have the power-consumption among their purchase-criteria that’s why the RTX3050 doesn’t count , right Steve .
FYI from other media outlets that (fortunately) did count and reviewed the product , we see that the RTX3050 6GB destroys all the other existent only-slot powered GPUs ,such as the GTX1650 or the RX6400 ,which is something that counts by itself , since any 1st place could work as purchase-factor by certain customers , but apparently Steve doesn’t believe that..
P.S. HINT for the peasants/poor :
a card such as the promoted ARC A580 will cost the peasants around 200watt power-consumption while gaming but apparently peasants care only for the price they will pay once when they buy a product and not about the long-term sustained cost wow they must be some peasants indeed right Steve
P.S.2 : Do all peasants can afford systems with ReBar ALWAYS ON like Steve’s tests here ,in order for them to consider an ARC GPU if yes ,then they must be very high-end peasants indeed !!!
Last time I heard about ReBar ,is Tom Petersen saying to buyers that if they don’t have ReBar enabled to go buy an RTX3060 instead of ARC ,what about you Steve
Thanks for thinking about all those peasants out there Steve !!
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paulboyce8537
A770 in my opinion is the entry level 4k card. Yes it often comes a little behind in FPS but it also beat 4070ti in play-ability that had lot more FPS but lot of stutter. I'm clad this was pointed out on comparison with the frame time. I also would point out that AMD and Nvidia also have their games where they shine and upscaling is not available and for INTEL it makes it very hard.
But what I see this card will age like fine wine. We have APO in the pipeline that seems to be giving 10-50% gain for the Battlemage using 14th gen CPU. Of course it is going to take time but INTEL doesn't need to make another mid range GPU for a long time. I see A770 going way past 4060ti on paper and in performance as playable even higher.
I use my A770 for 4k and most are playable in mid and high settings. Some even with RT. The frame time seems to be the key that it doesn't need a huge FPS count.
Also for those that are interested in overclocking A770 is very easy.
2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W.
Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W.
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A770 in my opinion is the entry level 4k card. Yes it often comes a little behind in FPS but it also beat 4070ti in play-ability that had lot more FPS but lot of stutter. I'm clad this was pointed out on comparison with the frame time. I also would point out that AMD and Nvidia also have their games where they shine and upscaling is not available and for INTEL it makes it very hard.
But what I see this card will age like fine wine. We have APO in the pipeline that seems to be giving 10-50% gain for the Battlemage using 14th gen CPU. Of course it is going to take time but INTEL doesn't need to make another mid range GPU for a long time. I see A770 going way past 4060ti on paper and in performance as playable even higher.
I use my A770 for 4k and most are playable in mid and high settings. Some even with RT. The frame time seems to be the key that it doesn't need a huge FPS count.
Also for those that are interested in overclocking A770 is very easy.
2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W.
Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W.
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bleack8701
Overall, I believ Intel is more competent than AMD on the GPU side. Theyre still lacking, which is clear from the fact that some games flat out don't work, but the software has been improving consistently and they haven't messed up in any updates or announcements that I'm aware of. I wouldnt be surprised if in a few generations Intel either matches or begins to outpace AMD. Assuming they have good silicone in future generations and don't drop the ball.
Overall, on the GPU side Intel seems very competent. Which AMD definitely can't claim to be
You can see the difference in terms of RT performance on Intel being better than AMD and D having major blunders on the software and hardware side. Examples being the claims for thr 7900xtx performance or the new feature which got people banned.
The fact that Intel's first dedicated GPU with their first gen RT does better than AMD's RT shows exactly what I mean. It just highlights to me that they have a better base than AMD in both hardware and software.
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Overall, I believ Intel is more competent than AMD on the GPU side. Theyre still lacking, which is clear from the fact that some games flat out don't work, but the software has been improving consistently and they haven't messed up in any updates or announcements that I'm aware of. I wouldnt be surprised if in a few generations Intel either matches or begins to outpace AMD. Assuming they have good silicone in future generations and don't drop the ball.
Overall, on the GPU side Intel seems very competent. Which AMD definitely can't claim to be
You can see the difference in terms of RT performance on Intel being better than AMD and D having major blunders on the software and hardware side. Examples being the claims for thr 7900xtx performance or the new feature which got people banned.
The fact that Intel's first dedicated GPU with their first gen RT does better than AMD's RT shows exactly what I mean. It just highlights to me that they have a better base than AMD in both hardware and software.
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JetFixxxer
I'm not team red, green, or blue. I started with nvidia back in the 90's. When ATI released the 4870 I went over to team red. Stayed with team red until the 1080ti then went to green for a bit and went back to team red after my 2080. When Intel announce they were getting back into the GPU market. I was hoping that they would do well so the competition would lower prices. Even after the rumors about them not continuing with the GPU. I was disappointed as I always had intentions to eventually purchase an Intel GPU. When the reviews came out poorly against their GPU. I still had faith that they would get it right on the next gen. Wasn't expecting with a few driver updates that they turned it around.
I ended up getting a A770 16gb for my second computer. I haven't played any game with it, but use it at my as my DAW computer.
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I'm not team red, green, or blue. I started with nvidia back in the 90's. When ATI released the 4870 I went over to team red. Stayed with team red until the 1080ti then went to green for a bit and went back to team red after my 2080. When Intel announce they were getting back into the GPU market. I was hoping that they would do well so the competition would lower prices. Even after the rumors about them not continuing with the GPU. I was disappointed as I always had intentions to eventually purchase an Intel GPU. When the reviews came out poorly against their GPU. I still had faith that they would get it right on the next gen. Wasn't expecting with a few driver updates that they turned it around.
I ended up getting a A770 16gb for my second computer. I haven't played any game with it, but use it at my as my DAW computer.
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rebeccaschade3987
From a price to performance point of view in 2024, the higher end ARC models look pretty good, but honestly, that's not a good thing. The fact that ARC in 2024 struggles to keep up with a 2080 from 2018 is a bit sad, and it's even sadder that AMD and Nvidia mid range stuff also struggles with that. However, I don't really expect the market to get much better any time soon, so for those with older generation flagship cards, it's become a waiting game. When does something arrive, that offers meaningful performance uplift that doesn't cost 2000 dollars... OR that actually offers 2000 dollars worth of performance uplift Currently, that doesn't exist, but hopefully in a generation or two.
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From a price to performance point of view in 2024, the higher end ARC models look pretty good, but honestly, that's not a good thing. The fact that ARC in 2024 struggles to keep up with a 2080 from 2018 is a bit sad, and it's even sadder that AMD and Nvidia mid range stuff also struggles with that. However, I don't really expect the market to get much better any time soon, so for those with older generation flagship cards, it's become a waiting game. When does something arrive, that offers meaningful performance uplift that doesn't cost 2000 dollars... OR that actually offers 2000 dollars worth of performance uplift Currently, that doesn't exist, but hopefully in a generation or two.
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AlienInSider
I'm glad that ThermalGrizzly is investing in advertising!
But I think she is making a huge mistake investing in her disposable pads instead of the already proven reusable ones!
I use a reusable thermal pad, theirs, , now a second one because the old one for the AM4 just doesn't work for the AM5, except I'm thinking of the G series.
But this advantage, to buy a product that won't be usable when changing the CPU... And yes, I totally understand that it doesn't have the drawback of losing the thermal paste or liquid metal over time, but it's definitely disadvantageous over time, nonetheless!
I wish ThermalGrizzly would invest in the reusable pads they have and they are GOOD!
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I'm glad that ThermalGrizzly is investing in advertising!
But I think she is making a huge mistake investing in her disposable pads instead of the already proven reusable ones!
I use a reusable thermal pad, theirs, , now a second one because the old one for the AM4 just doesn't work for the AM5, except I'm thinking of the G series.
But this advantage, to buy a product that won't be usable when changing the CPU... And yes, I totally understand that it doesn't have the drawback of losing the thermal paste or liquid metal over time, but it's definitely disadvantageous over time, nonetheless!
I wish ThermalGrizzly would invest in the reusable pads they have and they are GOOD!
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WardenOfSouls
interesting, Starfield ran perfectly fine on 1440p with my A770. Maybe it's a bit inconsistant from card to card with that game Overall the Driver increases are pretty insane. Sometimes they even fix or add stuff that isn't even mentioned in the documentation. The latest driver changed how my display and the card work together, especially with HDR. Image looks a lot sharper now than before and i didnt change any settings at all.
Either Image Sharpening got improved or the compatibility with that specific Display. Im very happy with it and interested how the next gen will perform. If the pricing stays competitive i dont see any reason why i wouldnt buy an Intel Card again.
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interesting, Starfield ran perfectly fine on 1440p with my A770. Maybe it's a bit inconsistant from card to card with that game Overall the Driver increases are pretty insane. Sometimes they even fix or add stuff that isn't even mentioned in the documentation. The latest driver changed how my display and the card work together, especially with HDR. Image looks a lot sharper now than before and i didnt change any settings at all.
Either Image Sharpening got improved or the compatibility with that specific Display. Im very happy with it and interested how the next gen will perform. If the pricing stays competitive i dont see any reason why i wouldnt buy an Intel Card again.
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Meditations2024
For me, Radeon/AMD has obsoleted itself in the GPU space.
They clearly didn't anticipate either accelerated upscaling or accelerated RT.
Radeon has less computational power to do those tasks, which is why they hit bottlenecks in RT and their upscalers and frame generators have so much artifacting.
AMD chose to try to price match Nvidia based on rasterization performance & now they own only 3-4% of the new GPU market share. (7000 Vs 40 series, Steam Charts)
It wouldn't shock me at all to see Intel leapfrog AMD at some point. The future is RT and acceleration upscaling and they have a massive lead in that already....with their first graphics cards....
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For me, Radeon/AMD has obsoleted itself in the GPU space.
They clearly didn't anticipate either accelerated upscaling or accelerated RT.
Radeon has less computational power to do those tasks, which is why they hit bottlenecks in RT and their upscalers and frame generators have so much artifacting.
AMD chose to try to price match Nvidia based on rasterization performance & now they own only 3-4% of the new GPU market share. (7000 Vs 40 series, Steam Charts)
It wouldn't shock me at all to see Intel leapfrog AMD at some point. The future is RT and acceleration upscaling and they have a massive lead in that already....with their first graphics cards....
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FoxxFire
Even though I personally am shopping at the higher end due to what I do with my system, I enjoy these videos most. I know what components I need for me. However, I also have a teen who is getting into computers, and these are exactly the types of cards I would consider for her system. It is so darn reassuring to see what Intel's doing right now with its focus on supporting these cards. But we all know the deal. This is temporary. Intel wants to be at the higher price tier; I think we all understand that. Nonetheless, these cards are viable options for a budget-ish build today, and today is all we can really evaluate.
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Even though I personally am shopping at the higher end due to what I do with my system, I enjoy these videos most. I know what components I need for me. However, I also have a teen who is getting into computers, and these are exactly the types of cards I would consider for her system. It is so darn reassuring to see what Intel's doing right now with its focus on supporting these cards. But we all know the deal. This is temporary. Intel wants to be at the higher price tier; I think we all understand that. Nonetheless, these cards are viable options for a budget-ish build today, and today is all we can really evaluate.
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desmondbrown5508
I don't even have an Intel card but it's still quite frustrating seeing it be so inconsistent. Because these are in theory, cards that should be shaking things up quite a bit, but their lack of consistency and, I suspect, lack of legacy renderer support make them hard sells, even at the amazing prices relative to others. Like imagine a world where you could get 4060 Ti level performance and more memory for almost half that price and still play legacy games with no issues (I'm talking even old OpenGL versions, which is also important for lots of emulators and old games). But alas, we just aren't there yet.
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I don't even have an Intel card but it's still quite frustrating seeing it be so inconsistent. Because these are in theory, cards that should be shaking things up quite a bit, but their lack of consistency and, I suspect, lack of legacy renderer support make them hard sells, even at the amazing prices relative to others. Like imagine a world where you could get 4060 Ti level performance and more memory for almost half that price and still play legacy games with no issues (I'm talking even old OpenGL versions, which is also important for lots of emulators and old games). But alas, we just aren't there yet.
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Omizuke
I can't wait for Arc to be competitive. So I can get an nvidia at lower prices - average gamer.
Although I am considering AMD to be my next upgrade on the GPU side. I'm interested in the Intel's ones. On my previous build I still preferred using the intel integrated GPU for many media stuff. Intel QS is really good. And I have high hopes for their XeSS into potentially becoming a more direct to DLSS competitor. Once they get their... coding together they might be able to start implementing features that can rival nvidia's. Tho they gotta work on that power consumption. It is a big factor for me.
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I can't wait for Arc to be competitive. So I can get an nvidia at lower prices - average gamer.
Although I am considering AMD to be my next upgrade on the GPU side. I'm interested in the Intel's ones. On my previous build I still preferred using the intel integrated GPU for many media stuff. Intel QS is really good. And I have high hopes for their XeSS into potentially becoming a more direct to DLSS competitor. Once they get their... coding together they might be able to start implementing features that can rival nvidia's. Tho they gotta work on that power consumption. It is a big factor for me.
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bw4593
Thanks for the re-visit! The most surprising part of this review to me is just how poorly the nvidia 20 series cards have aged!!!! I’m so glad to see intel making so much progress, and I think I’m finally close to being able to recommend it to savvy enough friends on a budget! I hope they can get closer to the mid range of say 4070 or theoretical 5070 on their next launch and I will also switch from my insanely poor value 3069ti that I bought at the height of the GPU drought for $479 :/ The return tracing vs similarly priced cards is especially impressive to me.
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Thanks for the re-visit! The most surprising part of this review to me is just how poorly the nvidia 20 series cards have aged!!!! I’m so glad to see intel making so much progress, and I think I’m finally close to being able to recommend it to savvy enough friends on a budget! I hope they can get closer to the mid range of say 4070 or theoretical 5070 on their next launch and I will also switch from my insanely poor value 3069ti that I bought at the height of the GPU drought for $479 :/ The return tracing vs similarly priced cards is especially impressive to me.
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CalgarGTX
TIL theres a A310, I really wonder what that does over any recent iGPU, sounds like a waste of sand if I ever heard of one.
Kinda sad Intel is incapable of doing their tick-tock strategy anymore, at this point a die shrink refresh GDDR6 switch to 20Gbps instead of 17.5Gbps would bring 14% memory bandwidth along with solid GPU clock increases for the same power and really close the gap to the next tier of cards. Anywhere between a 3070 and a 3080 but with 16Gb so long term staying power for about 400$ range, wouldn't be totally amazing but kinda decent.
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TIL theres a A310, I really wonder what that does over any recent iGPU, sounds like a waste of sand if I ever heard of one.
Kinda sad Intel is incapable of doing their tick-tock strategy anymore, at this point a die shrink refresh GDDR6 switch to 20Gbps instead of 17.5Gbps would bring 14% memory bandwidth along with solid GPU clock increases for the same power and really close the gap to the next tier of cards. Anywhere between a 3070 and a 3080 but with 16Gb so long term staying power for about 400$ range, wouldn't be totally amazing but kinda decent.
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czdot
Lets be honest here. The torries have been in charge for like 15 years and the GB is truly spriraling down. The current left and right world is so far beyond regular discourse that being a centrist feels like a crime.
I do gave to complain about the climate, though. There is no good reason for my grandparent's backyard to get flooded once every 20 years instead of three times during one season Winter. It's February and we've only have snow for three weeks. The climate is messed up. If you don't see that, try to leave you ivory tower from time to time.
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Lets be honest here. The torries have been in charge for like 15 years and the GB is truly spriraling down. The current left and right world is so far beyond regular discourse that being a centrist feels like a crime.
I do gave to complain about the climate, though. There is no good reason for my grandparent's backyard to get flooded once every 20 years instead of three times during one season Winter. It's February and we've only have snow for three weeks. The climate is messed up. If you don't see that, try to leave you ivory tower from time to time.
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gamersnexus
What I would like GN to do is also compare the x26x/AV1 encoder performance to some of the other directly competing price point cards. This includes the output quality at say specifically common stream bitrate levels like 6000-8000
Because that may also help explaining the value of these cards.
I still hear reports the NVENC is still better, but never seen direct proof.
You could also take a peak at Linux driver performance. I believe they use i915 driver still with a experimental one in the pipes but not ready yet.
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What I would like GN to do is also compare the x26x/AV1 encoder performance to some of the other directly competing price point cards. This includes the output quality at say specifically common stream bitrate levels like 6000-8000
Because that may also help explaining the value of these cards.
I still hear reports the NVENC is still better, but never seen direct proof.
You could also take a peak at Linux driver performance. I believe they use i915 driver still with a experimental one in the pipes but not ready yet.
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lifelfe
NVIDIA used to have insane budget options which were better than even the top end offerings although the top end is where it's at. I'd argue it's all backwards right now. Luckily AMD happened to keep their eyes open on opportunities to contend with unfair tactics so it will even out eventually and everyone will benefit. As for Intel they've got a very long distance to go before it's a worthy contender, however Intel HD Graphics have always been good and capable, so it will get there at a certain point.
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NVIDIA used to have insane budget options which were better than even the top end offerings although the top end is where it's at. I'd argue it's all backwards right now. Luckily AMD happened to keep their eyes open on opportunities to contend with unfair tactics so it will even out eventually and everyone will benefit. As for Intel they've got a very long distance to go before it's a worthy contender, however Intel HD Graphics have always been good and capable, so it will get there at a certain point.
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StormFahrt
Good I'm happy to see Intel's' ARC catching up to put heat on AMD. I see Intel and AMD competing neck and neck next gen with low to mid range cards and being more popular due to Nvidia simply pricing them selves out of the gaming market. Since we poors don't wanna spend 50% more for maybe RT and their supposed quality when they focus on AI instead of gaming. GOOD BYE Nvidia! Can't say ill miss your overpriced a. Thanks Intel to making entry level...ENTRY level with price!!
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Good I'm happy to see Intel's' ARC catching up to put heat on AMD. I see Intel and AMD competing neck and neck next gen with low to mid range cards and being more popular due to Nvidia simply pricing them selves out of the gaming market. Since we poors don't wanna spend 50% more for maybe RT and their supposed quality when they focus on AI instead of gaming. GOOD BYE Nvidia! Can't say ill miss your overpriced a. Thanks Intel to making entry level...ENTRY level with price!!
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NoOne-yp1qe
I understand that those of us watching with subtitles are probably in a minority but it would be really nice if you could do something so that the relevant information is not covered by them. Maybe reverse your chart so that put the lower performing cards at the top of your charts and the higher at the bottom I mean RX 7900 XT/RTX 4060 Ti aren't exactly relevant in the budget level anyway but I understand why you included them. People would complain if you didn't haha.
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I understand that those of us watching with subtitles are probably in a minority but it would be really nice if you could do something so that the relevant information is not covered by them. Maybe reverse your chart so that put the lower performing cards at the top of your charts and the higher at the bottom I mean RX 7900 XT/RTX 4060 Ti aren't exactly relevant in the budget level anyway but I understand why you included them. People would complain if you didn't haha.
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JV-io3nn
My best GPUs are AMDs RX 7600 and 6600, but I did buy an Arc 750 for my X99 build. I'm currently playing Palworld and watching the system pull a steady 270w! Even though I dont think I have access to rebar or a gen 4 pcie slot, it performs very well and is quite impressive for the $200 that I paid for it.
I won't buy an Nvidia GPU (again), since I'm clearly not their target audience and they've made that quite clear. I also hate needing an account to update drivers.
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My best GPUs are AMDs RX 7600 and 6600, but I did buy an Arc 750 for my X99 build. I'm currently playing Palworld and watching the system pull a steady 270w! Even though I dont think I have access to rebar or a gen 4 pcie slot, it performs very well and is quite impressive for the $200 that I paid for it.
I won't buy an Nvidia GPU (again), since I'm clearly not their target audience and they've made that quite clear. I also hate needing an account to update drivers.
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RentaEric
Using my Intel Arc A770 as a dedicated Recording Streaming and Rendering GPU in my PCIE 4.0 x4 slot, second to my 4070 Super. After bios tweaks it run at 0 watts (all monitor ports plugged into 4070 Super). Wattage only goes up to 50-88 when I open OBS/Davinci Resolve, Gpu and Video Usage reach 50% when recording, and 90% when recording and streaming. So far in my tests the quality is excellent and in return I get higher performance out of my 4070 Super, which is nice.
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Using my Intel Arc A770 as a dedicated Recording Streaming and Rendering GPU in my PCIE 4.0 x4 slot, second to my 4070 Super. After bios tweaks it run at 0 watts (all monitor ports plugged into 4070 Super). Wattage only goes up to 50-88 when I open OBS/Davinci Resolve, Gpu and Video Usage reach 50% when recording, and 90% when recording and streaming. So far in my tests the quality is excellent and in return I get higher performance out of my 4070 Super, which is nice.
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