i5-10600K GPU Bottleneck Benchmark vs. 2080 Ti, 2070 Super, 2060 KO, 5700 XT, & More
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Date: 2020-06-04
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advil000
I love this content, but I'm feeling my satire soapbox rant coming on since the products still don't exist in the open market weeks after launch. I have to go recommend stuff to my clients that they can actually acquire. Plus there's the issue of cost/performance when you are dealing with near-unobtanium CPUs running a hundred or hundreds of dollars over MSRP. That pretty much means -ANYTHING- else is a better deal. I acquired exactly ONE 10700k on launch day and that was the last of the new hardware I ever saw outside of the useless 10400. But but but wait... at the moment there are also no good affordable X570 motherboards available anywhere legit. So it's hard as hell to even build a 3800 or 3900x system right now if you want to go AMD instead. And GOD HELP YOU if you need to build a high end system with ANY power supply over 600w bronze... because it's either OVER 200 or not available at all. Then there's the Corsair 650w I cracked open yesterday that has nasty random 3.3v spikes. But never fear! B450 boards with inadequate VRMs for high end cpus are available in quantity. So are SSDs and plenty of DDR4. Case availability is random and sketchy as hell. But don't worry. Intel has us covered. They just announced they've discontinued just about every consumer SKU up to the 8700k because all the new stuff is going to take up production from now on. Even though we can't get it. (Honestly, this is more satire than real rage but I am having a hell of time quoting for high end machines because the parts we really need for any build over a 3600x are pretty much entirely AWOL.) The 3600 processors are darn good, but when someone needs a heavy CAD machine or video editing beast or just WANTS something with more than 8 cores, this isn't adequate.
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I love this content, but I'm feeling my satire soapbox rant coming on since the products still don't exist in the open market weeks after launch. I have to go recommend stuff to my clients that they can actually acquire. Plus there's the issue of cost/performance when you are dealing with near-unobtanium CPUs running a hundred or hundreds of dollars over MSRP. That pretty much means -ANYTHING- else is a better deal. I acquired exactly ONE 10700k on launch day and that was the last of the new hardware I ever saw outside of the useless 10400. But but but wait... at the moment there are also no good affordable X570 motherboards available anywhere legit. So it's hard as hell to even build a 3800 or 3900x system right now if you want to go AMD instead. And GOD HELP YOU if you need to build a high end system with ANY power supply over 600w bronze... because it's either OVER 200 or not available at all. Then there's the Corsair 650w I cracked open yesterday that has nasty random 3.3v spikes. But never fear! B450 boards with inadequate VRMs for high end cpus are available in quantity. So are SSDs and plenty of DDR4. Case availability is random and sketchy as hell. But don't worry. Intel has us covered. They just announced they've discontinued just about every consumer SKU up to the 8700k because all the new stuff is going to take up production from now on. Even though we can't get it. (Honestly, this is more satire than real rage but I am having a hell of time quoting for high end machines because the parts we really need for any build over a 3600x are pretty much entirely AWOL.) The 3600 processors are darn good, but when someone needs a heavy CAD machine or video editing beast or just WANTS something with more than 8 cores, this isn't adequate.
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James
And for all the games that tend to get GPU bottlenecked, for which there seems to be quite a few, a 2080 Ti is a perfect pairing for the 10600K.
Back in the olden days, about 4 years ago, the top end Intel CPU for the typical home PC, was a 4 core/8 thread CPU, which was the perfect pairing for the best GPUs on the market, with price being the issue. Well, today a 6 core/12 thread CPU is STILL a perfect pairing with a top end GPU, irregardless of it not being the best CPU on the market, because for most games, they provide all the power you need, as long as the CPU has the speeds to drive it.
So, it's nice to see benchmarks, but it's also good to know what games you play, and if you'll really lose that much performance going from one CPU to another, and if losing 5% on a CPU that costs a lot less means it's not a good buy. I would say of COURSE it is.
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And for all the games that tend to get GPU bottlenecked, for which there seems to be quite a few, a 2080 Ti is a perfect pairing for the 10600K.
Back in the olden days, about 4 years ago, the top end Intel CPU for the typical home PC, was a 4 core/8 thread CPU, which was the perfect pairing for the best GPUs on the market, with price being the issue. Well, today a 6 core/12 thread CPU is STILL a perfect pairing with a top end GPU, irregardless of it not being the best CPU on the market, because for most games, they provide all the power you need, as long as the CPU has the speeds to drive it.
So, it's nice to see benchmarks, but it's also good to know what games you play, and if you'll really lose that much performance going from one CPU to another, and if losing 5% on a CPU that costs a lot less means it's not a good buy. I would say of COURSE it is.
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George
What these benchmarks tell me is that anyone buying a 2070S over 5700XT is either a) actually using ray tracing, b) got an amazing deal on a card or c) just likes to pay more for no discernible difference and has a brand loyalty. Because paying 2070S prices for the same effective level of performance as the 5700XT just seems...odd to me. I am
slowly growing more and more impressed with the 5700XT. There s not even the AMD driver excuse like there used to be. I would probably understand if there were a bunch of games that leverage RT today, but that s not even the case. Maybe power consumption? That s an argument. Although not for many. I d like to see Nvidia products more competitively priced, then I d definitely consider them over the AMD mid range.
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What these benchmarks tell me is that anyone buying a 2070S over 5700XT is either a) actually using ray tracing, b) got an amazing deal on a card or c) just likes to pay more for no discernible difference and has a brand loyalty. Because paying 2070S prices for the same effective level of performance as the 5700XT just seems...odd to me. I am
slowly growing more and more impressed with the 5700XT. There s not even the AMD driver excuse like there used to be. I would probably understand if there were a bunch of games that leverage RT today, but that s not even the case. Maybe power consumption? That s an argument. Although not for many. I d like to see Nvidia products more competitively priced, then I d definitely consider them over the AMD mid range.
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ChrisKadaver
I think these when does this cpu bottleneck this gpu and vise verse are sooo boring. You buy the cpu that puts out enough fps in the most competetive game you play, and then you adjust the graphical settings based on that so you make sure your cpu still is the bottleneck. This can probably be done with a RX 570 in most competetive games. Thats the baseline how you should think. If you want to play some AAA games on high settings you can get a more powerful GPU. But the thing is, those types of games are totally playable at 60fps. There's no need for more. If it doesn't hit 60, just tweak the settings. If the cpu can't hold 60fps the game was probably made with 30fps in mind from the developer.
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I think these when does this cpu bottleneck this gpu and vise verse are sooo boring. You buy the cpu that puts out enough fps in the most competetive game you play, and then you adjust the graphical settings based on that so you make sure your cpu still is the bottleneck. This can probably be done with a RX 570 in most competetive games. Thats the baseline how you should think. If you want to play some AAA games on high settings you can get a more powerful GPU. But the thing is, those types of games are totally playable at 60fps. There's no need for more. If it doesn't hit 60, just tweak the settings. If the cpu can't hold 60fps the game was probably made with 30fps in mind from the developer.
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Slayer666th
Man i know those tests are insane in depth but i feel like no one ever goes to the extent i would like it and do it myself if i had the money and plattform to do so.
I would love to see a real long term review of stuff like:
best mainboard + best GPU + best SSD + a processor of interest and testing every possible RAM configuration to find it s sweet spot.
or
best Mainboard + 3300X with it s best RAM + best SSD and finding out exactly where the cut of is GPU wise to find the build the best budget gaming PC
Would love to do that, are you hiring? :D
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Man i know those tests are insane in depth but i feel like no one ever goes to the extent i would like it and do it myself if i had the money and plattform to do so.
I would love to see a real long term review of stuff like:
best mainboard + best GPU + best SSD + a processor of interest and testing every possible RAM configuration to find it s sweet spot.
or
best Mainboard + 3300X with it s best RAM + best SSD and finding out exactly where the cut of is GPU wise to find the build the best budget gaming PC
Would love to do that, are you hiring? :D
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techmasterjoe
This is an idea for a video, test 1% and 0.1% lows of a 2060 ko and 2080 ti Compairing impact of smt ON or Off the core counts are getting so high now i wander what will happen,
I'm still rocking my 9900k golden sample from that German case designer ... holds 5.4ghz under water 0.25mm of the silicon has been machined away dropping temperatures 21c and all cores are within 2c. Ihs is a custom 99.3% silver block 16% bigger the stock ihs and a tighter fit to the pcb to help with socket pressure water block is a heatkiller copper block...
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This is an idea for a video, test 1% and 0.1% lows of a 2060 ko and 2080 ti Compairing impact of smt ON or Off the core counts are getting so high now i wander what will happen,
I'm still rocking my 9900k golden sample from that German case designer ... holds 5.4ghz under water 0.25mm of the silicon has been machined away dropping temperatures 21c and all cores are within 2c. Ihs is a custom 99.3% silver block 16% bigger the stock ihs and a tighter fit to the pcb to help with socket pressure water block is a heatkiller copper block...
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Samsonite
Is anyone seriously going to buy the 10600K to pair with minimum a 2080 Super to show any benefit in gaming over a 3700X that is much faster in everything else than gaming, or going the full step and getting the 10900K. I feel either alternative makes more sense from a cost/benefit point. Even though the 10900K is much more expensive but only if you look at the CPU only cost. The 10900K is faster stock than the OCed 10600K and as a total system cost the price difference isn't that big.
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Is anyone seriously going to buy the 10600K to pair with minimum a 2080 Super to show any benefit in gaming over a 3700X that is much faster in everything else than gaming, or going the full step and getting the 10900K. I feel either alternative makes more sense from a cost/benefit point. Even though the 10900K is much more expensive but only if you look at the CPU only cost. The 10900K is faster stock than the OCed 10600K and as a total system cost the price difference isn't that big.
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Dillon
This is my very first build and I hope it all works out in the end.
I have a I9-10900k, MSI MEG Z490 Gaming Carbon, Corsair Vengeance RGB 4 x 8gb = 32gb at 3200mh, M.2 Western Digital Black 500gb for OBS, Samsung 1tb for games and other, MSI Geforce rtx 2080 ti Gaming Trio, Corsair Hydro H115i 240mm, EVGA Super Nova G3 850w gold rated, 6 Corsair LL120, Corsair RGB light kit, all in the Corsair Crystal 570x TG.
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This is my very first build and I hope it all works out in the end.
I have a I9-10900k, MSI MEG Z490 Gaming Carbon, Corsair Vengeance RGB 4 x 8gb = 32gb at 3200mh, M.2 Western Digital Black 500gb for OBS, Samsung 1tb for games and other, MSI Geforce rtx 2080 ti Gaming Trio, Corsair Hydro H115i 240mm, EVGA Super Nova G3 850w gold rated, 6 Corsair LL120, Corsair RGB light kit, all in the Corsair Crystal 570x TG.
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Manjushri
Would you guys be able to test streaming related stuff with the new Intel CPUs compared to similarly price Ryzen or Ryzen+mobo combos? I am curious, tho with Nvidias encoder taking over most stuff and Ryzen being so good for the stuff content creators do outside of streaming i assume a Ryzen + Nvidia combo would win out overall, especially with platform pricing considerred etc?
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Would you guys be able to test streaming related stuff with the new Intel CPUs compared to similarly price Ryzen or Ryzen+mobo combos? I am curious, tho with Nvidias encoder taking over most stuff and Ryzen being so good for the stuff content creators do outside of streaming i assume a Ryzen + Nvidia combo would win out overall, especially with platform pricing considerred etc?
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smith
I've been using 4k for a few years now. I got it mainly for productivity (and it's great for that), but when I play games I'm typically at its full 4k res as well. So I think I'll upgrade when A) RTX 3--- series arrives and B) After evaluating AMD's Ryzen 3000 XT or 4000 chips. Hopefully by the end of this year, sick of being smart and waiting!
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I've been using 4k for a few years now. I got it mainly for productivity (and it's great for that), but when I play games I'm typically at its full 4k res as well. So I think I'll upgrade when A) RTX 3--- series arrives and B) After evaluating AMD's Ryzen 3000 XT or 4000 chips. Hopefully by the end of this year, sick of being smart and waiting!
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