Gemini Is What The Web Should Have Been DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Brian
The web started simple and got bloated over time. The bloat started with people who wanted to personalize their websites. Then people wanted dynamic content. Then people wanted interactive content. Then people wanted to monetize their sites. Then people wanted to data mine their users...
The same thing will happen to Gemini. Just look at the Gemini clients you presented. Aphora had color but the other one didnt. Yet another client was graphical and added themes and rich text. It's already starting to bloat and it hasn't even gotten off the ground. Soon enough, some new Gemini client will add their own special scripting tags within page comment tags to enable a richer experience on Gemini sites thar use them, while other clients will just ignore the comments. Then someone will want a more interactive site, so more special tags will be created and those sites that use them will add a note to users stating that this Gemini site is best viewed in the bloatware Gemini client.
Bloat is inevitable because people who shun conformity will want to make something different than what everyone else has.
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The web started simple and got bloated over time. The bloat started with people who wanted to personalize their websites. Then people wanted dynamic content. Then people wanted interactive content. Then people wanted to monetize their sites. Then people wanted to data mine their users...
The same thing will happen to Gemini. Just look at the Gemini clients you presented. Aphora had color but the other one didnt. Yet another client was graphical and added themes and rich text. It's already starting to bloat and it hasn't even gotten off the ground. Soon enough, some new Gemini client will add their own special scripting tags within page comment tags to enable a richer experience on Gemini sites thar use them, while other clients will just ignore the comments. Then someone will want a more interactive site, so more special tags will be created and those sites that use them will add a note to users stating that this Gemini site is best viewed in the bloatware Gemini client.
Bloat is inevitable because people who shun conformity will want to make something different than what everyone else has.
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Eda
Fascinating stuff. Seriously. I got on the web in 1992; way way before majority of my peers. And yes, it was gopher,. archie (that was my favourite)..ntp...the www was only about to come online. I remember the nascent of websites. Like Hex DSL said in his video - it was a more intimate web. There was a lot of crap early on too, but it certainly was not this bloatware we have presently. On present day web browser, like many here, I have all sorts of blockers on and it amazes me just how many calls to third party websites are being done, utterly slowing down the website from loading. No thanks; we do need better indeed. And don't get me started on privacy!
I will look into gemini. I will also look if there are other protocols and see if gemini is unique. It shall be a fun journey. I'm getting excited actually being a web? content generator once more....because I left it behind like 12 years ago, precisely because of this bloatware. It was like feeding a giant monster, just to get a tiny payback.
Cheers!
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Fascinating stuff. Seriously. I got on the web in 1992; way way before majority of my peers. And yes, it was gopher,. archie (that was my favourite)..ntp...the www was only about to come online. I remember the nascent of websites. Like Hex DSL said in his video - it was a more intimate web. There was a lot of crap early on too, but it certainly was not this bloatware we have presently. On present day web browser, like many here, I have all sorts of blockers on and it amazes me just how many calls to third party websites are being done, utterly slowing down the website from loading. No thanks; we do need better indeed. And don't get me started on privacy!
I will look into gemini. I will also look if there are other protocols and see if gemini is unique. It shall be a fun journey. I'm getting excited actually being a web? content generator once more....because I left it behind like 12 years ago, precisely because of this bloatware. It was like feeding a giant monster, just to get a tiny payback.
Cheers!
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Matt
I think that Gemini is awesome idea for people who love old school minimal internet content, but it wouldn't be much more bloated with support for other Markdown features like at least basic text formatting or just be 100% markdown with tables and stuff. But I understand that the idea was to make it as lightweight as possible to be able to read it on some obsolete hardware. I'm still very impressed that people really use it and there's quite a lot content out there to check out. I even tried different browsers and Amfora seems the best one. Nice default coloring and emoji support.
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I think that Gemini is awesome idea for people who love old school minimal internet content, but it wouldn't be much more bloated with support for other Markdown features like at least basic text formatting or just be 100% markdown with tables and stuff. But I understand that the idea was to make it as lightweight as possible to be able to read it on some obsolete hardware. I'm still very impressed that people really use it and there's quite a lot content out there to check out. I even tried different browsers and Amfora seems the best one. Nice default coloring and emoji support.
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codeartha
I like the idea of Gemini protocol as i do agree that the web is bloated, far too much so.
However i do feel that some media should be included. To me the ideal ballance between modern function and media is Wikipedia. Its largely text and static content, but it does include the occasional image, diagram, schematic, table, and sometimes even a short audio snippet like on the bio page of some bird where there sound is showed to allow persons to identify them. To me that is all we need, but having only text and links feels a little short in terms of functionality.
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I like the idea of Gemini protocol as i do agree that the web is bloated, far too much so.
However i do feel that some media should be included. To me the ideal ballance between modern function and media is Wikipedia. Its largely text and static content, but it does include the occasional image, diagram, schematic, table, and sometimes even a short audio snippet like on the bio page of some bird where there sound is showed to allow persons to identify them. To me that is all we need, but having only text and links feels a little short in terms of functionality.
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shawnh
Till it has images and video and sound support I can't see this taking off of me even trying it out. It's more like a book than a webpage. This needs a lot of work for the regular person to even consider it. Now doing it in html on a web structure that is not on the current google controlled web would catch on fast just blocking the big tech companies or search bots need blocking also. Even a not evil dark web type web without the TOR browser needed to access it safely.
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Till it has images and video and sound support I can't see this taking off of me even trying it out. It's more like a book than a webpage. This needs a lot of work for the regular person to even consider it. Now doing it in html on a web structure that is not on the current google controlled web would catch on fast just blocking the big tech companies or search bots need blocking also. Even a not evil dark web type web without the TOR browser needed to access it safely.
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Charles
4:30 when you mention getting sloppy with links, my first thought was the people who put links around consecutive words of a sentence and the links go to different pages. - I like the way -lynx -dump -stdin- handles links: it puts a bracketed number where each link starts and it lists all of the numbered links at the bottom of the page, making it easy to skim over all the links on the page, seek between the link and the anchor, etc.
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4:30 when you mention getting sloppy with links, my first thought was the people who put links around consecutive words of a sentence and the links go to different pages. - I like the way -lynx -dump -stdin- handles links: it puts a bracketed number where each link starts and it lists all of the numbered links at the bottom of the page, making it easy to skim over all the links on the page, seek between the link and the anchor, etc.
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Andrew
Gemini has what I feel are some shortfalls, but I can understand why soldrrpunk drew the line where they did. For a lot of people for non shopping purposes Gemini actually serves needs well.
Sure I wish there was a way to have user groups and forums in the Gemini space itself, but I can get the fact that level of complexity and purpose goes astray of the core 'serve txt pull information with links to otherbthings' purpose.
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Gemini has what I feel are some shortfalls, but I can understand why soldrrpunk drew the line where they did. For a lot of people for non shopping purposes Gemini actually serves needs well.
Sure I wish there was a way to have user groups and forums in the Gemini space itself, but I can get the fact that level of complexity and purpose goes astray of the core 'serve txt pull information with links to otherbthings' purpose.
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lloyd
IRC
TELNET
USENET
Would be nice to have a web portal to sites that don't need 16tb of memory running 128 cores on an I-99 xeon with a sidebus of 1 million megagigapetahertz . ... something thats simple that is for users, not businesses for profit ... I would say in the Era of 1992-1999 .... the Internet was a great place then
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IRC
TELNET
USENET
Would be nice to have a web portal to sites that don't need 16tb of memory running 128 cores on an I-99 xeon with a sidebus of 1 million megagigapetahertz . ... something thats simple that is for users, not businesses for profit ... I would say in the Era of 1992-1999 .... the Internet was a great place then
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Glurgi
I love the idea of Gopher/Gemini but without some sort of picture capability it will never go anywhere mainstream.
The flip side of that is that it's a great way to get away from the scrubs that already ruined the -normal- net ;)
Still, a non inline image would be a nice addition.
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I love the idea of Gopher/Gemini but without some sort of picture capability it will never go anywhere mainstream.
The flip side of that is that it's a great way to get away from the scrubs that already ruined the -normal- net ;)
Still, a non inline image would be a nice addition.
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David
Tell me if I'm wrong: this protocol won't even support (render as intended) LaTeX formulae since it's plain text based. It'll be awful if I have to use a different app only to view a math formula. Not only adds more key strokes, but also interrupts thinking.
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Tell me if I'm wrong: this protocol won't even support (render as intended) LaTeX formulae since it's plain text based. It'll be awful if I have to use a different app only to view a math formula. Not only adds more key strokes, but also interrupts thinking.
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