Hey, DT! Don't Show The Terminal To New Users.- (And Other Comments) DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Danny
I like your content DT - keep it up !
I would like to counter the point that the Linux kernel is more secure because it's FOSS - this is a misleading POV.
Take iOS vs Android as an example - I guarantee you that any professional security researcher will tell you the recent iPhones and iOS versions are just that much harder to find vulns in - this is also backed by the fact that iOS vulns sell for 2-4 times the market price of Android ones.
Having the source code available is a god send to any reverser - and often times the fact that a driver, subsystem or kernel is OSS (often just due to GPL mandating it to be) - is the exact cause of shady organizations finding (and not disclosing) vulnerabilities there.
Moreover, be more than assured that there are thousands of people working on the NT and MACH kernels - and unlike the OSS scene, they are organized and coordinated in a way a fully decentralized global contributors based project could never be.
There are pros and cons to being FOSS - as pertaining to security, one must balance both in the equation;
Remember that the Linux kernel, and low level code in general, is not in the comfort zone of most users nor programmers -
having tens of millions (and growing annually by the millions) LOC out there for everyone to see - does not assure security in any way.
Chances are there are corners in the Linux kernel less than a handful of people are actually familiar with;
Even better chances are that there are backdoors and purposely buggy code introduced by state agencies and bad actors, as it's that much easier to do so than to proprietary software.
A final point will be that a lot of the security features offered in Linux were in fact contributed and are maintained by big enterprises (including Microsoft), where it benefits them to add or improve Linux as it has widespread adoption in the datacenter space.
All in all, the Linux kernel is a great achievement - but stating it is more secure than proprietary kernels as a fact is both misleading and probably incorrect.
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I like your content DT - keep it up !
I would like to counter the point that the Linux kernel is more secure because it's FOSS - this is a misleading POV.
Take iOS vs Android as an example - I guarantee you that any professional security researcher will tell you the recent iPhones and iOS versions are just that much harder to find vulns in - this is also backed by the fact that iOS vulns sell for 2-4 times the market price of Android ones.
Having the source code available is a god send to any reverser - and often times the fact that a driver, subsystem or kernel is OSS (often just due to GPL mandating it to be) - is the exact cause of shady organizations finding (and not disclosing) vulnerabilities there.
Moreover, be more than assured that there are thousands of people working on the NT and MACH kernels - and unlike the OSS scene, they are organized and coordinated in a way a fully decentralized global contributors based project could never be.
There are pros and cons to being FOSS - as pertaining to security, one must balance both in the equation;
Remember that the Linux kernel, and low level code in general, is not in the comfort zone of most users nor programmers -
having tens of millions (and growing annually by the millions) LOC out there for everyone to see - does not assure security in any way.
Chances are there are corners in the Linux kernel less than a handful of people are actually familiar with;
Even better chances are that there are backdoors and purposely buggy code introduced by state agencies and bad actors, as it's that much easier to do so than to proprietary software.
A final point will be that a lot of the security features offered in Linux were in fact contributed and are maintained by big enterprises (including Microsoft), where it benefits them to add or improve Linux as it has widespread adoption in the datacenter space.
All in all, the Linux kernel is a great achievement - but stating it is more secure than proprietary kernels as a fact is both misleading and probably incorrect.
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Adam
I'm on Windows 10 and I was also concerned about Windows 11 so I've tried several distros for few months nd settled on Mint. I run Mint and 11 in VMs for a while. And I have to say Windows 11 can be decrapified to the point of being usable. It's basically fine if you tweak it to your liking. So I'll keep an eye on it for a year or so but it doesn't look like I'll be moving to Linux after all. I'm too attached to Adobe software:( Telemetry and other privacy violating features can be disabled.
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I'm on Windows 10 and I was also concerned about Windows 11 so I've tried several distros for few months nd settled on Mint. I run Mint and 11 in VMs for a while. And I have to say Windows 11 can be decrapified to the point of being usable. It's basically fine if you tweak it to your liking. So I'll keep an eye on it for a year or so but it doesn't look like I'll be moving to Linux after all. I'm too attached to Adobe software:( Telemetry and other privacy violating features can be disabled.
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Joel
I remember back when I was starting out with Linux, many sites I went to had the commands to install certain programs, as well as telling me to go open the app store and just download it from there (typically for Ubuntu). I, however, typed out the commands manually because I really wanted to get a feel for the system. If we hide the command line from new users, then they might not see any major pros to using Linux, and will hop back over to Windows. Showing the command line is essential.
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I remember back when I was starting out with Linux, many sites I went to had the commands to install certain programs, as well as telling me to go open the app store and just download it from there (typically for Ubuntu). I, however, typed out the commands manually because I really wanted to get a feel for the system. If we hide the command line from new users, then they might not see any major pros to using Linux, and will hop back over to Windows. Showing the command line is essential.
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itech
-Why many clicks when command do trick-. IMHO, the terminal should be the thing taught in schools about computers, the coreutils, mature utils at that! Everything related to text processing is very much mature and ready for everything on the terminal. Computers, as tools, as means for the ends, should be teached to be operated on the most efficient and fast way, which clicking around on a GUI mostly isn't. Is the terminal for everything, of course not.
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-Why many clicks when command do trick-. IMHO, the terminal should be the thing taught in schools about computers, the coreutils, mature utils at that! Everything related to text processing is very much mature and ready for everything on the terminal. Computers, as tools, as means for the ends, should be teached to be operated on the most efficient and fast way, which clicking around on a GUI mostly isn't. Is the terminal for everything, of course not.
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Luiz
Totally agree, DT. In the beginning I was afraid of the terminal and hesitate to change to linux during a long time. Yes, everything we don't know, we fear. But now, I prefer to use the terminal because it is so practical, efficient, fast to do things. Now I use terminal all the time. If I want to perform some task and have the option to choose between GUI and CLI, I will choose CLI. Congrats on your work, I enjoy your videos and learned a lot. Thanks!
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Totally agree, DT. In the beginning I was afraid of the terminal and hesitate to change to linux during a long time. Yes, everything we don't know, we fear. But now, I prefer to use the terminal because it is so practical, efficient, fast to do things. Now I use terminal all the time. If I want to perform some task and have the option to choose between GUI and CLI, I will choose CLI. Congrats on your work, I enjoy your videos and learned a lot. Thanks!
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Stefano
Hi Dt I have a big question will there come soon a Linux that will work on Macbook pro 2019 because I tried several Linux os. And yes I can install it but keyboard touchbar and bluetooth do not work. I have the big desire to wipe out macOS on my macbook pro and only use linux. I am a photographer so I am looking Ubuntu studio plasma ! I do know its the apple security T2 chip that is the problem. I dont know where to ask or find something about it !
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Hi Dt I have a big question will there come soon a Linux that will work on Macbook pro 2019 because I tried several Linux os. And yes I can install it but keyboard touchbar and bluetooth do not work. I have the big desire to wipe out macOS on my macbook pro and only use linux. I am a photographer so I am looking Ubuntu studio plasma ! I do know its the apple security T2 chip that is the problem. I dont know where to ask or find something about it !
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SilverFox
6:41 i don't know why people are afraid of the terminal, windows 11 has a terminal so does windows 10, and people aren't afraid to use it, i really don't get the fear of terminals in linux, maybe they look cooler and windows elitist's are upset, but you can't go through your day to day life without using a terminal, i have used the terminal a good amount this week on windows 11, have i turned into a hacker, yes i have
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6:41 i don't know why people are afraid of the terminal, windows 11 has a terminal so does windows 10, and people aren't afraid to use it, i really don't get the fear of terminals in linux, maybe they look cooler and windows elitist's are upset, but you can't go through your day to day life without using a terminal, i have used the terminal a good amount this week on windows 11, have i turned into a hacker, yes i have
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Markus
There where several moments in history to switch from Windows to Linux. My moment was Vista, but Windows 8 was also a point. But we are still under 3%. I don't think Windows 11 will change this significantly, even if a lot of users can't install it because they have a Ryzen 1000 or Core I 7000. They just stay at Win10 as long as possible and buy a new PC with Win11 in a few years
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There where several moments in history to switch from Windows to Linux. My moment was Vista, but Windows 8 was also a point. But we are still under 3%. I don't think Windows 11 will change this significantly, even if a lot of users can't install it because they have a Ryzen 1000 or Core I 7000. They just stay at Win10 as long as possible and buy a new PC with Win11 in a few years
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SimGunther
16:22 Doesn't matter what kind of learner you are, learn from both visuals and audio/text simultaneously.
All the learning in the world is like planting and caring for your food garden only to never eat the food you've raised. A little application of the basic knowledge followed by learning other stuff outside your horizon every day makes all the difference.
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16:22 Doesn't matter what kind of learner you are, learn from both visuals and audio/text simultaneously.
All the learning in the world is like planting and caring for your food garden only to never eat the food you've raised. A little application of the basic knowledge followed by learning other stuff outside your horizon every day makes all the difference.
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Nick
-Dont show the terminal to someone who doesnt have a technical background-
Wut. I never had a technical background when I started using the terminal. I still dont have a -technical background - if by background you mean formal comsci education or whatever, and I use terminal now almost exclusively. I dont use bash tho. I'm a fisherman at heart :)
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-Dont show the terminal to someone who doesnt have a technical background-
Wut. I never had a technical background when I started using the terminal. I still dont have a -technical background - if by background you mean formal comsci education or whatever, and I use terminal now almost exclusively. I dont use bash tho. I'm a fisherman at heart :)
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