Manjaro Chooses Proprietary Poo Vivaldi Over Free Software DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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Nova
I hate to be mean, but Firefox has done alot of things over the years that has made it almost completely unusable. It's not nearly as good as it used to be back before it switched to the Quantum engine, you can't customize it, many of the plugs that I used to use basically don't function anymore because FF took the API for them to run out entirely. That was even why I switched from it and over to Vivaldi. Vivaldi just offers WAY more in terms of customization than Firefox does (or really any other browser I've seen other than old Opera before it was brought out). I don't want Firefox to die but man, I really need it to pick up the pace, it needs to figure out -SOME- way of being capabilities with websites and add the heavy amount of customization it used to have. Both browsers run about the same (they both crash on my desktop because my machine's got an Nvidia card, which runs like an absolute dog >_>). My biggest gripe since switching back to Firefox (was giving it a try to see how well it runs on my system, as Vivaldi just kept crashing too much for me to bear, but Firefox's doing the same thing too so clearly it must be my GPU then) is not having the features (like window tiling and the extensive UI customization) like Vivaldi does and not being able to use the Join extension by joaoapps (I use it to share my webpages and clipboard across my devices seamlessly). Like, if Firefox can implement customization like Vivaldi, I can completely deal with not having access to the Join extension.
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I hate to be mean, but Firefox has done alot of things over the years that has made it almost completely unusable. It's not nearly as good as it used to be back before it switched to the Quantum engine, you can't customize it, many of the plugs that I used to use basically don't function anymore because FF took the API for them to run out entirely. That was even why I switched from it and over to Vivaldi. Vivaldi just offers WAY more in terms of customization than Firefox does (or really any other browser I've seen other than old Opera before it was brought out). I don't want Firefox to die but man, I really need it to pick up the pace, it needs to figure out -SOME- way of being capabilities with websites and add the heavy amount of customization it used to have. Both browsers run about the same (they both crash on my desktop because my machine's got an Nvidia card, which runs like an absolute dog >_>). My biggest gripe since switching back to Firefox (was giving it a try to see how well it runs on my system, as Vivaldi just kept crashing too much for me to bear, but Firefox's doing the same thing too so clearly it must be my GPU then) is not having the features (like window tiling and the extensive UI customization) like Vivaldi does and not being able to use the Join extension by joaoapps (I use it to share my webpages and clipboard across my devices seamlessly). Like, if Firefox can implement customization like Vivaldi, I can completely deal with not having access to the Join extension.
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Kwyjibo
It's fine to have an appreciation or preference for free and open source software. It's not fair to hold contempt for paid software though. People worked hard on that and they deserve to be paid for their product and ongoing support. You can state an opinion without insulting the product of someone's labor. Maybe if you were a software developer you'd have a real appreciation for the hard work that goes into a lot of this paid software. The notion that some people create free software, therefore any paid software is garbage is just asinine. Imagine telling someone who spent 4 years creating a video game that their game is garbage because they charge for it and don't release the source code for everyone else to use. If you think that's acceptable, then you probably need to get out of your bubble.
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It's fine to have an appreciation or preference for free and open source software. It's not fair to hold contempt for paid software though. People worked hard on that and they deserve to be paid for their product and ongoing support. You can state an opinion without insulting the product of someone's labor. Maybe if you were a software developer you'd have a real appreciation for the hard work that goes into a lot of this paid software. The notion that some people create free software, therefore any paid software is garbage is just asinine. Imagine telling someone who spent 4 years creating a video game that their game is garbage because they charge for it and don't release the source code for everyone else to use. If you think that's acceptable, then you probably need to get out of your bubble.
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ehh
This is why Linux is not yet main stream, the Vivaldi teem seems like honest good people, who make a damn good web browser, but because their licenses isn't perfectly FOSS enthusiasts treat them like they're google, a truly evil company. Yes you should have ethics around Linux, but when you're targeting people on your side who care about making a better tech space, but in a slightly different way to you then we all lose, why was free office shipped by default, kus we have generations of people raised on MS Office, that's not changing, and free office makes their life easier, if we are going to be obstinately against making it harder to switch to Linux then people won't switch, be realistic.
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This is why Linux is not yet main stream, the Vivaldi teem seems like honest good people, who make a damn good web browser, but because their licenses isn't perfectly FOSS enthusiasts treat them like they're google, a truly evil company. Yes you should have ethics around Linux, but when you're targeting people on your side who care about making a better tech space, but in a slightly different way to you then we all lose, why was free office shipped by default, kus we have generations of people raised on MS Office, that's not changing, and free office makes their life easier, if we are going to be obstinately against making it harder to switch to Linux then people won't switch, be realistic.
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Al
I expected manjaro's deviation from the libre software philosophy. So i am not surprised. Manjaro is in the hands of company. Starting harmless but sooner or later many companies follow their own interests and try to draw that power close to them by their grown influence. The same happened to ubuntu, github, google android and all sorts of open source projects led by companies.
People have to learn the difference between open source, free software and libre software. The achievement of GNU and the GPL license is essential to protect the interests of the community. I wished more people knew about those underlying principles of linux and how to protect it.
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I expected manjaro's deviation from the libre software philosophy. So i am not surprised. Manjaro is in the hands of company. Starting harmless but sooner or later many companies follow their own interests and try to draw that power close to them by their grown influence. The same happened to ubuntu, github, google android and all sorts of open source projects led by companies.
People have to learn the difference between open source, free software and libre software. The achievement of GNU and the GPL license is essential to protect the interests of the community. I wished more people knew about those underlying principles of linux and how to protect it.
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BlackWorm
I hate to disagree with you here Derek. Out of all the browsers, Vivaldi seems to be the most privacy oriented. The rest of em are backed by companies with questionable morals and agendas. As far as Vivaldi being proprietary, everything but the UI is open source. We all appreciate FOSS because we value our privacy and security. I don't know why Vivaldi isn't fully open source. I know that the founder of Vivaldi also founded the Opera Browser. So maybe there are legal reasons, like perhaps he's using UI elements licensed to Opera. Either way. I see this as a big nothing burger and I don't consider Vivaldi to be -proprietary garbage-.
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I hate to disagree with you here Derek. Out of all the browsers, Vivaldi seems to be the most privacy oriented. The rest of em are backed by companies with questionable morals and agendas. As far as Vivaldi being proprietary, everything but the UI is open source. We all appreciate FOSS because we value our privacy and security. I don't know why Vivaldi isn't fully open source. I know that the founder of Vivaldi also founded the Opera Browser. So maybe there are legal reasons, like perhaps he's using UI elements licensed to Opera. Either way. I see this as a big nothing burger and I don't consider Vivaldi to be -proprietary garbage-.
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Doug
I think distributions should ship with NO browser OR email client....or Office suite-or sour. It's just annoying.
OMG ! I don't even use arch !
-Hi. If you want to use interwebs you need a browser to get there.
Pick 2:
If you want something to do email other than on the innerwebz ?
Chose 1...or wait till later
Click to continue
Are you bombarded with spreadsheets, pfs ,docs and crap ?
You can do all that on that browzer thingie. But heres a list if you kinda know what you think you need.
My Gawd ! I sound like I'm promoting APTus or something....lol. Sparks are flying already ;-)
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I think distributions should ship with NO browser OR email client....or Office suite-or sour. It's just annoying.
OMG ! I don't even use arch !
-Hi. If you want to use interwebs you need a browser to get there.
Pick 2:
If you want something to do email other than on the innerwebz ?
Chose 1...or wait till later
Click to continue
Are you bombarded with spreadsheets, pfs ,docs and crap ?
You can do all that on that browzer thingie. But heres a list if you kinda know what you think you need.
My Gawd ! I sound like I'm promoting APTus or something....lol. Sparks are flying already ;-)
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Richard
I will use whatever is most effective for my use. I do not actually care if it is open source or not. I do not program, and I do not want to have to hack or otherwise jump through hoops to what should work anyways. Having said that, because they announced this I tried the Vivaldi browser on Windows. I like Chromium better. I still like Firefox but my favorite is still Google-s browser on both Linux based OS-s as well as Windows. I will say though, I love Manjaro KDE Plasma so far. I am building a new computer and Manjaro KDE Plasma is going to be my main OS.
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I will use whatever is most effective for my use. I do not actually care if it is open source or not. I do not program, and I do not want to have to hack or otherwise jump through hoops to what should work anyways. Having said that, because they announced this I tried the Vivaldi browser on Windows. I like Chromium better. I still like Firefox but my favorite is still Google-s browser on both Linux based OS-s as well as Windows. I will say though, I love Manjaro KDE Plasma so far. I am building a new computer and Manjaro KDE Plasma is going to be my main OS.
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Nurse
I hate Mozilla, and I like Vivaldi.
They honestly made a decent move. It is not likely that everything you use is open source. Plenty of people use iOS and Android for example, and both have lots of proprietary software.
Vivaldi is at least mostly open source, other than a few parts... and Vivaldi is also very configurable. Vivaldi doesn't do so much evil like Mozilla, like calling for more than deplatforming, collecting 400 million from evil tech giant Google, or fire 200+ employees for no good reason.
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I hate Mozilla, and I like Vivaldi.
They honestly made a decent move. It is not likely that everything you use is open source. Plenty of people use iOS and Android for example, and both have lots of proprietary software.
Vivaldi is at least mostly open source, other than a few parts... and Vivaldi is also very configurable. Vivaldi doesn't do so much evil like Mozilla, like calling for more than deplatforming, collecting 400 million from evil tech giant Google, or fire 200+ employees for no good reason.
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Nuclear
While i am a proponent of FOSS, calling Vivaldi -poo- and -garbage- is straight out ignorant and laughable. In fact, Vivaldi is a top level browser by all criteria. Not everything proprietary is bad by default. And your title is wrong, no official Manjaro edition shipped with Vivaldi, only a community-driven, unnofficial Cinnamon edition.
And of course, being a fork of Chromium, 93% of it is open source. Remaining 7% is user interface.
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While i am a proponent of FOSS, calling Vivaldi -poo- and -garbage- is straight out ignorant and laughable. In fact, Vivaldi is a top level browser by all criteria. Not everything proprietary is bad by default. And your title is wrong, no official Manjaro edition shipped with Vivaldi, only a community-driven, unnofficial Cinnamon edition.
And of course, being a fork of Chromium, 93% of it is open source. Remaining 7% is user interface.
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Tom
One man-s proprietary garbage is another man-s serious product with a professional development team. Subtleties aside, how many Linux zealots simply like free (as in beer) sh- -I mean- poo? The bell keeps ringing, and all I hear is disdain for devs with mortgages and lives. The -year of the Linux desktop- will be the year of the greedy little princesses who expect others to serve their whims for free. Just sayin-.
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One man-s proprietary garbage is another man-s serious product with a professional development team. Subtleties aside, how many Linux zealots simply like free (as in beer) sh- -I mean- poo? The bell keeps ringing, and all I hear is disdain for devs with mortgages and lives. The -year of the Linux desktop- will be the year of the greedy little princesses who expect others to serve their whims for free. Just sayin-.
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