Radeon VII review, GTX vs RTX laptops, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 84
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Date: 2022-03-15
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jinx20001
im not sure I understand why reviewers are missing the fact that clearly amd is really far behind tech wise, in order to get as close as they have to the 2080 they have had to go to 7nm, push this thing to the absolute limit out of the box, fans blaring, power requirement even higher than a vega 64 even at 7nm, all of this while nvidia is cruising along, no sweat, no worries, even going as far as to mock amd saying it wont beat a 2080 and when they switch on dlss it will smash the radeon at 4k, and on the evidence we do have that seems to be the case. the vega architecture is clearly not up to the standard turing is even at 7nm, amd should have just dropped the idea of radeon 7, its been so far nothing but another card that can only play catch up and not worry nvidia at all. suprises me this review was as glowing as it was to be honest, trying tobig up 16gb hbm2 like its a godsend for 4k while the 2080ti smashes the radeon 7 at 4k with 11gb of much slower memory sooo-. there goes that theory out the window. the consumer is paying more for memory it truly does not need in a gaming card. believe me when I say it im no nvidia fanboy, the prices are just outrageous and seem to be getting worse but once again ''waiting'' on amd to deliver has been a big let down. it all makes sense now why during the amd conference they had a whole 3 game slideshow to demonstrate the gaming chops of its next big gaming card.
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im not sure I understand why reviewers are missing the fact that clearly amd is really far behind tech wise, in order to get as close as they have to the 2080 they have had to go to 7nm, push this thing to the absolute limit out of the box, fans blaring, power requirement even higher than a vega 64 even at 7nm, all of this while nvidia is cruising along, no sweat, no worries, even going as far as to mock amd saying it wont beat a 2080 and when they switch on dlss it will smash the radeon at 4k, and on the evidence we do have that seems to be the case. the vega architecture is clearly not up to the standard turing is even at 7nm, amd should have just dropped the idea of radeon 7, its been so far nothing but another card that can only play catch up and not worry nvidia at all. suprises me this review was as glowing as it was to be honest, trying tobig up 16gb hbm2 like its a godsend for 4k while the 2080ti smashes the radeon 7 at 4k with 11gb of much slower memory sooo-. there goes that theory out the window. the consumer is paying more for memory it truly does not need in a gaming card. believe me when I say it im no nvidia fanboy, the prices are just outrageous and seem to be getting worse but once again ''waiting'' on amd to deliver has been a big let down. it all makes sense now why during the amd conference they had a whole 3 game slideshow to demonstrate the gaming chops of its next big gaming card.
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Modern
8: 36
He's so full of shit.
Every single review I've watched show the RTX 2080 has an overall 8-10% FPS lead over the Radeon VII.
Equal gaming performance my ass!
And this idiot is another one of these fools that seems to think 16GB of VRAM will make a difference in 4k gaming on the Radeon VII.
The fact is to get above 8GB of VRAM usage, you have to max out the settings at 4k on a couple of AAA games.
When you do that, sure you might go above 8GB or VRAM usage, but the Radeon VII GPU simply isn't able to render the images at an acceptable framerate.
So while you're sitting there shouting -Look mom, I'm using 10GB of VRAM-, you're watching a f---ing BF5 slideshow!
Seriously, who wants to game at 40 FPS just to try to prove that 16GB of HMB2 was worth putting on there? It's so retarded.
GPU rendering capability becomes an issue long before the lack of VRAM does.
Nvidia aren't idiots, they know this. That's the reason the 2080 has 8GB and the 2080 Ti has 12GB.
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8: 36
He's so full of shit.
Every single review I've watched show the RTX 2080 has an overall 8-10% FPS lead over the Radeon VII.
Equal gaming performance my ass!
And this idiot is another one of these fools that seems to think 16GB of VRAM will make a difference in 4k gaming on the Radeon VII.
The fact is to get above 8GB of VRAM usage, you have to max out the settings at 4k on a couple of AAA games.
When you do that, sure you might go above 8GB or VRAM usage, but the Radeon VII GPU simply isn't able to render the images at an acceptable framerate.
So while you're sitting there shouting -Look mom, I'm using 10GB of VRAM-, you're watching a f---ing BF5 slideshow!
Seriously, who wants to game at 40 FPS just to try to prove that 16GB of HMB2 was worth putting on there? It's so retarded.
GPU rendering capability becomes an issue long before the lack of VRAM does.
Nvidia aren't idiots, they know this. That's the reason the 2080 has 8GB and the 2080 Ti has 12GB.
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Alican
While arguing about if you should buy this card, all of you only think about 10 series cards. and compare to those. What about older generations? I can't upgrade every generation, don't have money for that. Can't make enough money with 250$ per monthly pay checks for my work to upgrade every year. I'm still rocking 980 ti for past 3-4 years now.
It might be the same thing for you for past 2 years, same price/performance, and you get cards free for reviews or earn enough money to buy one every generation ( God Bless I hope you make more money. I don't have your luxuries, thus When is the next gen then? They don't give updates to us, public, about their development progress. Am I going to wait another 2 year for Navi and whatever nvidia cooks up?
Already have 4K monitor, and 980 ti was good back then. Can't keep up now though.
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While arguing about if you should buy this card, all of you only think about 10 series cards. and compare to those. What about older generations? I can't upgrade every generation, don't have money for that. Can't make enough money with 250$ per monthly pay checks for my work to upgrade every year. I'm still rocking 980 ti for past 3-4 years now.
It might be the same thing for you for past 2 years, same price/performance, and you get cards free for reviews or earn enough money to buy one every generation ( God Bless I hope you make more money. I don't have your luxuries, thus When is the next gen then? They don't give updates to us, public, about their development progress. Am I going to wait another 2 year for Navi and whatever nvidia cooks up?
Already have 4K monitor, and 980 ti was good back then. Can't keep up now though.
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Wesley
Microsoft has a vision where in the future all of their OS's are built upon a single core, called CoreOS. This will be the starting point for each of their platforms, with a GUI frontend on top of that core depending upon the platform.
So my theory is that Xbox will slowly fade into a GUI frontend and the hardware will become irreverent. At that point i believe much like the PC there will be a plethora of manufactures who can build these xbox stream devices and that you will be able to also use this GUI frontend on PCs kind of like Steam's big picture mode. Grab a controller, hit the Xbox button and bam your Windows 10 PC has morphed itself into an Xbox. I honestly do think that the hardware will become irreverent and that it will be all about what GUI frontend you are running because in essence they are all the same OS
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Microsoft has a vision where in the future all of their OS's are built upon a single core, called CoreOS. This will be the starting point for each of their platforms, with a GUI frontend on top of that core depending upon the platform.
So my theory is that Xbox will slowly fade into a GUI frontend and the hardware will become irreverent. At that point i believe much like the PC there will be a plethora of manufactures who can build these xbox stream devices and that you will be able to also use this GUI frontend on PCs kind of like Steam's big picture mode. Grab a controller, hit the Xbox button and bam your Windows 10 PC has morphed itself into an Xbox. I honestly do think that the hardware will become irreverent and that it will be all about what GUI frontend you are running because in essence they are all the same OS
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Giovanni
As GPU's get more expensive and where you have options weighing up other uses for a Graphics card- other than games is a good thing. Multiple monitors- people using their home TV as a 'Movie' monitor while using another screen for gaming and another for comms and data. With more and more cores in CPU's running all these things and doing work could be the future- especially as prices get higher and disposable income gets less.
The Radeon 7- would a 3rd party be waiting for PCIe 4 MBs before releasing pumped up versions which can run just off the motherboard?
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As GPU's get more expensive and where you have options weighing up other uses for a Graphics card- other than games is a good thing. Multiple monitors- people using their home TV as a 'Movie' monitor while using another screen for gaming and another for comms and data. With more and more cores in CPU's running all these things and doing work could be the future- especially as prices get higher and disposable income gets less.
The Radeon 7- would a 3rd party be waiting for PCIe 4 MBs before releasing pumped up versions which can run just off the motherboard?
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Aby
the amd card will manage view ports with tens of million polygons where the nvidia card wont, also, because of the brute computer power, even running VRay with openCL will be as good as running cuda if not much faster. that neing said we will e teh true AMD 7 NM gpus with twice as much perfomance in JUNE when they wil start releasing all their PCIE 4. 0 new gen products. i will not to be surprised if we gonna see twice TITAN RTX performance being delivered by amd this summer at less than half the cost of a 2080ti
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the amd card will manage view ports with tens of million polygons where the nvidia card wont, also, because of the brute computer power, even running VRay with openCL will be as good as running cuda if not much faster. that neing said we will e teh true AMD 7 NM gpus with twice as much perfomance in JUNE when they wil start releasing all their PCIE 4. 0 new gen products. i will not to be surprised if we gonna see twice TITAN RTX performance being delivered by amd this summer at less than half the cost of a 2080ti
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Mike
Graphics are fast enough when I can do 4k, ultra details, at 120fps, for $400. Then build your new technology doodads into the cards.
Phantom features and price points that don't move don't impress me.
Where is the faster performance for cheaper? What's the deal?
I hope Intel kicks both of the majors in the nuts and steals the mid cards from them. Because there has been no product offerings in that space for over 2 years now. It will be 3 until we see something.
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Graphics are fast enough when I can do 4k, ultra details, at 120fps, for $400. Then build your new technology doodads into the cards.
Phantom features and price points that don't move don't impress me.
Where is the faster performance for cheaper? What's the deal?
I hope Intel kicks both of the majors in the nuts and steals the mid cards from them. Because there has been no product offerings in that space for over 2 years now. It will be 3 until we see something.
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xyz360400
There are 2 reasons Radeon VII has 16GB of VRAM, neither of which has anything to do with -future-proofing- or content creation. 1. Vega is STARVED for memory bandwidth (this is why, when overclocking Vega 56 it gains far more from overclocking the memory than overclocking the core) and having 4 stacks of HBM2 on the chip boosts the VRAM throughput/speed (as can be seen by the specs) and 2. because it is just a Radeon Instinct, which itself has the same 16GB of HBM2.
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There are 2 reasons Radeon VII has 16GB of VRAM, neither of which has anything to do with -future-proofing- or content creation. 1. Vega is STARVED for memory bandwidth (this is why, when overclocking Vega 56 it gains far more from overclocking the memory than overclocking the core) and having 4 stacks of HBM2 on the chip boosts the VRAM throughput/speed (as can be seen by the specs) and 2. because it is just a Radeon Instinct, which itself has the same 16GB of HBM2.
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Integer0verload
Adam, Gordon, Alaina, Brad if you guys get a hands on review of the HP omen 65- bfgd g-sync monitor can you test 2160x1440 resolution please? It is basically a Samsung q9fn television and my Samsung 55Q8FN supports 2160x1440 when GAME MODE is on but this is not listed in the specs. I would appreciate it greatly. Seems weird they would go from 4k to 1080p with nothing in between. Appreciate you all very much.
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Adam, Gordon, Alaina, Brad if you guys get a hands on review of the HP omen 65- bfgd g-sync monitor can you test 2160x1440 resolution please? It is basically a Samsung q9fn television and my Samsung 55Q8FN supports 2160x1440 when GAME MODE is on but this is not listed in the specs. I would appreciate it greatly. Seems weird they would go from 4k to 1080p with nothing in between. Appreciate you all very much.
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Dean
Dlss profile will remove memory limit of 4K high textures on rtx 2080 if of course the devs have their games run through Nvidia-s data centre for a profile to do it as 4K will be 1440p under the hood. Note rtx 2080 and Radeon 7 in well implemented dx12 and Vulcan pull away but not all games have gone past dx11 even when using unreal 4
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Dlss profile will remove memory limit of 4K high textures on rtx 2080 if of course the devs have their games run through Nvidia-s data centre for a profile to do it as 4K will be 1440p under the hood. Note rtx 2080 and Radeon 7 in well implemented dx12 and Vulcan pull away but not all games have gone past dx11 even when using unreal 4
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