RTX on GTX, Intel graphics, Comet Lake rumors, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 88
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Date: 2022-03-15
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magottyk
Notice how a lot of the newer technologies are all about downgrading IQ to boost performance. Variable Rate Shading (VRS) is all about cheating the system just enough so that people don't notice.
How do you benchmark GPU's that rely on cheating the selected resolution and image quality settings to gain performance. It's been an ongoing thing regarding the output image quality of various GPU's in the market, while it's not at the forefront of most benchmark commentaries it does come up from time to time. A long ongoing example is Nvidia's defaulting to limited RGB on its graphics cards that most commentators and the general public seem totally ignorant on.
We've also seen examples in some games where objects are culled from being rendered depending on gpu load making direct benchmarking almost meaningless in certain circumstances.
Variable rate shading is going to be one of these technologies where a more aggressive implementation will gain you performance but at a cost to IQ that's likely to go unmentioned. How much of this will be always on in the background even when turned off in settings.
4k 144Hz but with only 50% rendered native, how about a tweak to 45%. What about corners at 1080p upscaled instead of 1440p with -game optimised- drivers.
While VRS will be overall a benefit to gaming in general, it's going to make direct performance benchmarking somewhat obsolete unless there's some kind of guarantee that hardware manufacturers cannot cheat the benchmarks with driver tweaking. While the ideal might be -indistinguishable in quality-, there is a line where it will be noticeable. I hope that IQ scrutiny will become a part of benchmarking once VRS goes mainstream, otherwise we'll all be trading off IQ for performance. It's not so much about the end user -experience- but about keeping the bastards honest.
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Notice how a lot of the newer technologies are all about downgrading IQ to boost performance. Variable Rate Shading (VRS) is all about cheating the system just enough so that people don't notice.
How do you benchmark GPU's that rely on cheating the selected resolution and image quality settings to gain performance. It's been an ongoing thing regarding the output image quality of various GPU's in the market, while it's not at the forefront of most benchmark commentaries it does come up from time to time. A long ongoing example is Nvidia's defaulting to limited RGB on its graphics cards that most commentators and the general public seem totally ignorant on.
We've also seen examples in some games where objects are culled from being rendered depending on gpu load making direct benchmarking almost meaningless in certain circumstances.
Variable rate shading is going to be one of these technologies where a more aggressive implementation will gain you performance but at a cost to IQ that's likely to go unmentioned. How much of this will be always on in the background even when turned off in settings.
4k 144Hz but with only 50% rendered native, how about a tweak to 45%. What about corners at 1080p upscaled instead of 1440p with -game optimised- drivers.
While VRS will be overall a benefit to gaming in general, it's going to make direct performance benchmarking somewhat obsolete unless there's some kind of guarantee that hardware manufacturers cannot cheat the benchmarks with driver tweaking. While the ideal might be -indistinguishable in quality-, there is a line where it will be noticeable. I hope that IQ scrutiny will become a part of benchmarking once VRS goes mainstream, otherwise we'll all be trading off IQ for performance. It's not so much about the end user -experience- but about keeping the bastards honest.
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fran
Intel need to have a strong flagship card on par or better than amd/nvidia. Just releasing good price/performance cards wont be enough, nvidia/amd will just lower their prices and everyone will just buy nvidia cards. They need to be well known as a strong competitor, they need to have something to compete with titan, even if no ones gonna buy them. Its the reputation/mindshare that counts. The geforce name is what sticks on the mind of your typical fortnite gamer because of streamers/influencers who buys top of the line. AMD had really good price/performance cards FOR YEARS, and people still buying nvidia cards.
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Intel need to have a strong flagship card on par or better than amd/nvidia. Just releasing good price/performance cards wont be enough, nvidia/amd will just lower their prices and everyone will just buy nvidia cards. They need to be well known as a strong competitor, they need to have something to compete with titan, even if no ones gonna buy them. Its the reputation/mindshare that counts. The geforce name is what sticks on the mind of your typical fortnite gamer because of streamers/influencers who buys top of the line. AMD had really good price/performance cards FOR YEARS, and people still buying nvidia cards.
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bob
laptops will have an 8 cor i7 and 6 core i5. desktop 10 core will be 10 core i9 with ht, 10 core i7 with no ht and i5 will be 6 core 12 thread. the 10 core parts might have no igpu or have models with no igpu and then others with igpu on seperate die. its possible that there wont be an i9 and the 10 core with ht will be i7 and the 10 core with no ht will be i5 and the 6 core will be i3
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laptops will have an 8 cor i7 and 6 core i5. desktop 10 core will be 10 core i9 with ht, 10 core i7 with no ht and i5 will be 6 core 12 thread. the 10 core parts might have no igpu or have models with no igpu and then others with igpu on seperate die. its possible that there wont be an i9 and the 10 core with ht will be i7 and the 10 core with no ht will be i5 and the 6 core will be i3
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fbi
-11: 18 why don't you say it like it is? RTX-tech can be done in software and done very good, even better than hows it's on RTX hardware, or to put it another way, release RTX-tech was written pooooorly in software for the RTX hardware because the hardware was rush to market to make sure AMD & Intel does not put it out first, which both will have using tech from DX12.
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-11: 18 why don't you say it like it is? RTX-tech can be done in software and done very good, even better than hows it's on RTX hardware, or to put it another way, release RTX-tech was written pooooorly in software for the RTX hardware because the hardware was rush to market to make sure AMD & Intel does not put it out first, which both will have using tech from DX12.
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csx296
I think Comet Lake is Intel preparing to combat Zen 2 parts. If the rumours are true and it's hitting close to 5ghz on the higher end parts Intel is in trouble, especially considering the Ryzen 3 parts are going to be 6 core. I think Intel will have to follow suit and bump the core count again. I3 6 core, I5 8 core, i7 8 core + HT, I9 10 core + HT is my prediction
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I think Comet Lake is Intel preparing to combat Zen 2 parts. If the rumours are true and it's hitting close to 5ghz on the higher end parts Intel is in trouble, especially considering the Ryzen 3 parts are going to be 6 core. I think Intel will have to follow suit and bump the core count again. I3 6 core, I5 8 core, i7 8 core + HT, I9 10 core + HT is my prediction
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Andrei
Intel Graphics = Intel bringing more corruption and shady practices against AMD. Intel will try to get a foothold into the GPU market by completely sabotaging RTG; they will not take on Nvidia.
Thus, my prediction is that Intel will make it even more difficult for gamers and push AMD into the professional market only, like it happened to Matrox.
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Intel Graphics = Intel bringing more corruption and shady practices against AMD. Intel will try to get a foothold into the GPU market by completely sabotaging RTG; they will not take on Nvidia.
Thus, my prediction is that Intel will make it even more difficult for gamers and push AMD into the professional market only, like it happened to Matrox.
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foff
Alaina great points on what Intel could do, nevertheless Gordon's point that Intel needs to build credibility and that should be enough to promote or establish their products in the market. Intel could just mirror what they do with cpu's, monopolise oem and laptops and make trophy high end parts, even when they cannot guarantee availability.
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Alaina great points on what Intel could do, nevertheless Gordon's point that Intel needs to build credibility and that should be enough to promote or establish their products in the market. Intel could just mirror what they do with cpu's, monopolise oem and laptops and make trophy high end parts, even when they cannot guarantee availability.
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TheDarthTux
my spidey senses tell me everyone is going to be wrong about ray tracing and RTX. Ray tracing is just maths so any card able to efficiently do the compute should be able to do well. Meaning Vega, in theory at least, should be able to challenge the RTX cards based on optimization of the open drx or other standard no?
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my spidey senses tell me everyone is going to be wrong about ray tracing and RTX. Ray tracing is just maths so any card able to efficiently do the compute should be able to do well. Meaning Vega, in theory at least, should be able to challenge the RTX cards based on optimization of the open drx or other standard no?
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IdealSound
Hey. those look like Sony 7509s? Or they 7506s? I have been looking for a pair since mine were stolen like 10 years ago. I can't find ANYWHERE but always see them in videos! Of course 7506s are available on Amazon even. Any ideas where I can get a pair if they are?
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Hey. those look like Sony 7509s? Or they 7506s? I have been looking for a pair since mine were stolen like 10 years ago. I can't find ANYWHERE but always see them in videos! Of course 7506s are available on Amazon even. Any ideas where I can get a pair if they are?
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itech
Actually, Battle Star Galactica uses phones because they're supposed to be the last analog ship in the fleet and was supposed to be decommissioned, but the attack happened. They survived the network hack because they were old school. Now, onto the topics.
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Actually, Battle Star Galactica uses phones because they're supposed to be the last analog ship in the fleet and was supposed to be decommissioned, but the attack happened. They survived the network hack because they were old school. Now, onto the topics.
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