Threadripper 3 rumors, Destiny 2 on Ryzen, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 101
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Nocturnal101
Self learning is a billion times more valuable than institutional learning, especially in the tech field where the industry was founded by garage and basement warriors and fortified by armchair programmers.
All inst. learning provides on the side of programming is same old same old repeating the same lazy shortcuts and wasted repeated code techniques that for the most part were outdated 20-30 years ago with the same mistakes being retaught, Its partially the reason why AMD and Intel have been complaining about lazy programmers not using modern instruction sets and mucking things up since early Itanium days and it is partially the reason why we keep seeing games and engines that are horrendous with resources utilizing 30-50% GPU utilization while maxing 1-4 Cores/Threads at above 95% Utilization with abnormally lower FPS than what should be with the present level of graphical fidelity at a given resolution(looking at you Blizzard- SC2/D3/Overwatch are abominations from a technical standpoint.
Hardware wise, its all hands on, and when you need to understand something you either do research, or self learn things through technical articles, I still remember the old -White Paper- section of Maximum PC, AnandTech, Tom'sHardware, HardOCP, ect. ect. that were great resources to teach you things you never expected to learn about to gain a much wider view of the overall field sometimes at a micro level. These days its almost all -YouTube- with people like Jim from AdoredTV, LinusTech, IJustine, HardwareCanuks, JaytwoCents, Dave Lee, DigitalFoundry, GamersNexus, and of course PCWorld.
At worst these days you head to Barnes and Nobles and buy the book and teach yourself or take an online course or a single course at a community college/Tech school for specific equipment. At what point do colleges/universities become obsolete in specific fields? Buy and screw around with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino and you are probably more qualified than the guy who just graduated college.
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Its ironic in that respect I think almost everyonet had the Mom or Grandma(or relative) that told you too much TV will rot your brain, you almost wonder what they would say about YouTube and the Internet basically consuming Newspapers, Magazines, Education
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Self learning is a billion times more valuable than institutional learning, especially in the tech field where the industry was founded by garage and basement warriors and fortified by armchair programmers.
All inst. learning provides on the side of programming is same old same old repeating the same lazy shortcuts and wasted repeated code techniques that for the most part were outdated 20-30 years ago with the same mistakes being retaught, Its partially the reason why AMD and Intel have been complaining about lazy programmers not using modern instruction sets and mucking things up since early Itanium days and it is partially the reason why we keep seeing games and engines that are horrendous with resources utilizing 30-50% GPU utilization while maxing 1-4 Cores/Threads at above 95% Utilization with abnormally lower FPS than what should be with the present level of graphical fidelity at a given resolution(looking at you Blizzard- SC2/D3/Overwatch are abominations from a technical standpoint.
Hardware wise, its all hands on, and when you need to understand something you either do research, or self learn things through technical articles, I still remember the old -White Paper- section of Maximum PC, AnandTech, Tom'sHardware, HardOCP, ect. ect. that were great resources to teach you things you never expected to learn about to gain a much wider view of the overall field sometimes at a micro level. These days its almost all -YouTube- with people like Jim from AdoredTV, LinusTech, IJustine, HardwareCanuks, JaytwoCents, Dave Lee, DigitalFoundry, GamersNexus, and of course PCWorld.
At worst these days you head to Barnes and Nobles and buy the book and teach yourself or take an online course or a single course at a community college/Tech school for specific equipment. At what point do colleges/universities become obsolete in specific fields? Buy and screw around with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino and you are probably more qualified than the guy who just graduated college.
Side Note -
Its ironic in that respect I think almost everyonet had the Mom or Grandma(or relative) that told you too much TV will rot your brain, you almost wonder what they would say about YouTube and the Internet basically consuming Newspapers, Magazines, Education
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Toms
TR3 rumor exists to show off the 16 core minimum SKU with 1 core per CCX, They can't disable it any more than that.
It will however top out at 32cores, This is because the architecture improvements and UMA availability are reason enough to upgrade, no one is going to say -oh dear only 32 cores big deal- when its so much faster (15%) than a 2990wx and doesn't have memory limitations and draws less power. It also gives amd something to upgrade to with TR4 with improvements to the architecture and clock speeds and cores.
Think about it, you're AMD. you've just launched 64core TR3, congratulations.
What are you going to do in 12 months with TR4?
You can't add any more cores, Your architecture is only a refinement with slightly faster clocks but its not a huge leap forward, You're appearing to lose momentum and reading articles like -the slowing of amd-, you want that?
No you release a much faster much better optimised 32 core with lower power and unified memory so anyone on 1950x's now have a significant upgrade path and you still have room to grow next year so you don't put yourself in a corner.
Its REALLY not that hard folks.
Then in 2021 on zen4 we get a whole new thing again, new sockets and architecture on -5nm- (not even close) we get smaller chiplets on active interposers a bit like HBM on furyX.
Ryzen sees up to 32 cores (4 chiplets on a silicon substrate, Threadripper4 goes up to 128 cores with 4 of those substrates a bit like how original threadripper had 4 dies.
Edit- mainstream windows supports up to 256cores so thats not a problem for a long time, In enterprise environments it can go far higher.
Having seen 8 socket EPYC systems and with planned 128core processors we will end up with 1024cores and 2048thread systems which windows also supports in the enterprise space. But you could still run one on consumer windows fine today.
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TR3 rumor exists to show off the 16 core minimum SKU with 1 core per CCX, They can't disable it any more than that.
It will however top out at 32cores, This is because the architecture improvements and UMA availability are reason enough to upgrade, no one is going to say -oh dear only 32 cores big deal- when its so much faster (15%) than a 2990wx and doesn't have memory limitations and draws less power. It also gives amd something to upgrade to with TR4 with improvements to the architecture and clock speeds and cores.
Think about it, you're AMD. you've just launched 64core TR3, congratulations.
What are you going to do in 12 months with TR4?
You can't add any more cores, Your architecture is only a refinement with slightly faster clocks but its not a huge leap forward, You're appearing to lose momentum and reading articles like -the slowing of amd-, you want that?
No you release a much faster much better optimised 32 core with lower power and unified memory so anyone on 1950x's now have a significant upgrade path and you still have room to grow next year so you don't put yourself in a corner.
Its REALLY not that hard folks.
Then in 2021 on zen4 we get a whole new thing again, new sockets and architecture on -5nm- (not even close) we get smaller chiplets on active interposers a bit like HBM on furyX.
Ryzen sees up to 32 cores (4 chiplets on a silicon substrate, Threadripper4 goes up to 128 cores with 4 of those substrates a bit like how original threadripper had 4 dies.
Edit- mainstream windows supports up to 256cores so thats not a problem for a long time, In enterprise environments it can go far higher.
Having seen 8 socket EPYC systems and with planned 128core processors we will end up with 1024cores and 2048thread systems which windows also supports in the enterprise space. But you could still run one on consumer windows fine today.
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Merv
Hey Gordon, if/when you do get a 64/128 threadripper in, could you run a test render in Cinema4D with X-particles 4 on physical renderer, and a scene in Maya with Arnold as the renderer? These are CPU bound and will really stress the system, and compare it against a 3900X and maybe an X299 part? It will really show TR can do. An example, last time I tried the same scene in C4D on 7900X, vs 2990WX, it was 4 mins per frame down to 1 min 30 secs. Add a 64/128 threadripper with 8 sticks of 32GB DRAM that Corsair recently made wider availability of and for those of us with the work load it's going to be a huge timesaver
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Hey Gordon, if/when you do get a 64/128 threadripper in, could you run a test render in Cinema4D with X-particles 4 on physical renderer, and a scene in Maya with Arnold as the renderer? These are CPU bound and will really stress the system, and compare it against a 3900X and maybe an X299 part? It will really show TR can do. An example, last time I tried the same scene in C4D on 7900X, vs 2990WX, it was 4 mins per frame down to 1 min 30 secs. Add a 64/128 threadripper with 8 sticks of 32GB DRAM that Corsair recently made wider availability of and for those of us with the work load it's going to be a huge timesaver
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Yamil
It would be nice to have a Full Nerd episode where you discuss storage options and what they are good for. With all the options now and the prices for SSDs dropping, it would be nice to see a discussion here about it. For instance, a lot of games see a benefit when changing an HDD for an SSD, but almost nothing when going for a really fast NVMe drive compared to a regular TLC SSD. That may probably change in the future (now that consoles may benefit from faster storage, but it would be nice to hear what you think. Maybe also discuss the way you test SSDs and HDDs in PCWorld. com articles!
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It would be nice to have a Full Nerd episode where you discuss storage options and what they are good for. With all the options now and the prices for SSDs dropping, it would be nice to see a discussion here about it. For instance, a lot of games see a benefit when changing an HDD for an SSD, but almost nothing when going for a really fast NVMe drive compared to a regular TLC SSD. That may probably change in the future (now that consoles may benefit from faster storage, but it would be nice to hear what you think. Maybe also discuss the way you test SSDs and HDDs in PCWorld. com articles!
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1BigBen
13: 42 rumors really
Lisa has said TR3 is coming,
we know Rome core count and TR3 is the same CPU, so we know the TR3 core counts
Lisa has said CES 2020 will not be about GPU, so we know it is this year
we will be seeing a new AMD roadmap 18/9 2019 At Hot Chips 31, would you really drop TR3 there?
and would you drop TR3 before 9/9 2019?
oh and Q2 2019 AMD Earnings Call was at 5: 30 PM EDT Jul 30, 2019 so we will more at this time tomorrow
incoming next Horizon November 2019?
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13: 42 rumors really
Lisa has said TR3 is coming,
we know Rome core count and TR3 is the same CPU, so we know the TR3 core counts
Lisa has said CES 2020 will not be about GPU, so we know it is this year
we will be seeing a new AMD roadmap 18/9 2019 At Hot Chips 31, would you really drop TR3 there?
and would you drop TR3 before 9/9 2019?
oh and Q2 2019 AMD Earnings Call was at 5: 30 PM EDT Jul 30, 2019 so we will more at this time tomorrow
incoming next Horizon November 2019?
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Peter
I couldn't see it live but here I am. Look at Gordon having a big heart: helping the underprivilleged consoleplayers who never experienced the superior gaming with a PC with a mouse and keyboard. Adam, about those opposable thumbs, that nice piano-music which some of us make is enriched a lot by also using the 8 fingers, don't you agree? ;)
No trackball for me but I have a high mouse sensitivity and a minimum of mouse acceleration, that way you can't get RSI.
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I couldn't see it live but here I am. Look at Gordon having a big heart: helping the underprivilleged consoleplayers who never experienced the superior gaming with a PC with a mouse and keyboard. Adam, about those opposable thumbs, that nice piano-music which some of us make is enriched a lot by also using the 8 fingers, don't you agree? ;)
No trackball for me but I have a high mouse sensitivity and a minimum of mouse acceleration, that way you can't get RSI.
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boria0
Gordon: I want hi res textures.
Are you kidding me? One of Gordon's main arguments for ray tracing last year was that there is no point chasing more fps we need better looking frames. Which sounded like we all playing 4k 100hz. Now he's not to bothered about the lighting. it's all about resolution. I wonder if Gordon are really twins like Christian Bale in Prestige.
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Gordon: I want hi res textures.
Are you kidding me? One of Gordon's main arguments for ray tracing last year was that there is no point chasing more fps we need better looking frames. Which sounded like we all playing 4k 100hz. Now he's not to bothered about the lighting. it's all about resolution. I wonder if Gordon are really twins like Christian Bale in Prestige.
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jjpower
I actually did look for the most listened episode trivia on soundcloud. com/thefullnerd and there it says that the -Episode 80: 2019 PC hardware predictions & eating 2018 paper- with 4560 plays it's the most listened, but since last episode 100 was already over by then, I didn't answer because I thought it didn't count anymore -
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I actually did look for the most listened episode trivia on soundcloud. com/thefullnerd and there it says that the -Episode 80: 2019 PC hardware predictions & eating 2018 paper- with 4560 plays it's the most listened, but since last episode 100 was already over by then, I didn't answer because I thought it didn't count anymore -
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Neo
F clock ratio on 3rd gen ryzen runs at 1: 1 with ram speed up to 3800, anything above that halves it. F clock can be tweaked, but anything that isn't matched to ram speed introduced a latency penalty. Buildzoid recently posted a couple videos with his testing results on this.
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F clock ratio on 3rd gen ryzen runs at 1: 1 with ram speed up to 3800, anything above that halves it. F clock can be tweaked, but anything that isn't matched to ram speed introduced a latency penalty. Buildzoid recently posted a couple videos with his testing results on this.
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Derek
I-m a fan so please don-t take this as hating whatsoever. For over 100+ episodes, I-m still seeing such a small audience. I-m rooting for you guys to grow but to me, things look flat. At what point do you guys decide to move on and do something besides TFN?
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I-m a fan so please don-t take this as hating whatsoever. For over 100+ episodes, I-m still seeing such a small audience. I-m rooting for you guys to grow but to me, things look flat. At what point do you guys decide to move on and do something besides TFN?
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