Ryzen boost bug patch, Windows 10 in 2019, Q&A - The Full Nerd ep. 106
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Koji
People wanted their boost clock speed and now they have their clock speed. performance gain from it are moot.
AND now that it is fixed, theres going to be some other excuses, some ive already started hearing related to Shaminos wild claim of longevity, all because in the end some people want the lawsuit one way or another.
That avx clock speed reduction is going to be another thing.
Personally, i take everone elses, including reviewers, results as just their results. They cant publish benchmarks for every possible system config. We dont often see reviews were the absolute wrong parts for the system are used, such as memory thats not on the qvl, windows and games installed on a mechanical drive, etc. we se medium case scenario and everone else is going to end up plus or minus. theres also the fact that silicon lottery will effect anothers results with the exact same config. Then the reviewer could be sporting the stock air cooler yet I went with a custom loop with 3x 560mm radiators.
too many variables. I can only just buy the product and see what I get out of it.
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People wanted their boost clock speed and now they have their clock speed. performance gain from it are moot.
AND now that it is fixed, theres going to be some other excuses, some ive already started hearing related to Shaminos wild claim of longevity, all because in the end some people want the lawsuit one way or another.
That avx clock speed reduction is going to be another thing.
Personally, i take everone elses, including reviewers, results as just their results. They cant publish benchmarks for every possible system config. We dont often see reviews were the absolute wrong parts for the system are used, such as memory thats not on the qvl, windows and games installed on a mechanical drive, etc. we se medium case scenario and everone else is going to end up plus or minus. theres also the fact that silicon lottery will effect anothers results with the exact same config. Then the reviewer could be sporting the stock air cooler yet I went with a custom loop with 3x 560mm radiators.
too many variables. I can only just buy the product and see what I get out of it.
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franzb69
if a company can lie to you about something small like that, you can also imagine about the shit that they're not really telling you behind the scenes. or the shit that they're flat out lying about other stuff.
i agree with the woman, she says it perfectly. it's always better to underpromise and overdeliver.
if they only had rated those processors just 50 to 100 mhz lower so it'll show that it's actually clocking higher then noone would ever bat an eye! they'd even be praising them that they're giving us actually higher clocks than what's written on the box.
remember the court case about the bulldozer processors amd claiming that those were 8 cores? they lost that case in california and had to pay out over 200m usd. that's still a good chunk of money.
imagine if people started suing them for this shit. they might lose that case as well. another good chunk of cash.
fact is that they lied.
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if a company can lie to you about something small like that, you can also imagine about the shit that they're not really telling you behind the scenes. or the shit that they're flat out lying about other stuff.
i agree with the woman, she says it perfectly. it's always better to underpromise and overdeliver.
if they only had rated those processors just 50 to 100 mhz lower so it'll show that it's actually clocking higher then noone would ever bat an eye! they'd even be praising them that they're giving us actually higher clocks than what's written on the box.
remember the court case about the bulldozer processors amd claiming that those were 8 cores? they lost that case in california and had to pay out over 200m usd. that's still a good chunk of money.
imagine if people started suing them for this shit. they might lose that case as well. another good chunk of cash.
fact is that they lied.
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drunkredninja
jeeze gordon stay demonstrating just how disconnected he his now. elena comin thru as the voice of reason. the mcd analogy and penny is flawed also because cpu's don't cost that much so even if you do a straight cost per frame analysis we want we're guaranteed/promised/bought/etc. if the cost per frame was 0. 01 of course wouldn't care but it's not.
ps. pretty sure alot of people will pick up a penny. we're not all ballers and how ya think ya stack up in the first place.
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jeeze gordon stay demonstrating just how disconnected he his now. elena comin thru as the voice of reason. the mcd analogy and penny is flawed also because cpu's don't cost that much so even if you do a straight cost per frame analysis we want we're guaranteed/promised/bought/etc. if the cost per frame was 0. 01 of course wouldn't care but it's not.
ps. pretty sure alot of people will pick up a penny. we're not all ballers and how ya think ya stack up in the first place.
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Drake's
-33: 00 on owning software vs paying for a service: My understanding was always that in a typical consumer setting, when you 'buy' a piece of software from a vendor, what your actually doing is leasing an end-user-license agreement. This EULA can be revoked at any time by the software vendor. So when you 'buy' a piece of software you effectively get very little, but in practice that's historically been implemented very differently.
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-33: 00 on owning software vs paying for a service: My understanding was always that in a typical consumer setting, when you 'buy' a piece of software from a vendor, what your actually doing is leasing an end-user-license agreement. This EULA can be revoked at any time by the software vendor. So when you 'buy' a piece of software you effectively get very little, but in practice that's historically been implemented very differently.
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Lexie
HWUB found in the worst case scenarios where a given chip was falling short 100mhz on certain boards that in single threaded CB you'd see like a 7% performance gain now that it could hit that boost and I assume is doing it more regularly. Personally my 3700X was only hitting 4. 275 single core boost and it was very rare, now its actually hitting 4. 4 and its boosting more often so for me Im definitely glad they fixed it.
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HWUB found in the worst case scenarios where a given chip was falling short 100mhz on certain boards that in single threaded CB you'd see like a 7% performance gain now that it could hit that boost and I assume is doing it more regularly. Personally my 3700X was only hitting 4. 275 single core boost and it was very rare, now its actually hitting 4. 4 and its boosting more often so for me Im definitely glad they fixed it.
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Tdizzle
Once again Gordon is way off and wrong. Empire didn't banish slavery they started or at least added to it the wookiees are THE EMPIRES SLAVE LABOR FORCE. He was also wrong about Windows 10 and its wrong to use it for free if a software company doesn't want you to use there software for free they wouldn't remember windows 7 you got 30 days to get a license or poof no more windows.
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Once again Gordon is way off and wrong. Empire didn't banish slavery they started or at least added to it the wookiees are THE EMPIRES SLAVE LABOR FORCE. He was also wrong about Windows 10 and its wrong to use it for free if a software company doesn't want you to use there software for free they wouldn't remember windows 7 you got 30 days to get a license or poof no more windows.
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Enigmatistic
I'm afraid AMD is in serious trouble with this one. Even after the -fix- most people will still not hit the advertised boost on the 3900X if only -5% can now. If the 3900X can't hit boost, there is no way the 3950X will either. Impending class action suit.
As you correctly stated 25-50 megahertz is imperceptible but false advertisement is illegal.
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I'm afraid AMD is in serious trouble with this one. Even after the -fix- most people will still not hit the advertised boost on the 3900X if only -5% can now. If the 3900X can't hit boost, there is no way the 3950X will either. Impending class action suit.
As you correctly stated 25-50 megahertz is imperceptible but false advertisement is illegal.
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ISee
My max boost clockseed with 1003abb was 4275mhz. It is now 4525mhz with ABBA, that's not a trivial improvement. Even better, my two good core are running above 4300mhz on average (4225 previously. This is great improvement.
The two main threads in CS: GO are for example now running at 4400 average. This makes all core overclocking futile. Which is okay.
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My max boost clockseed with 1003abb was 4275mhz. It is now 4525mhz with ABBA, that's not a trivial improvement. Even better, my two good core are running above 4300mhz on average (4225 previously. This is great improvement.
The two main threads in CS: GO are for example now running at 4400 average. This makes all core overclocking futile. Which is okay.
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franzb69
what sucks with microsoft is that they fired the beta testing department and made us into their beta testers and we pay them. that really sounds retarded. they just wait around for people talking shit about their release of windows then they fix it then if that patch doesn't fix it people will report again and talk shit about them all over again.
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what sucks with microsoft is that they fired the beta testing department and made us into their beta testers and we pay them. that really sounds retarded. they just wait around for people talking shit about their release of windows then they fix it then if that patch doesn't fix it people will report again and talk shit about them all over again.
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Watto
Don't know about PCWorld but I'd think twice about attacking a force that took out a Death Star, no matter how many cruisers I had.
PS
The Empire abolished slavery by making everyone a slave.
PCWorld, stick to computers, screenplays aren't your thing.
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Don't know about PCWorld but I'd think twice about attacking a force that took out a Death Star, no matter how many cruisers I had.
PS
The Empire abolished slavery by making everyone a slave.
PCWorld, stick to computers, screenplays aren't your thing.
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