RTX 4080 Review, More 12VHPWR Updates, Q&A The Full Nerd ep. 238
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it will still have more safety headroom than new 12VHPWR, with 250 watts would give 500 watts with 2,
3x 750 watts, 12VHPWR is PCB cost saving and is ok for the enterprise side, on the DIY side,
this is so Ngreedia save PCB cost and its Apple style looks, 12VHPWR is not needed in the DIY market,
the old connector is noob save, the 12VHPWR is not.
Date: 2022-11-17
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ThePeperich
If so many are unhappy with the pricing and really 100K of Chips 4000s/ADA were sold (WCCFTech) - why do people line up and buy them like Pizza?
Again a great show, excellent that EposVox (Adam II. hehe) was the guest for a professional view. His look btw is right, if you think about business expenses and professional work. Usually a market for Quadro GPUs which costs thousands of US , but if you do not need the advantages of those or the support jaddijaddija, the consumer cards are often enough. Even for pro-user who make their living with their PC in Optix, 3D-work, video editing, whatever - instead of buying a 5.000-2.500 US card (check Quadro - Titan MSRP prices) , they say, great a MSRP 1.200 US or a 1600 US card. For them great.
For others, may be - if you bought a RTX 3090 Ti for 2.000 US (was MSRP the even higher, or?) or a RTX 3090 for 1.500 US (or?), it is cheaper to go to the next gen GPU. Gordon is right too and Brad, if you go over 1000 US -> get the 4090. Hurts, but is true.
So, you can see it extreme overpriced or fair priced - it depends how you look at it. One thing is important, both cards are no real successors for the 3090 and 3080 - they are so much more powerful; they both seem like a whole new line in a way.
For me over 1K just for a GPU will be too much. For me already 1440P and a middle of the road modern GPU is the sweet spot, but I am happy if others pay more. Good for the economy and the second hand market. ;-)
Keep it up guys!
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If so many are unhappy with the pricing and really 100K of Chips 4000s/ADA were sold (WCCFTech) - why do people line up and buy them like Pizza?
Again a great show, excellent that EposVox (Adam II. hehe) was the guest for a professional view. His look btw is right, if you think about business expenses and professional work. Usually a market for Quadro GPUs which costs thousands of US , but if you do not need the advantages of those or the support jaddijaddija, the consumer cards are often enough. Even for pro-user who make their living with their PC in Optix, 3D-work, video editing, whatever - instead of buying a 5.000-2.500 US card (check Quadro - Titan MSRP prices) , they say, great a MSRP 1.200 US or a 1600 US card. For them great.
For others, may be - if you bought a RTX 3090 Ti for 2.000 US (was MSRP the even higher, or?) or a RTX 3090 for 1.500 US (or?), it is cheaper to go to the next gen GPU. Gordon is right too and Brad, if you go over 1000 US -> get the 4090. Hurts, but is true.
So, you can see it extreme overpriced or fair priced - it depends how you look at it. One thing is important, both cards are no real successors for the 3090 and 3080 - they are so much more powerful; they both seem like a whole new line in a way.
For me over 1K just for a GPU will be too much. For me already 1440P and a middle of the road modern GPU is the sweet spot, but I am happy if others pay more. Good for the economy and the second hand market. ;-)
Keep it up guys!
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Ian
Does Ian Cutress know that with less voltage and more electric current he will need fat cables because of power efficiency? I'm not even talk about the high cost of a high gauge cables! Just see what is happening in servers sector, they are make use of 48 volts instead 12 volts. Now if anyone say 19 volts then OK for everybody, notebooks just make use of 19 volts power supplies then you'll be no problem making the transfer of 12 volts to 19 volts and get more efficiency while you can deliver more power. Then if you think why 48 volts in servers and just 19 volts on notebooks or even desktops and that is because if one person gets shocked the deaths begin to appear! The desktop sector is in need of a change for airflow involving ATX standard(BTX was better but not good enough and Intel was there to bite the money). Better license free standard for motherboards, PSUs and connectors with real better construction and control of quality to don't kill people with electric shocks or salty(high) prices.
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Does Ian Cutress know that with less voltage and more electric current he will need fat cables because of power efficiency? I'm not even talk about the high cost of a high gauge cables! Just see what is happening in servers sector, they are make use of 48 volts instead 12 volts. Now if anyone say 19 volts then OK for everybody, notebooks just make use of 19 volts power supplies then you'll be no problem making the transfer of 12 volts to 19 volts and get more efficiency while you can deliver more power. Then if you think why 48 volts in servers and just 19 volts on notebooks or even desktops and that is because if one person gets shocked the deaths begin to appear! The desktop sector is in need of a change for airflow involving ATX standard(BTX was better but not good enough and Intel was there to bite the money). Better license free standard for motherboards, PSUs and connectors with real better construction and control of quality to don't kill people with electric shocks or salty(high) prices.
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Tech RIP
Forward looking tech is worth more??? What are you Nvidia shills smoking? How did the 20 and 30 series fare with DLSS? They didn't. You need 40 series for DLSS 3.0. So, you buy the 40 series for the 10 games that use 3.0 for it to become useless with DLSS 4.0 in 2 years.
DLSS will never matter long-term. Nvidia will always screw you by updating. Heck, FSR is even better with Nvidia cards vs their own DLSS with RT and FG turned on. Stop spewing nonsense. AMD launches soon. The 7900XT 899 is 300 cheaper. The 6800XT is 500. The 6900XT is 600. In no world is the 3080 or 3090 worth mentioning at 900 or 1000. But, all the cards worth mentioning, you didn't.
Does Nvidia own PC World? Does PC World own Nvidia stock?
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Forward looking tech is worth more??? What are you Nvidia shills smoking? How did the 20 and 30 series fare with DLSS? They didn't. You need 40 series for DLSS 3.0. So, you buy the 40 series for the 10 games that use 3.0 for it to become useless with DLSS 4.0 in 2 years.
DLSS will never matter long-term. Nvidia will always screw you by updating. Heck, FSR is even better with Nvidia cards vs their own DLSS with RT and FG turned on. Stop spewing nonsense. AMD launches soon. The 7900XT 899 is 300 cheaper. The 6800XT is 500. The 6900XT is 600. In no world is the 3080 or 3090 worth mentioning at 900 or 1000. But, all the cards worth mentioning, you didn't.
Does Nvidia own PC World? Does PC World own Nvidia stock?
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Hal
All I know is I watched a You Tuber go to Micro Center on the east coast to buy an RTX4080. He just walked into the store three hours after opening and encountered a surprise. The store had plenty of 4080s for sale. There were no lines. I was curious so I tapped into my Local Micro Center here in Tustin California. They had stock in 11 out of 14 sku's for the RTX 4080. According to Leakers the 4080 will have less than half the stock of the 4090 at release. Thanks to you guys for putting up another great Video. Also GN may have solved the Melting Connector issue.
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All I know is I watched a You Tuber go to Micro Center on the east coast to buy an RTX4080. He just walked into the store three hours after opening and encountered a surprise. The store had plenty of 4080s for sale. There were no lines. I was curious so I tapped into my Local Micro Center here in Tustin California. They had stock in 11 out of 14 sku's for the RTX 4080. According to Leakers the 4080 will have less than half the stock of the 4090 at release. Thanks to you guys for putting up another great Video. Also GN may have solved the Melting Connector issue.
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Gary
I think the one reason people talk on their phone using the speaker phone is reality tv shows. Both the person on the phone and the person on the other end had to be heard to understand what was being talked about so everyone started to do the same thing. When someone does that we should just stand right beside them and listen to their conversation. If they say anything about that tell them well your broadcasting to everyone that can hear it and I want to know what they're talking about.
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I think the one reason people talk on their phone using the speaker phone is reality tv shows. Both the person on the phone and the person on the other end had to be heard to understand what was being talked about so everyone started to do the same thing. When someone does that we should just stand right beside them and listen to their conversation. If they say anything about that tell them well your broadcasting to everyone that can hear it and I want to know what they're talking about.
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Dennzer1
Host Adam, please say that's fun again, awkwardly forcing your boring and pretentious observations in between Gordans entertaining rants. ... I don't think saying it 3 times in 5 minutes is quite as dumb and annoying as it could be... ESPECAILLY because it is said in that weird, phony sounding low volume near-whisper voice you use, like an affectation.
His whole on air personality is like one giant and boring affectation... that's fun stuff ....
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Host Adam, please say that's fun again, awkwardly forcing your boring and pretentious observations in between Gordans entertaining rants. ... I don't think saying it 3 times in 5 minutes is quite as dumb and annoying as it could be... ESPECAILLY because it is said in that weird, phony sounding low volume near-whisper voice you use, like an affectation.
His whole on air personality is like one giant and boring affectation... that's fun stuff ....
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Shane
Frame generation reduces latency by reducing GPU usage. If the game is GPU limited, some frames have to queue before being rendered. With frame generation and scaling, the GPU only needs to render a quarter or an eighth of the pixels, so the frame times are shorter and the queue never builds up. At the higher frame rate the delay from holding on to the frame for interpolation is thus shorter, resulting in a net latency reduction
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Frame generation reduces latency by reducing GPU usage. If the game is GPU limited, some frames have to queue before being rendered. With frame generation and scaling, the GPU only needs to render a quarter or an eighth of the pixels, so the frame times are shorter and the queue never builds up. At the higher frame rate the delay from holding on to the frame for interpolation is thus shorter, resulting in a net latency reduction
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Eric
A new design of the 4090 with the power plug in a different location (see EVGA's 4090, that never was) or a right angle plug is the only way to avoid the issues with the power cable. This card is way to big and with the current power cables plugging into the card that it squeezes against the panal's and increases the likelihood these plugging in of cables will have issues still going forward.
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A new design of the 4090 with the power plug in a different location (see EVGA's 4090, that never was) or a right angle plug is the only way to avoid the issues with the power cable. This card is way to big and with the current power cables plugging into the card that it squeezes against the panal's and increases the likelihood these plugging in of cables will have issues still going forward.
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pcworld
The problem with the guest's pro-nvidia argument is that he is caveating based on current 3000 series pricing which are NOT GOOD. Nobody should be spending 1000 bucks on a 3090ti. You cant say the price of 4080 is good because its only 200 more than a currently massively overpriced card. Also, 90%+ of people looking at the 4080 are not massive streamers and content creators.
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The problem with the guest's pro-nvidia argument is that he is caveating based on current 3000 series pricing which are NOT GOOD. Nobody should be spending 1000 bucks on a 3090ti. You cant say the price of 4080 is good because its only 200 more than a currently massively overpriced card. Also, 90%+ of people looking at the 4080 are not massive streamers and content creators.
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Pancake
Epos' comments from 39:33 to 41:05 really resonate with me. I absolutely hate the mystery that surrounds GPU launches. Like Brad said, who even WANTS to buy a 1200 4080 when there is a huge gap between that and the 4090 for a Ti variant that will probably cost the same. Yay for taking advantage of early adopters or whatever but it just makes me feel bad so I won't engage.
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Epos' comments from 39:33 to 41:05 really resonate with me. I absolutely hate the mystery that surrounds GPU launches. Like Brad said, who even WANTS to buy a 1200 4080 when there is a huge gap between that and the 4090 for a Ti variant that will probably cost the same. Yay for taking advantage of early adopters or whatever but it just makes me feel bad so I won't engage.
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Sikandar
Its always nice to have a Nvidia apologist to somehow justify the abnoxious 1200+ pricing because it is great for the 0.1% use case of content creating, while all the gamers are left with one kidney as they had to sell the other one to afford this price gouged cards. Brad got it right, its 30-50% more performance for 70%+ price. That's BS.
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Its always nice to have a Nvidia apologist to somehow justify the abnoxious 1200+ pricing because it is great for the 0.1% use case of content creating, while all the gamers are left with one kidney as they had to sell the other one to afford this price gouged cards. Brad got it right, its 30-50% more performance for 70%+ price. That's BS.
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аи
lookin' for future i have a guess that putin pedal to the metal when i cannot see an actual scene on a screen is kinda not the greatest idea, but who cares.ok. i'm not gonna argue with contentmakers, just hoping they makin much better content than gamedeveloppers this days, well.
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lookin' for future i have a guess that putin pedal to the metal when i cannot see an actual scene on a screen is kinda not the greatest idea, but who cares.ok. i'm not gonna argue with contentmakers, just hoping they makin much better content than gamedeveloppers this days, well.
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Samuel
I'm glad that Brad calls out the insane pricing. Gordon has such an obvious pro-Nvidia bias (as a customer I don't care ... and shouldn't ... what Nvidia pays for the coolers) and EposVox can just write it off as a business expense... Gamers don't have that option.
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I'm glad that Brad calls out the insane pricing. Gordon has such an obvious pro-Nvidia bias (as a customer I don't care ... and shouldn't ... what Nvidia pays for the coolers) and EposVox can just write it off as a business expense... Gamers don't have that option.
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Nestor
Even with AMD closing the gap with 4090 in rasterization, the main focus of nVidia pricing it's ray-tracing performance and DLSS3. Unless AMD brings some serious performance in ray-tracing, i don't see nVidia drooping much of MSRP pricing.
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Even with AMD closing the gap with 4090 in rasterization, the main focus of nVidia pricing it's ray-tracing performance and DLSS3. Unless AMD brings some serious performance in ray-tracing, i don't see nVidia drooping much of MSRP pricing.
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