The RTX 5090 Was Not What We Were Expecting
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Date: 2025-01-21
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desild5869
You should make up your minds about what's ethical. You didn't like Jensen's misleading 5070 = 4090 but you liked-not liked-but-liked his MSRPs even though those are equally misleading. NVIDIA covertly sets street prices by varying how much room they leave to AiBs for margins. The more expensive (and closer to MSRP) they sell GPU kits to AiBs, the more you see street (AKA real) prices swell above MSRP. Make no mistake, the reason why you're seeing a hyperinflation of cards that are unnecessarily large, with clownish coolers and all sorts of bling blings is NVIDIA (blings like special drawings using various IPs, hentai characters, etc.). NVIDIA sells those GPU kits so close to MSRP that the only way for AiBs to make profit is to go way above MSRP and so they try to justify it by adding all those flashy features.
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You should make up your minds about what's ethical. You didn't like Jensen's misleading 5070 = 4090 but you liked-not liked-but-liked his MSRPs even though those are equally misleading. NVIDIA covertly sets street prices by varying how much room they leave to AiBs for margins. The more expensive (and closer to MSRP) they sell GPU kits to AiBs, the more you see street (AKA real) prices swell above MSRP. Make no mistake, the reason why you're seeing a hyperinflation of cards that are unnecessarily large, with clownish coolers and all sorts of bling blings is NVIDIA (blings like special drawings using various IPs, hentai characters, etc.). NVIDIA sells those GPU kits so close to MSRP that the only way for AiBs to make profit is to go way above MSRP and so they try to justify it by adding all those flashy features.
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Meditations2024
I personally believe the Founder's Edition will have adequate cooling. That's a lot of wattage being dissipated from such a small form factor. It's a truly amazing feat TBH.
None of the huge AIB coolers are worth much more than $100 more though. I might pay $200 more for a water blocked variant. The fancy PCB's/Coolers rarely result in even a 5% uplift. Something I can replicate with my closed loop just by having superior cooling, and without added wattage.
Had the AIB's invested in superior less expensive coolers, really their only job, their margins wouldn't be so tight. Nvidia is flexing on them. They also could have made the RTX 5090 a 3 slot card.
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I personally believe the Founder's Edition will have adequate cooling. That's a lot of wattage being dissipated from such a small form factor. It's a truly amazing feat TBH.
None of the huge AIB coolers are worth much more than $100 more though. I might pay $200 more for a water blocked variant. The fancy PCB's/Coolers rarely result in even a 5% uplift. Something I can replicate with my closed loop just by having superior cooling, and without added wattage.
Had the AIB's invested in superior less expensive coolers, really their only job, their margins wouldn't be so tight. Nvidia is flexing on them. They also could have made the RTX 5090 a 3 slot card.
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Edsdrafts
There are tons of people who would happily pay 1k for 5080 or 2k for 5090. Problem is there will only be a handful of buyers who will get these cards for these prices. Over 90% of sales will be have scalper tax be it from stores, other resellers, or NVidia themselves that will amount to at least 25% bump on these prices.
Never mind EU or Australia... I expect 5080 to sell for 1400 and 5090 for 2900 here in Europe. No thanks.
What makes matters worse AMD will do same shemanigans and price their 9070 accordingly through retailers and even if not - scalpers will make sure they will. Ouch...
PS5 anyone
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There are tons of people who would happily pay 1k for 5080 or 2k for 5090. Problem is there will only be a handful of buyers who will get these cards for these prices. Over 90% of sales will be have scalper tax be it from stores, other resellers, or NVidia themselves that will amount to at least 25% bump on these prices.
Never mind EU or Australia... I expect 5080 to sell for 1400 and 5090 for 2900 here in Europe. No thanks.
What makes matters worse AMD will do same shemanigans and price their 9070 accordingly through retailers and even if not - scalpers will make sure they will. Ouch...
PS5 anyone
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ElladanKenet
The 5090 being a two slot card is some crazy achievement in efficiency. Super impressive. But it also really makes me think that, surely, Nvidia has a 3-slot design waiting in the wings. 5090 Ti or Blackwell Titan.
Or perhaps this is indicative of how things have improved with overall GPU engineering. I heard that the 4090 was half the die size of an H100. Dunno how accurate that is, as I didn't really research it, though it does seem the trend for consumer vs professional tier cards, especially when it comes to pricing.
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The 5090 being a two slot card is some crazy achievement in efficiency. Super impressive. But it also really makes me think that, surely, Nvidia has a 3-slot design waiting in the wings. 5090 Ti or Blackwell Titan.
Or perhaps this is indicative of how things have improved with overall GPU engineering. I heard that the 4090 was half the die size of an H100. Dunno how accurate that is, as I didn't really research it, though it does seem the trend for consumer vs professional tier cards, especially when it comes to pricing.
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davidsmith4186
I think whichever way both AMD and Nvidia go will get better. Technology doesn't go in reverse. They'll get better with the technology they both present. If a 5090 blasts a 4090 while gaming, with same in game settings, then technically the 5090 is faster. The whole razterization is out the door. Old heads need to give that up. That's old and outdated technology in 2025. Seems like they have the analogy of, if two of the same vehicles race, one is tuned and one is not, it's FAKE HP. It really didn't win.
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I think whichever way both AMD and Nvidia go will get better. Technology doesn't go in reverse. They'll get better with the technology they both present. If a 5090 blasts a 4090 while gaming, with same in game settings, then technically the 5090 is faster. The whole razterization is out the door. Old heads need to give that up. That's old and outdated technology in 2025. Seems like they have the analogy of, if two of the same vehicles race, one is tuned and one is not, it's FAKE HP. It really didn't win.
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CalgarGTX
I think it turns out they played the same trick as Intel and B580, where 'technically' the 5090 founder will exist and have a fantasy MSRP (which is already crazy high) few reviewers will get one and say how amazing of a design it is, but the rest of the peasants will never get one, much less at MSRP, because of a super low production run (since the design obviously hits into their margins) and you will have to do with the 2500 real price shitty AC sized cooler AIB ones.
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I think it turns out they played the same trick as Intel and B580, where 'technically' the 5090 founder will exist and have a fantasy MSRP (which is already crazy high) few reviewers will get one and say how amazing of a design it is, but the rest of the peasants will never get one, much less at MSRP, because of a super low production run (since the design obviously hits into their margins) and you will have to do with the 2500 real price shitty AC sized cooler AIB ones.
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pcworld
If AMD sets the price low enough then they would make up the low-price-profit-loss with volume.
Then again, there is the PC gamer sentiment of just buy Nvidia regardless of how much it costs because AMD isn't worth it. Until AMD has countered this second sentiment they can't afford to price their cards super affordable. Not to mention people would associate the price of AMD cards to their performance.
Then there is intel coming to upset everything.
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If AMD sets the price low enough then they would make up the low-price-profit-loss with volume.
Then again, there is the PC gamer sentiment of just buy Nvidia regardless of how much it costs because AMD isn't worth it. Until AMD has countered this second sentiment they can't afford to price their cards super affordable. Not to mention people would associate the price of AMD cards to their performance.
Then there is intel coming to upset everything.
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hiroshifox9020
We would just like a GPU that can give us over 30 real FPS without being a room heater and costing $2,000. Come one Nvidia you are doing a very poor job of making good GPU's. I would expect at least 30 FPS in a title like Cyberpunk on a card that doesn't need more power than what the slot provides. So their new flagship model like the 5090 can't even do that when it was possible back in the good old days.
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We would just like a GPU that can give us over 30 real FPS without being a room heater and costing $2,000. Come one Nvidia you are doing a very poor job of making good GPU's. I would expect at least 30 FPS in a title like Cyberpunk on a card that doesn't need more power than what the slot provides. So their new flagship model like the 5090 can't even do that when it was possible back in the good old days.
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wooshangjr
Remember the fad with LCD and LED tv manufacturers that used frame interpolation up to 240hz and 360hz and gave everything that trashy soap opera effect That's what these interpolated frames are like. It's not giving you the benefit of lower latency which is the real benefit of high frame rates. Motion clarity is cool and all but if the consequences are artifacts and other weird effects, IMO it's not worth it
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Remember the fad with LCD and LED tv manufacturers that used frame interpolation up to 240hz and 360hz and gave everything that trashy soap opera effect That's what these interpolated frames are like. It's not giving you the benefit of lower latency which is the real benefit of high frame rates. Motion clarity is cool and all but if the consequences are artifacts and other weird effects, IMO it's not worth it
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bob_smite
I'm with Paul with this one. I'm still skeptical about how good the sustained load is on the 5090 FE. I'm thinking the flow-through GPU design is still not adequate enough to keep it cool. Or maybe they have to limit the power of the FE GPU significantly compared to the other cards. But it might be a stretch since the FE design seems to be meant for multigpu designs where GPUs are running 100% all the time.
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I'm with Paul with this one. I'm still skeptical about how good the sustained load is on the 5090 FE. I'm thinking the flow-through GPU design is still not adequate enough to keep it cool. Or maybe they have to limit the power of the FE GPU significantly compared to the other cards. But it might be a stretch since the FE design seems to be meant for multigpu designs where GPUs are running 100% all the time.
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jring383
Hanging in there for years with a GTX 1080ti and choosing to skip the early RTX 2k/3K cards was a brutal exercise in FOMO restraint. Choosing to finally upgrade RTX 4090 in 2024 with the uncertainty of what was coming with the RTX 50 series is turning out to not sting too bad. I think I can hold out with DLLS 3.5 for quite a while before theres any games that im going to really need a 5090 or better to play.
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Hanging in there for years with a GTX 1080ti and choosing to skip the early RTX 2k/3K cards was a brutal exercise in FOMO restraint. Choosing to finally upgrade RTX 4090 in 2024 with the uncertainty of what was coming with the RTX 50 series is turning out to not sting too bad. I think I can hold out with DLLS 3.5 for quite a while before theres any games that im going to really need a 5090 or better to play.
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pcworld
Ill be sticking with my thrifty 7900xtx a few more years, there's no games or resolution worth all this money, maybe when the next gen of consoles come games will take a leap, until then what are paying for here I mean in this gen of GPUs, Unless I'm throwing path tracing on native my card has nothing crippling it vs back in the days when Crysis melted all our systems, and the race began for capable hardware
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Ill be sticking with my thrifty 7900xtx a few more years, there's no games or resolution worth all this money, maybe when the next gen of consoles come games will take a leap, until then what are paying for here I mean in this gen of GPUs, Unless I'm throwing path tracing on native my card has nothing crippling it vs back in the days when Crysis melted all our systems, and the race began for capable hardware
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aberkae
What if Nvidia's goal is to make fe edition slightly better than last gen only to make the aib cards that will probably be more expensive more attractive and performant in comparison
Paper launch fe edition and flood the market with aib cards that are more expensive but potentially clock higher.
Bait and switch.
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What if Nvidia's goal is to make fe edition slightly better than last gen only to make the aib cards that will probably be more expensive more attractive and performant in comparison
Paper launch fe edition and flood the market with aib cards that are more expensive but potentially clock higher.
Bait and switch.
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syncmonism
The 5090 is not that exciting, at least from what I've seen so far. Much like the 2080 ti, it is a flagship graphics card which apparently gets most of its performance improvement over the previous gen flagship by simply using a larger and more expensive GPU on a slightly revised version of the same process node.
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The 5090 is not that exciting, at least from what I've seen so far. Much like the 2080 ti, it is a flagship graphics card which apparently gets most of its performance improvement over the previous gen flagship by simply using a larger and more expensive GPU on a slightly revised version of the same process node.
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orleansjunky4074
So. If nividia over engineered their card. board partners should be cheaper to manufacture. I know savings won't go to us. But probably a better way for board partners margins more profitable. But I see no one noticed this so what do I know. Hint nothing
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So. If nividia over engineered their card. board partners should be cheaper to manufacture. I know savings won't go to us. But probably a better way for board partners margins more profitable. But I see no one noticed this so what do I know. Hint nothing
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paulshardware
Hey it's me! Thanks for having me on for a chat Adam, it was great seeing you at CES (even though I think we were both pretty fried by this point ) remember if I repeat myself it's for emphasis and not because I forgot what I said two minutes earlier.
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Hey it's me! Thanks for having me on for a chat Adam, it was great seeing you at CES (even though I think we were both pretty fried by this point ) remember if I repeat myself it's for emphasis and not because I forgot what I said two minutes earlier.
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saminekunis8680
The smaller size of the founders 5090 is certainly a point but design wise i for myself have to say that i will definitely give the founders edition 5090 a pass in benefit of an NSI Gaming X Trio or Colorful Igame Vulcan, especially the one in white
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The smaller size of the founders 5090 is certainly a point but design wise i for myself have to say that i will definitely give the founders edition 5090 a pass in benefit of an NSI Gaming X Trio or Colorful Igame Vulcan, especially the one in white
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lou7139
Wish an average joe like myself could actually _buy_ a 5070 but sadly I'm no match for scalper bots. I ain't payin' no $1500 for a 5070 FE on ebay. I'm gonna have to wait a year for an AIB 5070. Sucks always being a gen behind. FU scalpers.
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Wish an average joe like myself could actually _buy_ a 5070 but sadly I'm no match for scalper bots. I ain't payin' no $1500 for a 5070 FE on ebay. I'm gonna have to wait a year for an AIB 5070. Sucks always being a gen behind. FU scalpers.
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darkcggaming
Please stop saying it is a 2000$ card. The founders edition is unvailable to the vast majority of customers and the custom cards will cost 3.300$. It is insane, and I'm wondering what the antitrust is doing. This madness must be stopped.
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Please stop saying it is a 2000$ card. The founders edition is unvailable to the vast majority of customers and the custom cards will cost 3.300$. It is insane, and I'm wondering what the antitrust is doing. This madness must be stopped.
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x86FTW
ITX form factor for a 500W GPU makes absolutely no sense.
It would require an extremely powerful SFX psu and requires airflow and volume to maintain temps.
A smaller 5090 is a wierd flex.. a silent version would be much more impressive
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ITX form factor for a 500W GPU makes absolutely no sense.
It would require an extremely powerful SFX psu and requires airflow and volume to maintain temps.
A smaller 5090 is a wierd flex.. a silent version would be much more impressive
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