How Not to Do The Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim - Mountain trips
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Date: 2023-01-17
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Greg
I stumbled upon this because 5 of us are doing a rim to rim to rim this upcoming May. difference is that we are hiking it over a period of 2 days, staying at each rim at a hotel. After my share of adventure mishaps in the past, it is usually from poor planning, which is really the only thing that caused this rim to rim to rim run to go wrong.
Hydration (1 - 1. 5 liters carrying in lightweight smart bottles - you got that right in the front strap pockets, electrolyte packs, fast simple powdered carbs, UL 3 liter backpack, buff to wet for cooling, light brimmed hat, sunglasses, a headlamp, sunscreen, cellphone for the camera and video, Garmin inreach for satelite communication that is seamless with cell phones, and a lightweight 3 liter backpack are all a marathoner needs. Plenty of purified water sources along the way to fill the bottles in each front pocket shoulder strap. You just have to remember where they are - Manzilla, Cotttonwood, Phantom Ranch, several places along Bright Angel Trail, and Grand Canyon South Rim Village are the water sources. No water on South Kaibab, but no need if descending. Getting from Bright Angel trailhead at south rim over to South Kaibab trailhead on south rim is easy with shuttles during the day. We leave before sunrise, so we will have to get a ride from a nice hotel clerk person or walk it; so we chose most eastern hotel on south rim.
And getting an early start before the sun comes up so that time well below the rim is avoided between 11 AM and 3 PM. Temps can increase 5 degrees with each 1000 feet elevation loss at this place. Cooling off with not just drinking cold water, but immersing and then using a wet buff, will be important.
Still, you guys battled, even though you put yourselves behind the eight ball early and often.
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I stumbled upon this because 5 of us are doing a rim to rim to rim this upcoming May. difference is that we are hiking it over a period of 2 days, staying at each rim at a hotel. After my share of adventure mishaps in the past, it is usually from poor planning, which is really the only thing that caused this rim to rim to rim run to go wrong.
Hydration (1 - 1. 5 liters carrying in lightweight smart bottles - you got that right in the front strap pockets, electrolyte packs, fast simple powdered carbs, UL 3 liter backpack, buff to wet for cooling, light brimmed hat, sunglasses, a headlamp, sunscreen, cellphone for the camera and video, Garmin inreach for satelite communication that is seamless with cell phones, and a lightweight 3 liter backpack are all a marathoner needs. Plenty of purified water sources along the way to fill the bottles in each front pocket shoulder strap. You just have to remember where they are - Manzilla, Cotttonwood, Phantom Ranch, several places along Bright Angel Trail, and Grand Canyon South Rim Village are the water sources. No water on South Kaibab, but no need if descending. Getting from Bright Angel trailhead at south rim over to South Kaibab trailhead on south rim is easy with shuttles during the day. We leave before sunrise, so we will have to get a ride from a nice hotel clerk person or walk it; so we chose most eastern hotel on south rim.
And getting an early start before the sun comes up so that time well below the rim is avoided between 11 AM and 3 PM. Temps can increase 5 degrees with each 1000 feet elevation loss at this place. Cooling off with not just drinking cold water, but immersing and then using a wet buff, will be important.
Still, you guys battled, even though you put yourselves behind the eight ball early and often.
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Steven
My impression: You were both terribly unprepared. The North Kaibab trail is measured at 14 mile to the Colorado River, not 7; running it in four hours--kudos but foolish. Even most experienced hikers regard this rim to rim to rim hike as arduous and make it only after extensive preparation. To run it at what seems to be whim last minute whim with no pre-planning is irresponsible. Not knowing the trails, no map, simply adds to your folly.
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My impression: You were both terribly unprepared. The North Kaibab trail is measured at 14 mile to the Colorado River, not 7; running it in four hours--kudos but foolish. Even most experienced hikers regard this rim to rim to rim hike as arduous and make it only after extensive preparation. To run it at what seems to be whim last minute whim with no pre-planning is irresponsible. Not knowing the trails, no map, simply adds to your folly.
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alwaysuseless
Such an interesting and appropriately titled video! You guys are so strong, smart, and dumb! That's dedication to show yourself throwing up! You're right, though, one was enough. We didn't need to see the others. Yes, you took the wrong trail up. Now you know. I hope your next video of the Grand Canyon will be more about the canyon and less about suffering. (That's wishing you well, not complaining) Thanks for the video!
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Such an interesting and appropriately titled video! You guys are so strong, smart, and dumb! That's dedication to show yourself throwing up! You're right, though, one was enough. We didn't need to see the others. Yes, you took the wrong trail up. Now you know. I hope your next video of the Grand Canyon will be more about the canyon and less about suffering. (That's wishing you well, not complaining) Thanks for the video!
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Edward
It's fantastic running in the treed area going east on the south rim before and after Kaibab trailhead. Like firmly packed talcum powder, with no underbrush and totally free jumps over downed trees - like floating - you're running but there's no impact. Instead, the soles of your feet are massaged as if by a wizard Tibetan podiatrist / therapist.
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It's fantastic running in the treed area going east on the south rim before and after Kaibab trailhead. Like firmly packed talcum powder, with no underbrush and totally free jumps over downed trees - like floating - you're running but there's no impact. Instead, the soles of your feet are massaged as if by a wizard Tibetan podiatrist / therapist.
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Jack
PPl do it all the time. 50 miles in a day. BS. I used to run x-country in collage. I'd do 15 miles of running a day in season. And puke. To say it's common is just BS. Even at the end of the season - well no barf - but still 15 miles of running - up hills and down hills Up and down. I'd be relieved it was over. & now I wish I could do it again.
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PPl do it all the time. 50 miles in a day. BS. I used to run x-country in collage. I'd do 15 miles of running a day in season. And puke. To say it's common is just BS. Even at the end of the season - well no barf - but still 15 miles of running - up hills and down hills Up and down. I'd be relieved it was over. & now I wish I could do it again.
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Michael
I threw up a few times on a short hike there, but made sure I had loads of electrolytes and food when I attempted the r to r to r this August. Succeeded in the heat, but suffered due to ill fitting shoes, so Ill be doing the hike/run again with better footwear, and slashing a chunk of time off
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I threw up a few times on a short hike there, but made sure I had loads of electrolytes and food when I attempted the r to r to r this August. Succeeded in the heat, but suffered due to ill fitting shoes, so Ill be doing the hike/run again with better footwear, and slashing a chunk of time off
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ktpinnacle
Went on a rim to rim using Kaibab and Bright Angel and an overnight at the Ranch as a 60 yo. Was at least 20 pounds too heavy, so the downhill was a disaster on my quads. Uphill was slow due to cardio but better. Also kept up the sugar high on the way back.
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Went on a rim to rim using Kaibab and Bright Angel and an overnight at the Ranch as a 60 yo. Was at least 20 pounds too heavy, so the downhill was a disaster on my quads. Uphill was slow due to cardio but better. Also kept up the sugar high on the way back.
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Chuck
Fact: Only 1% of Grand Canyon visitors actually hike to the floor and back let alone rim-to-rim-to-rim. You said you felt 10 pounds lighter -- but at the very end it looked like you had just came off a 30-day water only diet. Kudos for slogging it out.
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Fact: Only 1% of Grand Canyon visitors actually hike to the floor and back let alone rim-to-rim-to-rim. You said you felt 10 pounds lighter -- but at the very end it looked like you had just came off a 30-day water only diet. Kudos for slogging it out.
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Benjamin
OH MAN! I did it in reverse of your direction three years ago and I fee like I still haven't recovered! I don't know why the R2R2R is so brutal like you said, but for some reason (probably the heat/sun) it really decimates the body.
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OH MAN! I did it in reverse of your direction three years ago and I fee like I still haven't recovered! I don't know why the R2R2R is so brutal like you said, but for some reason (probably the heat/sun) it really decimates the body.
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Weilong
Did it twice before, one time with backpack in the winter(Christmas) in two hand half days. Second time in 15 hours in April. I think weather is the key, find a cool or light raining day its going to be much easier.
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Did it twice before, one time with backpack in the winter(Christmas) in two hand half days. Second time in 15 hours in April. I think weather is the key, find a cool or light raining day its going to be much easier.
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Christopher
I had a similar experience in the canyon. all the puking. Common theme for me. I get called Danny by my running friends. Still trying to get it figured out but it's always nice to know I'm in good company.
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I had a similar experience in the canyon. all the puking. Common theme for me. I get called Danny by my running friends. Still trying to get it figured out but it's always nice to know I'm in good company.
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travel
You guys are a trip, so many incredible feats! I assume that these are mostly weekend trips, and I always picture you back at work Monday morning and life goes on. You put the Warrior into Weekend Warrior!
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You guys are a trip, so many incredible feats! I assume that these are mostly weekend trips, and I always picture you back at work Monday morning and life goes on. You put the Warrior into Weekend Warrior!
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Ryan
Bro you need to start upping your salt intake dramatically. you could bonk hard on one of these things and not find a trail angel with gatorade. Such a simple fix and you could beast these things all day.
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Bro you need to start upping your salt intake dramatically. you could bonk hard on one of these things and not find a trail angel with gatorade. Such a simple fix and you could beast these things all day.
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John
I used to be a puker. I was told it was my expelling water because my PH was off dramatically. Started taking salt tablets to balance that out, seems to be effective.
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I used to be a puker. I was told it was my expelling water because my PH was off dramatically. Started taking salt tablets to balance that out, seems to be effective.
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TrailRunnerGuy
This is awesome! And I laugh a little because in all my double crossings I've had a few where I'm right there on the struggle-bus with you! Well done!
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This is awesome! And I laugh a little because in all my double crossings I've had a few where I'm right there on the struggle-bus with you! Well done!
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StevieJ
Wow! Ive been thinking of going down Kaibab, staying for two nights at the bottom and then hiking up Bright Angel. I must be a huge wuss or something.
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Wow! Ive been thinking of going down Kaibab, staying for two nights at the bottom and then hiking up Bright Angel. I must be a huge wuss or something.
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David
We did R2R2R first weekend in March and top 1. 5 miles of canyon was covered in snow and ice. What time of year was this and how long did it take you?
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We did R2R2R first weekend in March and top 1. 5 miles of canyon was covered in snow and ice. What time of year was this and how long did it take you?
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Greg
06: 20 - no matter how much I drink, it's not enough - everything he's describing is heat exhaustion and metabolic acidosis, not dehydration.
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06: 20 - no matter how much I drink, it's not enough - everything he's describing is heat exhaustion and metabolic acidosis, not dehydration.
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Zaitopia
I felt exhausted both rim to rim and south kaibab down bright angel up in one day. rim to rim to rim is completely beyond my capability
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I felt exhausted both rim to rim and south kaibab down bright angel up in one day. rim to rim to rim is completely beyond my capability
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Chris
Recently ran R2R2R2 with some great friends and had a similar experience. The puking is a real thing! Glad to know I wasnt the only one
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Recently ran R2R2R2 with some great friends and had a similar experience. The puking is a real thing! Glad to know I wasnt the only one
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