Our 2024 Ineos Grenadier Finally Arrived And It's As Strange And Epic As I Thought!
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Date: 2024-02-10
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spatterso911
Alex, surprising that even though the Grenadier is modeled and almost a direct copy of the Land Rover Defender, and in the same price range as a current model defender, you spent almost no time mentioning the Defender and zero comparisons. All comparisons seem to be directed towards the Toyota/Lexus and Wrangler/Bronco vehicles. Not sure why, given that many will be cross shopping the Defender. I'm a little dismayed by the appearance of quality in this vehicle. It seems that many of the options are basic level and off the shelf add ons. Not really well integrated into what should be a luxury vehicle. I'm curious as to how Ineos evolves this vehicle over time. It seems that it is more suited to the hardcore 4WD enthusiast and not to those who want to occasionally off road, but still live in a more urban setting. Would love to know how you think this stacks up against the current Defender!
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Alex, surprising that even though the Grenadier is modeled and almost a direct copy of the Land Rover Defender, and in the same price range as a current model defender, you spent almost no time mentioning the Defender and zero comparisons. All comparisons seem to be directed towards the Toyota/Lexus and Wrangler/Bronco vehicles. Not sure why, given that many will be cross shopping the Defender. I'm a little dismayed by the appearance of quality in this vehicle. It seems that many of the options are basic level and off the shelf add ons. Not really well integrated into what should be a luxury vehicle. I'm curious as to how Ineos evolves this vehicle over time. It seems that it is more suited to the hardcore 4WD enthusiast and not to those who want to occasionally off road, but still live in a more urban setting. Would love to know how you think this stacks up against the current Defender!
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markelliott6105
Great review. You really cover a lot of information with a natural fluid style.
See how you feel about the steering once you forget about it. It’s slow, not imprecise, so if you make a small correction, just let it do its thing, don’t get impatient and give it more, that just leads to the back and forth with the wheel. It actually holds its line very well and requires little intervention.
It does self center, as illustrated in your split screen driving. It needs you to drive it back about the last quarter turn but that’s really what a driver should be doing anyway. My RX-8 had great steering but didn’t self center all the way either. However, low speed tight car park manoeuvres do require more effort to spin it back to center and you need all the lock you can get in the Grenadier so that does suck a bit.
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Great review. You really cover a lot of information with a natural fluid style.
See how you feel about the steering once you forget about it. It’s slow, not imprecise, so if you make a small correction, just let it do its thing, don’t get impatient and give it more, that just leads to the back and forth with the wheel. It actually holds its line very well and requires little intervention.
It does self center, as illustrated in your split screen driving. It needs you to drive it back about the last quarter turn but that’s really what a driver should be doing anyway. My RX-8 had great steering but didn’t self center all the way either. However, low speed tight car park manoeuvres do require more effort to spin it back to center and you need all the lock you can get in the Grenadier so that does suck a bit.
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alex_on_autos
I have a theory and you may be able to figure out whether I'm correct. It goes like this. When Sir Jim was turned down by Land Rover to buy the factory line for the Defender, he turned to Mercedes Benz and actually bought the factory line for the G-wagon W-461 which ceased production in 2022. It was also a solid front axle design engineeed by Magna, which had recirculating ball steering which was not very well liked by journalists. He of course also bought the factory in Homberg, France and had the factory line moved there. I expect the Mercedes conditions of the contract were that he make the vehicle look British and not recognizable as a G-wagon derivative. Much the same as Chrysler did with so many old Mercedes platforms.
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I have a theory and you may be able to figure out whether I'm correct. It goes like this. When Sir Jim was turned down by Land Rover to buy the factory line for the Defender, he turned to Mercedes Benz and actually bought the factory line for the G-wagon W-461 which ceased production in 2022. It was also a solid front axle design engineeed by Magna, which had recirculating ball steering which was not very well liked by journalists. He of course also bought the factory in Homberg, France and had the factory line moved there. I expect the Mercedes conditions of the contract were that he make the vehicle look British and not recognizable as a G-wagon derivative. Much the same as Chrysler did with so many old Mercedes platforms.
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GnosticDevice
I own a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon currently. I've been following the Grenadier extremely closely. There's so much I love here. There's also a lot of stuff that the industry solved long ago and makes you scratch your head make it here. Also some features just seem unfinished. Overall though. I hope their order books stay full. I think this will improve greatly over time and with aftermarket support.
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I own a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon currently. I've been following the Grenadier extremely closely. There's so much I love here. There's also a lot of stuff that the industry solved long ago and makes you scratch your head make it here. Also some features just seem unfinished. Overall though. I hope their order books stay full. I think this will improve greatly over time and with aftermarket support.
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spinmouth4114
What an enjoyable and entertaining video. Yummy, Boxy, Green, Off Road Champion of a purchase. An exclusive, niche offering with distinctive and appealing features to be sure. If you have the time and inclination to compare the capabilities and features with TFL, that would certainly be a special treat for eveyone. That boxy profile sure looks nice. Excellent work Alex.
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What an enjoyable and entertaining video. Yummy, Boxy, Green, Off Road Champion of a purchase. An exclusive, niche offering with distinctive and appealing features to be sure. If you have the time and inclination to compare the capabilities and features with TFL, that would certainly be a special treat for eveyone. That boxy profile sure looks nice. Excellent work Alex.
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kyolml
I test drove one. It's cool, but the price, it's just a little bit too expensive that beside the space advantage compared to the Wrangler, nothing I can't think of that Wrangler can't do or better than this. Wrangler is more refined and polished than this, while being 20-30k cheaper and better offroad (at least proven) if you are ok with the pentastar engine.
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I test drove one. It's cool, but the price, it's just a little bit too expensive that beside the space advantage compared to the Wrangler, nothing I can't think of that Wrangler can't do or better than this. Wrangler is more refined and polished than this, while being 20-30k cheaper and better offroad (at least proven) if you are ok with the pentastar engine.
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nallekanki
I would like to see a video of a Grenadier in a parking lot. How much space does it need Can you park between cars in a busy parking lot
Also, I would like to see it driving in a town/city.
Another thing. Could you demonstrate/visualize the ground clearance Maybe drive over some measured cardboard pieces or something.
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I would like to see a video of a Grenadier in a parking lot. How much space does it need Can you park between cars in a busy parking lot
Also, I would like to see it driving in a town/city.
Another thing. Could you demonstrate/visualize the ground clearance Maybe drive over some measured cardboard pieces or something.
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rightlanehog3151
Alex, After the Mitsubishi Outlander Plug-in disappointment/debacle, is it safe to say you will be choosing your own long-term vehicles from now on With Ineos introducing another solid front axle 4X4 to our market to compete with high end Wranglers, Toyota really has no excuse to deny us their real deal 70 Series.
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Alex, After the Mitsubishi Outlander Plug-in disappointment/debacle, is it safe to say you will be choosing your own long-term vehicles from now on With Ineos introducing another solid front axle 4X4 to our market to compete with high end Wranglers, Toyota really has no excuse to deny us their real deal 70 Series.
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Rascofresco11
I must admit, I’m truly glad you finally wore something long enough to cover your jeans pockets. Otherwise great video/update as always. An Ineos dealer just opened shop down here in St. Pete. It hits so differently when see in person. _Best lifestyle vehicle of the year maybe_
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I must admit, I’m truly glad you finally wore something long enough to cover your jeans pockets. Otherwise great video/update as always. An Ineos dealer just opened shop down here in St. Pete. It hits so differently when see in person. _Best lifestyle vehicle of the year maybe_
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robertom883
This vehicle is not a SUV, theres nothing sporty about it like a 4runner, Bronco or even the new Defender. This is a proper 4WD UTILITY WAGON. Just like the Old Defender was and the Land Cruiser 70 series, not sold in North America.
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This vehicle is not a SUV, theres nothing sporty about it like a 4runner, Bronco or even the new Defender. This is a proper 4WD UTILITY WAGON. Just like the Old Defender was and the Land Cruiser 70 series, not sold in North America.
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naveenthemachine
That looks like the perfect blend of g wagon and defender. And the bmw b58
Imagine this with the Lexus 5. 0L v8 and 10 speed or the JLR 5. 0L supercharged v8, or the FCA 6. 4L 392 HEMI
Any of these combos would be epic
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That looks like the perfect blend of g wagon and defender. And the bmw b58
Imagine this with the Lexus 5. 0L v8 and 10 speed or the JLR 5. 0L supercharged v8, or the FCA 6. 4L 392 HEMI
Any of these combos would be epic
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edwardrick7388
I would love an explanation of what all these differentials and lockers do, and examples of when you use them. A great off-road video would be awesome. This is a wild weird vehicle. Its Wonderfull.
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I would love an explanation of what all these differentials and lockers do, and examples of when you use them. A great off-road video would be awesome. This is a wild weird vehicle. Its Wonderfull.
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edysinsimon8646
Nice to see a preview of what I ordered just a month ago! Green as well with the off road option and back half roof rack. I look forward to a real factory off road vehicle with lockers both ends!
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Nice to see a preview of what I ordered just a month ago! Green as well with the off road option and back half roof rack. I look forward to a real factory off road vehicle with lockers both ends!
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marsettenmohn
The best thing about Alex is that he lacks any detectable amount of pretension in his reviews. I doubt he has any at all, and that is a refreshing quality in this corner of the internet especially.
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The best thing about Alex is that he lacks any detectable amount of pretension in his reviews. I doubt he has any at all, and that is a refreshing quality in this corner of the internet especially.
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kidnamedfinger6323
I appreciate how (relatively) low the hood is on this vehicle. Shows that we need updated pedestrian safety regulations here in the US so we dont get things like the chevy suburban et al.
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I appreciate how (relatively) low the hood is on this vehicle. Shows that we need updated pedestrian safety regulations here in the US so we dont get things like the chevy suburban et al.
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damilolaakanni
That BMW shifter really sticks out like a sore thumb. it looks out of place. I wish Ineos would have used a shifter design of their own that fits the rest of the interior.
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That BMW shifter really sticks out like a sore thumb. it looks out of place. I wish Ineos would have used a shifter design of their own that fits the rest of the interior.
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Silverfox1982
Its so funny how everyone completely dogged the mpg of GX 460 being(16-18, when there are multiple rigs that are 6 cylinders getting the same or worse mpg than the 4. 6 V8.
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Its so funny how everyone completely dogged the mpg of GX 460 being(16-18, when there are multiple rigs that are 6 cylinders getting the same or worse mpg than the 4. 6 V8.
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Qrail
British Racing Green Lucas Prince of Darkness included A meetup with TFL. That would be fun. I will be interested in the future updates of this new addition to the family.
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British Racing Green Lucas Prince of Darkness included A meetup with TFL. That would be fun. I will be interested in the future updates of this new addition to the family.
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ldodom
Congrats, Alex! Enjoy it! It’s ideal for your property, and future content.
Whenever it’s time to replace your tires, consider getting a set of the AEV Saltos wheels.
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Congrats, Alex! Enjoy it! It’s ideal for your property, and future content.
Whenever it’s time to replace your tires, consider getting a set of the AEV Saltos wheels.
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