Model 3 SR+ Range Take Two Viewer Consumption Numbers
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Date: 2019-06-06
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Adam Fink
Thanks for the update Alex I honestly would have been surprised if the average mileage was close to the EPA's rating since Tesla's are quick and fun cars. Most people will drive them more for fun/utility and not necessarily efficiency. Tesla's seem like great cars with great technology and all, but I won't bother considering one until Tesla more readily supplies replacement parts so a damaged interior component or minor fender bender won't set me back several thousand dollars and many weeks/months. I don't care whether the problem is nervous shops that don't want to deal with high voltage EVs or Tesla being super corporate, I want third party shops to have more control in being able to work on Tesla's for fixes I can't do myself. It'd be great if I could order components myself as well. The whole culture around discouraging people/3rd parties from working on products and being completely dependent on Tesla/(insert any other big tech company here) for parts the company does not seem to not want to stock in the first place is not something I ever want to deal with. I don't care if Tesla provides a loaner vehicle while they fix my car, that's besides the point. I don't want to get billed for outrageous labor rates that competitive 3rd party shops tend to alleviate (or I'll do the repair myself and cut out the middle man entirely if it's a minor repair/maintenance. Honestly if this one aspect was changed I'd probably get the Model Y for my next car. Until then I'm sticking with Toyota.
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Thanks for the update Alex I honestly would have been surprised if the average mileage was close to the EPA's rating since Tesla's are quick and fun cars. Most people will drive them more for fun/utility and not necessarily efficiency. Tesla's seem like great cars with great technology and all, but I won't bother considering one until Tesla more readily supplies replacement parts so a damaged interior component or minor fender bender won't set me back several thousand dollars and many weeks/months. I don't care whether the problem is nervous shops that don't want to deal with high voltage EVs or Tesla being super corporate, I want third party shops to have more control in being able to work on Tesla's for fixes I can't do myself. It'd be great if I could order components myself as well. The whole culture around discouraging people/3rd parties from working on products and being completely dependent on Tesla/(insert any other big tech company here) for parts the company does not seem to not want to stock in the first place is not something I ever want to deal with. I don't care if Tesla provides a loaner vehicle while they fix my car, that's besides the point. I don't want to get billed for outrageous labor rates that competitive 3rd party shops tend to alleviate (or I'll do the repair myself and cut out the middle man entirely if it's a minor repair/maintenance. Honestly if this one aspect was changed I'd probably get the Model Y for my next car. Until then I'm sticking with Toyota.
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kens97sto171
So, when I do the math comparing the cost of electricity at my local rates at my residence. 0. 11/kwh, to the total cost per mile of my 2008 Prius with 290, 000 miles. Which is 0. 07 / mile including all gas at 40mpg average, maintenance, and tires. I would have saved 3265 over that 75, 899 miles. If I charged only at my home. But for ME that's not even really practical. I'm on the road constantly so would be using Superchargers almost exclusively. From what I understand the Superchargers are roughly double whatever the local utility rates are. If I use that number 0. 22/kwh. I only save 1218Doesn't seem like a great bargain to me when calculated per mile. and factoring purchase price and cost of operation. Vs what I could buy on the used market or even a new Prius which would have significantly lower cost per mile than my old Prius. I fully realize a Prius is not a comparable car to a Model 3 in performance. However a Prius is far more practical for my needs. Great information Alex I like how you pooled the data to get more realistic numbers. keep up the great work. looking forward to seeing more Nexos videos soon.
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So, when I do the math comparing the cost of electricity at my local rates at my residence. 0. 11/kwh, to the total cost per mile of my 2008 Prius with 290, 000 miles. Which is 0. 07 / mile including all gas at 40mpg average, maintenance, and tires. I would have saved 3265 over that 75, 899 miles. If I charged only at my home. But for ME that's not even really practical. I'm on the road constantly so would be using Superchargers almost exclusively. From what I understand the Superchargers are roughly double whatever the local utility rates are. If I use that number 0. 22/kwh. I only save 1218Doesn't seem like a great bargain to me when calculated per mile. and factoring purchase price and cost of operation. Vs what I could buy on the used market or even a new Prius which would have significantly lower cost per mile than my old Prius. I fully realize a Prius is not a comparable car to a Model 3 in performance. However a Prius is far more practical for my needs. Great information Alex I like how you pooled the data to get more realistic numbers. keep up the great work. looking forward to seeing more Nexos videos soon.
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Pikminiman
It does not surprise me that you got a lot of pushback from the Tesla loyal. I've seen them in action up close, since I often count myself among them, and there's no doubt that Tesla loyalty often goes too far. As such, it's refreshing to see an authority such as yourself address this controversy with such objectivity. Personally, I don't know why anyone expected Model 3 to get EPA range in the real world in the first place. Not only is it a relatively small battery pack -- the nature of the car simply encourages spirited driving, which is not efficient.
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It does not surprise me that you got a lot of pushback from the Tesla loyal. I've seen them in action up close, since I often count myself among them, and there's no doubt that Tesla loyalty often goes too far. As such, it's refreshing to see an authority such as yourself address this controversy with such objectivity. Personally, I don't know why anyone expected Model 3 to get EPA range in the real world in the first place. Not only is it a relatively small battery pack -- the nature of the car simply encourages spirited driving, which is not efficient.
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J T
Good info. I agree that the variance with your own test is fine. Contrary to what many seem to think, not all Tesla fans are what I think of as fanboy (which in my mind is someone that is unwilling to see/concede that bad with the good with fill-in-the-blank. While one can certainly get better consumption with babying it, your test is very valid as normal driving. Due to the current downsides of charging vs filling up a gas tank, understanding real world electric range is more valuable than comparative real world gas range vs EPA. Again, good info. :)
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Good info. I agree that the variance with your own test is fine. Contrary to what many seem to think, not all Tesla fans are what I think of as fanboy (which in my mind is someone that is unwilling to see/concede that bad with the good with fill-in-the-blank. While one can certainly get better consumption with babying it, your test is very valid as normal driving. Due to the current downsides of charging vs filling up a gas tank, understanding real world electric range is more valuable than comparative real world gas range vs EPA. Again, good info. :)
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A.E. W.
Alex, just for your reference I am getting 4. 0 m/kWh avg with my Leaf E-plus with over 700 miles traveled so far but do I care if you or anyone else claims less? Nope, for one thing 90% of my miles have been under 60mph and city-driving only, so obviously range efficiency is through the roof thanks to brake regen. You made it very clear how you tested the E-plus and tesla 3 and I am surprised anyone is complaining. Maybe the irate tesla fanbois have wild hairs up their butt from driving on those over-inflated tires: )
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Alex, just for your reference I am getting 4. 0 m/kWh avg with my Leaf E-plus with over 700 miles traveled so far but do I care if you or anyone else claims less? Nope, for one thing 90% of my miles have been under 60mph and city-driving only, so obviously range efficiency is through the roof thanks to brake regen. You made it very clear how you tested the E-plus and tesla 3 and I am surprised anyone is complaining. Maybe the irate tesla fanbois have wild hairs up their butt from driving on those over-inflated tires: )
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Ryan
In Australia at least we are not ready for EV cars, theyre increasing the amount of charge stations and its becoming a great network. Just hasnt got their yet, comparable cars get between 700-1000 kms to a tank and with my driving style would not be getting close to the acclaimed 595km range on the long range model three. Patiently waiting for EV cars to get better ranges so I can feel that instant torque in my daily driver (need something that burns fuel for the weekends)
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In Australia at least we are not ready for EV cars, theyre increasing the amount of charge stations and its becoming a great network. Just hasnt got their yet, comparable cars get between 700-1000 kms to a tank and with my driving style would not be getting close to the acclaimed 595km range on the long range model three. Patiently waiting for EV cars to get better ranges so I can feel that instant torque in my daily driver (need something that burns fuel for the weekends)
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Peter Claggett
The Model 3 SR must have a much more efficient battery than the MR or LR or it has a 55 kWh battery. The MR (which I have) has a 62 kWh battery which at 4. 2 mi/kWh yields 260 miles of range. The LR has a 75 kWh battery which yields 315 miles of range using the same math. The only way the SR can get 230+ miles of range with just a 50 kWh battery is if its battery is much more efficient than the MR or LR or the battery is really 55+ kWh. Which is it?
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The Model 3 SR must have a much more efficient battery than the MR or LR or it has a 55 kWh battery. The MR (which I have) has a 62 kWh battery which at 4. 2 mi/kWh yields 260 miles of range. The LR has a 75 kWh battery which yields 315 miles of range using the same math. The only way the SR can get 230+ miles of range with just a 50 kWh battery is if its battery is much more efficient than the MR or LR or the battery is really 55+ kWh. Which is it?
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A.E. W.
itsaconpiracy. lol great name. Sorry to see you are getting heat from the tesla fanboi club. Don't worry the Leaf Eplus fanboi club which I am president of, does not have an ego issue with you placing the E-plus dead last in your recent comparison; ) I hope you do a proper review of the E-plus soon, I still think it's a great car for the money (7500 tax refund plus incentives) but don't worry I won't be harassing you if you don't think so.
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itsaconpiracy. lol great name. Sorry to see you are getting heat from the tesla fanboi club. Don't worry the Leaf Eplus fanboi club which I am president of, does not have an ego issue with you placing the E-plus dead last in your recent comparison; ) I hope you do a proper review of the E-plus soon, I still think it's a great car for the money (7500 tax refund plus incentives) but don't worry I won't be harassing you if you don't think so.
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Bill B
New EV drivers soon learn that if they want to respect their batteries then charging to 80% and never going below 10% means a lot less miles then the EPA advertised range. We should be discussing the real world range of an EV when considering good battery management.
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New EV drivers soon learn that if they want to respect their batteries then charging to 80% and never going below 10% means a lot less miles then the EPA advertised range. We should be discussing the real world range of an EV when considering good battery management.
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