POD Filters Mythbusted
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2. dont forget open air filter will pull hot air in = loss of power
3. open air filter als less a problem if for turbo engine in fakt is dose not matter at all the turbo itself will 100% headup the incomming air and intercooler will cool it down againif a fan is in fron /or you move you car
4. with a bigger engine 2. 6 -> 6l you can get more power of a preformens filter, it only depends on how much volume of air your filter can get through in a 1 sek and how much air your engine can take in in a 1 sek
if you engine can take 3-4L of air in 1 sek but you paper filter can only get 2-3L of air through a preformance filter will give you more preformens
Date: 2020-07-07
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MrDman
As a bonus of having such a Long Ram Air Intake or CAI Cold Air Intake fella like you call it. What you guy installed is a Short Ram Intake, it never going to see the days to get colder oxygen somewhere but instead have a mixture of heat of the radiator, or worse, on top of the engine in front of a radiator. This test barely proves driving with airflow going into the fins and got the nerve to have a stock to have something a Short Ram Intake to be require to gain strong boost of horsepower I'm not shock sherlock. You were being a idiot's. The very differentiation of one. The Short Ram is intended for one thing, Throttle Respond to get up and go in return of losing gas and horsepower without a Ram Intake Kits like the Stock have.
You seem like a cool guys so I let you know a few things before I get to asking you to do a actual testing out a myth that nobody know about.
I brought a Air Breather for my 2004 Cavalier Ls after I broke the hose connector of the awful Intake design but it is practical to be easily, EASILY get into the oils filter and pretty damn cheap maintenance minus no dip stick for a 4 speed electronic auto transmission. Swamping the filter to a rewashable one isn't what I paid for 20 for performance of a 2. 2 Ecotech L61 even though it still a quick Cavalier Ls. Try Swapping a Secret Weapon R by Weapon R like I have. Gotten 34-36Mpg in the warm climate of the summer, down to 32mpg in the fall cold winter before storage in Michigan. Much more easier to remove then the stock and I wanted to believe the pipe within a pipe design work with the Intake of my purchase for my Cavalier 2. 2L EcoTech L61 engine and starting to think it is because of the special Filter it have. However being a Long Ram Air Intake system both stock and a 280 part, the 280 have better throttle respond.
Here a Myths I like you to bust. Bust that this Secret Weapon R do not gain horsepower from a Stock Intake is a fair trade as both are away from the radiator in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier to a 2005 Chevy Cavalier or late 2002 Cavalier Sport. Let not stop there though, tested with both the Foam Intake of Weapon R Million Mile Warranty to the test of a Aftermarket Intake of the same Intake of the Weapon R. One more, see if the Pipe within a Pipe actually make benefits of pulling cold air faster because the center hole is moving faster than the outer hole to soon pull as quick the center pull stronger from the opening full throttle, to the floor.
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As a bonus of having such a Long Ram Air Intake or CAI Cold Air Intake fella like you call it. What you guy installed is a Short Ram Intake, it never going to see the days to get colder oxygen somewhere but instead have a mixture of heat of the radiator, or worse, on top of the engine in front of a radiator. This test barely proves driving with airflow going into the fins and got the nerve to have a stock to have something a Short Ram Intake to be require to gain strong boost of horsepower I'm not shock sherlock. You were being a idiot's. The very differentiation of one. The Short Ram is intended for one thing, Throttle Respond to get up and go in return of losing gas and horsepower without a Ram Intake Kits like the Stock have.
You seem like a cool guys so I let you know a few things before I get to asking you to do a actual testing out a myth that nobody know about.
I brought a Air Breather for my 2004 Cavalier Ls after I broke the hose connector of the awful Intake design but it is practical to be easily, EASILY get into the oils filter and pretty damn cheap maintenance minus no dip stick for a 4 speed electronic auto transmission. Swamping the filter to a rewashable one isn't what I paid for 20 for performance of a 2. 2 Ecotech L61 even though it still a quick Cavalier Ls. Try Swapping a Secret Weapon R by Weapon R like I have. Gotten 34-36Mpg in the warm climate of the summer, down to 32mpg in the fall cold winter before storage in Michigan. Much more easier to remove then the stock and I wanted to believe the pipe within a pipe design work with the Intake of my purchase for my Cavalier 2. 2L EcoTech L61 engine and starting to think it is because of the special Filter it have. However being a Long Ram Air Intake system both stock and a 280 part, the 280 have better throttle respond.
Here a Myths I like you to bust. Bust that this Secret Weapon R do not gain horsepower from a Stock Intake is a fair trade as both are away from the radiator in a 2003 Chevy Cavalier to a 2005 Chevy Cavalier or late 2002 Cavalier Sport. Let not stop there though, tested with both the Foam Intake of Weapon R Million Mile Warranty to the test of a Aftermarket Intake of the same Intake of the Weapon R. One more, see if the Pipe within a Pipe actually make benefits of pulling cold air faster because the center hole is moving faster than the outer hole to soon pull as quick the center pull stronger from the opening full throttle, to the floor.
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Joe
What people need to remember is that with stuff like this the manufacturer has some guy who probably is the real guy off good will hunting in a room looking at the new car designs and does some astrophysics level math to figure out exactly where the air filters should go, what the bolts should be torqued to so they stretch just a little bit to get the perfect holding force, how many bolts, how much gas to get the best fuel economy and power balance and tons of other little details. The reason cars don't look exactly like the designer made them is because either they needed to change it a bit for manufacturing or performance which is all figured out by our friend Will. If there was a bit of extra power to be had for a filter location and type change, Will would have found it. Turbo's, engine mods such as camshaft or driveshaft changes, heads or other mods work because your trading power for efficiency the manufacturer didn't make because it's not a selling point. Also sometimes you can add modern improvements to older vehicles like swapping the head on an AMC 258ci I6 for an edelbrock with FI and some new manifolds and get more power but a different filter with a location change won't do it.
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What people need to remember is that with stuff like this the manufacturer has some guy who probably is the real guy off good will hunting in a room looking at the new car designs and does some astrophysics level math to figure out exactly where the air filters should go, what the bolts should be torqued to so they stretch just a little bit to get the perfect holding force, how many bolts, how much gas to get the best fuel economy and power balance and tons of other little details. The reason cars don't look exactly like the designer made them is because either they needed to change it a bit for manufacturing or performance which is all figured out by our friend Will. If there was a bit of extra power to be had for a filter location and type change, Will would have found it. Turbo's, engine mods such as camshaft or driveshaft changes, heads or other mods work because your trading power for efficiency the manufacturer didn't make because it's not a selling point. Also sometimes you can add modern improvements to older vehicles like swapping the head on an AMC 258ci I6 for an edelbrock with FI and some new manifolds and get more power but a different filter with a location change won't do it.
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DeAtHaToMiC
This video could do we a re-do there's are some differences in pod/panel filters and also box mods and changes. One thing that is apparent is that they never took into account heat suck in these tests. As the engine gets hotter its obviously going to make more heat. In an unprotected cone filter that air is going to get sucked into the engine especially while the car is static on a dyno thus. No power increase.
SOME box's are designed for high flow and equipping the box with a high flow filter can also result in a bit of a power boost (4-6hp.
Where a decent amount of power gain has been seen though is the enclosed filter systems. Not nesaaserily on the dyno if there's no fan on though.
The enclosed pods give the effect of a pod but also protect against sucking static engine heat, and are also non restrictive.
It would be great to see if they could run these tests again taking these point into concideration because of all the people I know with modded cars I've yet to hear anyone who's got anything bad at all to say about the enclosed setup.
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This video could do we a re-do there's are some differences in pod/panel filters and also box mods and changes. One thing that is apparent is that they never took into account heat suck in these tests. As the engine gets hotter its obviously going to make more heat. In an unprotected cone filter that air is going to get sucked into the engine especially while the car is static on a dyno thus. No power increase.
SOME box's are designed for high flow and equipping the box with a high flow filter can also result in a bit of a power boost (4-6hp.
Where a decent amount of power gain has been seen though is the enclosed filter systems. Not nesaaserily on the dyno if there's no fan on though.
The enclosed pods give the effect of a pod but also protect against sucking static engine heat, and are also non restrictive.
It would be great to see if they could run these tests again taking these point into concideration because of all the people I know with modded cars I've yet to hear anyone who's got anything bad at all to say about the enclosed setup.
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Rebel
this test is about as dumb as saying that larger throttle bodies don't add horsepower. if there is another restriction further down, then no it wont make a difference- alone. with an exhaust and maybe even a little tuning you will for sure be able to notice the difference. slap a stock air box on a modified car and then do this test. this is also as dumb as saying adding drag tires didn't make my car go any faster. a lot of engine components need other mods to have their full potential realized. what should have been done is to take the intakes and put them on a flow machine and see how many cfm each flows. that's an undeniable test. till then, ill stick with my high flow intakes and supporting mods.
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this test is about as dumb as saying that larger throttle bodies don't add horsepower. if there is another restriction further down, then no it wont make a difference- alone. with an exhaust and maybe even a little tuning you will for sure be able to notice the difference. slap a stock air box on a modified car and then do this test. this is also as dumb as saying adding drag tires didn't make my car go any faster. a lot of engine components need other mods to have their full potential realized. what should have been done is to take the intakes and put them on a flow machine and see how many cfm each flows. that's an undeniable test. till then, ill stick with my high flow intakes and supporting mods.
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autos
Rake liked this.
I notice a disturbing amount of idiots in the comments section who don't realise there IS a fan in front of the car (big blue box with 'mainline' on it is a bit of a giveaway) and that all MCM was demonstrating here is that going out and lobbing a pod filter in an otherwise stock car WILL NOT make power despite what the internet thinks.
Obviously lots of red faced morons trying to justify their overly expensive, potentially detrimental to performance and longevity purchases.
The same morons will insist the car is much faster post new pod filter but I'd wager it's all down to a placebo effect; it sounds louder so it must be faster!
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Rake liked this.
I notice a disturbing amount of idiots in the comments section who don't realise there IS a fan in front of the car (big blue box with 'mainline' on it is a bit of a giveaway) and that all MCM was demonstrating here is that going out and lobbing a pod filter in an otherwise stock car WILL NOT make power despite what the internet thinks.
Obviously lots of red faced morons trying to justify their overly expensive, potentially detrimental to performance and longevity purchases.
The same morons will insist the car is much faster post new pod filter but I'd wager it's all down to a placebo effect; it sounds louder so it must be faster!
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Mykl
It's strange. Many people told me about how dirty the intake gets with oiled panel filter replacements. I suspect most of them either repeated what they were told or didn't install them properly.
I put one in my bike, which I used for commuting 800km a week & the intake was spotless whenever I cleaned the filter. I didn't do it for power though. The Blackbird had far more than enough of that for me. It was because OEM Honda filters ran at about 30 ea & the panel was 120. 4 filter changes later, (maybe a year later, I was financially ahead. >150, 000km later, it still never had any problems & didn't even need any valve adjustments.
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It's strange. Many people told me about how dirty the intake gets with oiled panel filter replacements. I suspect most of them either repeated what they were told or didn't install them properly.
I put one in my bike, which I used for commuting 800km a week & the intake was spotless whenever I cleaned the filter. I didn't do it for power though. The Blackbird had far more than enough of that for me. It was because OEM Honda filters ran at about 30 ea & the panel was 120. 4 filter changes later, (maybe a year later, I was financially ahead. >150, 000km later, it still never had any problems & didn't even need any valve adjustments.
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Skeptical
Trying to bust myths while perpetuating one. Oiled air filters like the ones that come from K&N will not effect the air flow sensor in any way. But may people wash there oiled filters and reapply the oil to it not knowing it takes a long time for that oil to fully dry and properly bond onto the filters. Those people have problems. The prematurely installed filters oil will then be sucked through the intake coating everything including the sensor. This has been tested thoroughly by K&N. I cant speak to any other oil air filter company however.
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Trying to bust myths while perpetuating one. Oiled air filters like the ones that come from K&N will not effect the air flow sensor in any way. But may people wash there oiled filters and reapply the oil to it not knowing it takes a long time for that oil to fully dry and properly bond onto the filters. Those people have problems. The prematurely installed filters oil will then be sucked through the intake coating everything including the sensor. This has been tested thoroughly by K&N. I cant speak to any other oil air filter company however.
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Tiago
Very old video, but will comment. If this car was outside cruising at highway speed with cold air outside (or even just a bit colder than your engine bay) it would even make more of a difference. If you gone put a pod filter, do it at a place where you can get cold air and where it is shielded from hot air. Even with a big intercooler, if the air going in it's already cold it will make a difference. Also, it is obvious, that the air filter box helps with the longevity of the filter itself.
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Very old video, but will comment. If this car was outside cruising at highway speed with cold air outside (or even just a bit colder than your engine bay) it would even make more of a difference. If you gone put a pod filter, do it at a place where you can get cold air and where it is shielded from hot air. Even with a big intercooler, if the air going in it's already cold it will make a difference. Also, it is obvious, that the air filter box helps with the longevity of the filter itself.
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