We Need To Talk About Why Prisoners in the US Are Striking.
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Courtney Smith
My wife is a correctional officer for the state of Illinois. Its difficult for me to look at this with an unbiased view. The prison system itself is absolutely messed up, and a lot of people are in prison that probably shouldnt be especially for things like marijuana possession. But in maximum-security prisons, which is where my wife works at, The way inmates are being expected to be treated actually creates so much more issue. The state is wanting to create a focus on mental health to the point of nearly coddling the inmates, Which decreases the amount of authority correctional officers have and increases the amount of risk to their lives. There are prisons that are getting Wi-Fi and cable and its turning into a place that would be better for people to be in then out just because its easier to get a comfortable living. Prison is supposed to be a punishment, a place that people do not want to go to, and its losing that effective edge. The main point is, these people did something to lose their rights. I am not talking about misdemeanors or as I mentioned before marijuana related ones as an example. Im talking about child molesters, rapists, murderers, people who have proven they dont care what is done to other people as long as they get satisfaction from it. I think that just blatantly saying there should be no life in prison is guaranteeing someone will hurt a person in the public again when it couldve been prevented by life in prison. I do know for sure that any measures taken, the life of those who work for the prison, the correctional officers administration the nurses and everyone who is not an inmate that goes to those prisons Should definitely be taking into consideration and in no way should change is create an even more risky work environment
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My wife is a correctional officer for the state of Illinois. Its difficult for me to look at this with an unbiased view. The prison system itself is absolutely messed up, and a lot of people are in prison that probably shouldnt be especially for things like marijuana possession. But in maximum-security prisons, which is where my wife works at, The way inmates are being expected to be treated actually creates so much more issue. The state is wanting to create a focus on mental health to the point of nearly coddling the inmates, Which decreases the amount of authority correctional officers have and increases the amount of risk to their lives. There are prisons that are getting Wi-Fi and cable and its turning into a place that would be better for people to be in then out just because its easier to get a comfortable living. Prison is supposed to be a punishment, a place that people do not want to go to, and its losing that effective edge. The main point is, these people did something to lose their rights. I am not talking about misdemeanors or as I mentioned before marijuana related ones as an example. Im talking about child molesters, rapists, murderers, people who have proven they dont care what is done to other people as long as they get satisfaction from it. I think that just blatantly saying there should be no life in prison is guaranteeing someone will hurt a person in the public again when it couldve been prevented by life in prison. I do know for sure that any measures taken, the life of those who work for the prison, the correctional officers administration the nurses and everyone who is not an inmate that goes to those prisons Should definitely be taking into consideration and in no way should change is create an even more risky work environment
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Lessthanthree
Although I personally do not know much about the prison system in the US it seems that there is a need for change. However I think broad statements like all inmates should get this or all inmates should be denied that are too simplistic and fail to capture the nuances surrounding what that person has done getting into prison, what their behaviour has been like since then, if they have had a stable environment previous to their incarceration and if it is likely that they could benefit from more stability? Since you have a jury of your peers judging every) trial would it not be better to also have them at least have an input as to whether they think the person in question would take any lesson or job seriously and if they could be rehabilitated through this measure? I think that prison jobs should not be payed the same amount as food, housing, etc. are all provided. However inmates who sincerely work hard should be able to send a little bit of money home to support their family. What I simply cannot accept is that once convicted you do not have the right to vote again. I hope I misunderstood Phil there (because it's early, and I'm still sleepy. Things you should never take from a person: basic choices (as long as those do not hurt anyone in any way, sustainance, shelter, warmth, communication. The choice of a representative is important for long lasting change. If there are flaws in a system then talk to those that have been wrongly or overly affected by it. You have those. You even know who they are. Talk to them and see what they think could be done. They will certainly know better than me. Other than that thank you for reading and I hope you have a nice day you gorgeous human: )
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Although I personally do not know much about the prison system in the US it seems that there is a need for change. However I think broad statements like all inmates should get this or all inmates should be denied that are too simplistic and fail to capture the nuances surrounding what that person has done getting into prison, what their behaviour has been like since then, if they have had a stable environment previous to their incarceration and if it is likely that they could benefit from more stability? Since you have a jury of your peers judging every) trial would it not be better to also have them at least have an input as to whether they think the person in question would take any lesson or job seriously and if they could be rehabilitated through this measure? I think that prison jobs should not be payed the same amount as food, housing, etc. are all provided. However inmates who sincerely work hard should be able to send a little bit of money home to support their family. What I simply cannot accept is that once convicted you do not have the right to vote again. I hope I misunderstood Phil there (because it's early, and I'm still sleepy. Things you should never take from a person: basic choices (as long as those do not hurt anyone in any way, sustainance, shelter, warmth, communication. The choice of a representative is important for long lasting change. If there are flaws in a system then talk to those that have been wrongly or overly affected by it. You have those. You even know who they are. Talk to them and see what they think could be done. They will certainly know better than me. Other than that thank you for reading and I hope you have a nice day you gorgeous human: )
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Foxstream
Sorry I kinda don't want serial killers, rapist and child molesters getting a voice. Talking about getting 32 wages and a chance for parole. Hell no. Meanwhile, you got law-abiding citizens with 2 or 3 jobs trying to make ends meet because living wages make living hard. Absolutely not. Im all for rehabilitation for minor / non-violent offences. And If you serve your time Im all for voting rights. I'm not up for voting rights for people who are in jail. The moment you commit a crime, you get punished, your rights should be taken away, you lose your freedom and voting rights (not to mention if you a rapist or childmolester you're not even human in my eyes anyway. It should be a hell hole, if it's some sort of fun house, what's stopping people from going back? They are already getting food and health care and a place to lay their head with taxpayer's dollars. Thats already the basics of what humans need to survive. And again law-abiding citizens do not even have acess to free health care. Bt criminals do. yall have enough. Mind you this is the opinion for actual criminals, those who are wrongfully committed or people who are in jail for simple drug possession I feel bad, and I think there should be things in place to protect those folks or to rehibilitate them. Violent criminals can stay where they are.
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Sorry I kinda don't want serial killers, rapist and child molesters getting a voice. Talking about getting 32 wages and a chance for parole. Hell no. Meanwhile, you got law-abiding citizens with 2 or 3 jobs trying to make ends meet because living wages make living hard. Absolutely not. Im all for rehabilitation for minor / non-violent offences. And If you serve your time Im all for voting rights. I'm not up for voting rights for people who are in jail. The moment you commit a crime, you get punished, your rights should be taken away, you lose your freedom and voting rights (not to mention if you a rapist or childmolester you're not even human in my eyes anyway. It should be a hell hole, if it's some sort of fun house, what's stopping people from going back? They are already getting food and health care and a place to lay their head with taxpayer's dollars. Thats already the basics of what humans need to survive. And again law-abiding citizens do not even have acess to free health care. Bt criminals do. yall have enough. Mind you this is the opinion for actual criminals, those who are wrongfully committed or people who are in jail for simple drug possession I feel bad, and I think there should be things in place to protect those folks or to rehibilitate them. Violent criminals can stay where they are.
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Mikado
Phil, the Injustice System in the U. S. sends inmates to these facilities, all too often, because of Mandatory Minimums and 3 Strikes Laws that are highly prejudiced against Citizens of color. Also, lets be clear, these facilities belong to the Department of Corrections and are officially called Correctional Facilities. That alone lends I self the idea you are correcting that which put the inmate into the facility, therefore opportunities for rehabilitation. Sadly, because so many Correctional Facilities are now run by For Profit companies, many od the opportunities for rehabilitation like: education, trades skills, GED programs, College equivalency are all no longer offered. As to their wages, think about Shawshank Redemption. That Warden found a way to make money on the backs of the inmates. Andy was cooking the books, so he syphoned it off. When the contracts for inmates to do labor for outside companies, the private firms that run the Correctional Facilities pocket the money and are not required to account for it. Also consider piece of shir RAPIST Brock Turner, who should have received 7-8 years but could have been sentenced to as many as 14. The look at the ethnic composition of inmates. What percentage look like RAPIST Brock Turner? This is a nuanced, complex legal garbage dump of an issue.
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Phil, the Injustice System in the U. S. sends inmates to these facilities, all too often, because of Mandatory Minimums and 3 Strikes Laws that are highly prejudiced against Citizens of color. Also, lets be clear, these facilities belong to the Department of Corrections and are officially called Correctional Facilities. That alone lends I self the idea you are correcting that which put the inmate into the facility, therefore opportunities for rehabilitation. Sadly, because so many Correctional Facilities are now run by For Profit companies, many od the opportunities for rehabilitation like: education, trades skills, GED programs, College equivalency are all no longer offered. As to their wages, think about Shawshank Redemption. That Warden found a way to make money on the backs of the inmates. Andy was cooking the books, so he syphoned it off. When the contracts for inmates to do labor for outside companies, the private firms that run the Correctional Facilities pocket the money and are not required to account for it. Also consider piece of shir RAPIST Brock Turner, who should have received 7-8 years but could have been sentenced to as many as 14. The look at the ethnic composition of inmates. What percentage look like RAPIST Brock Turner? This is a nuanced, complex legal garbage dump of an issue.
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3GreyLeaves
I work with a non-profit that work with inmates. The focus of the non-profit is to give the inmates support though mental support and trade-skills. We teach the inmates how to become a man of their word, how to own up for their mistakes, and how to reconnect with their families in a way that they will be excepted for who they are, and not what they've done. We give them the options to learn new skills, such as welding and driving trucks, so that when they are released, they have skills to get a job and to maintain the job for years to come. Inmates don't want to be in jail, but they don't know how to live, as we call it, a normal life. They've tried to create a life that they felt was best for their situation and they landed in jail. Most of them are only misguided by their past and they don't know any other way of living. My opinion on the demands. Most of them are ridiculous, but when people are in these situations, I can understand that things feel hopeless. The prisoners are trying to find a way to give themselves hope in a place where hope can easily be stripped away.
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I work with a non-profit that work with inmates. The focus of the non-profit is to give the inmates support though mental support and trade-skills. We teach the inmates how to become a man of their word, how to own up for their mistakes, and how to reconnect with their families in a way that they will be excepted for who they are, and not what they've done. We give them the options to learn new skills, such as welding and driving trucks, so that when they are released, they have skills to get a job and to maintain the job for years to come. Inmates don't want to be in jail, but they don't know how to live, as we call it, a normal life. They've tried to create a life that they felt was best for their situation and they landed in jail. Most of them are only misguided by their past and they don't know any other way of living. My opinion on the demands. Most of them are ridiculous, but when people are in these situations, I can understand that things feel hopeless. The prisoners are trying to find a way to give themselves hope in a place where hope can easily be stripped away.
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mrzoot12
Opinion of a Jail Guard and a former Prison Guard: 1. Fire fighters should be paid more than 2 dollars an hour. 2. The guy who volunteers to mop the floor of the tier should not be paid 30 dollars an hour. I make like 20 bucks an hour as a jail guard. If you pay the floor cleaners 30 dollars an hour, I'm gonna commit a crime, go to jail, and get a job mopping floors. 3. Prison/Jail jobs are not prizes. The qualifications to get these jobs (usually behavior record and custody level) address security and risk concerns and are not just guards giving out rewards or playing favorites. 4. Inmate Working conditions should be safe and inmate workers should be trained in their job if they need it. 5. If an inmate wants market value for their labor, they should expect to be charged rent. This was the case in the prison I worked at. The inmate workers whose jobs paid at least minimum wage (Prison Industries workers) were charged rent to offset the cost of feeding, housing, medical care, mental health care, job training, classes, etc.
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Opinion of a Jail Guard and a former Prison Guard: 1. Fire fighters should be paid more than 2 dollars an hour. 2. The guy who volunteers to mop the floor of the tier should not be paid 30 dollars an hour. I make like 20 bucks an hour as a jail guard. If you pay the floor cleaners 30 dollars an hour, I'm gonna commit a crime, go to jail, and get a job mopping floors. 3. Prison/Jail jobs are not prizes. The qualifications to get these jobs (usually behavior record and custody level) address security and risk concerns and are not just guards giving out rewards or playing favorites. 4. Inmate Working conditions should be safe and inmate workers should be trained in their job if they need it. 5. If an inmate wants market value for their labor, they should expect to be charged rent. This was the case in the prison I worked at. The inmate workers whose jobs paid at least minimum wage (Prison Industries workers) were charged rent to offset the cost of feeding, housing, medical care, mental health care, job training, classes, etc.
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Liz Kelly
This is such a tricky situation. I have a degree in criminology so I studied a lot on the subject and its very controversial. prison conditions have to be fixed period. Rather than shoving as many people as possible into prison, with nothing to do than join gangs, get abused and waste time, education programs, and rehabilitation HAS to be the goal. Majority of people incarcerated are from the lower class in which they come from poor neighbourhoods with no positive role models, and lack of objections and education. If we educate and get to the root of each persons problems, they will be less likely to reoffend and in turn saving thousands of tax dollars. Prisons are one of the most expensive institutions to run and its like putting a kid in timeout and then letting them go. You have to teach them to do better and believe that they can be better. Yes it will be expensive at first but studies have shown that recidivism drastically goes down and will save so much money in the end to be used in other areas
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This is such a tricky situation. I have a degree in criminology so I studied a lot on the subject and its very controversial. prison conditions have to be fixed period. Rather than shoving as many people as possible into prison, with nothing to do than join gangs, get abused and waste time, education programs, and rehabilitation HAS to be the goal. Majority of people incarcerated are from the lower class in which they come from poor neighbourhoods with no positive role models, and lack of objections and education. If we educate and get to the root of each persons problems, they will be less likely to reoffend and in turn saving thousands of tax dollars. Prisons are one of the most expensive institutions to run and its like putting a kid in timeout and then letting them go. You have to teach them to do better and believe that they can be better. Yes it will be expensive at first but studies have shown that recidivism drastically goes down and will save so much money in the end to be used in other areas
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Tiny LumberJack
Question to the many commenters who see crime and punishment as a black and white situation. Say you're convicted of a felony that you didn't commit, which is true for a staggering number of convicts (especially pre-dna, you do the time you're sentenced to, and are released with no significant career prospects and without the ability to vote; would you still hold the belief that all people convicted of a felony deserve a lifetime of punishment? Now what if that wrongfully convicted person never committed a crime after being released, are they still culpable for the crime they were convicted of? I want it to be black and white; because that means people are appropriately punished for crimes AND they actually committed them, but that isn't the world we live in. People are biased, prosecutors are biased, judges are biased, and a private prison system is biased.
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Question to the many commenters who see crime and punishment as a black and white situation. Say you're convicted of a felony that you didn't commit, which is true for a staggering number of convicts (especially pre-dna, you do the time you're sentenced to, and are released with no significant career prospects and without the ability to vote; would you still hold the belief that all people convicted of a felony deserve a lifetime of punishment? Now what if that wrongfully convicted person never committed a crime after being released, are they still culpable for the crime they were convicted of? I want it to be black and white; because that means people are appropriately punished for crimes AND they actually committed them, but that isn't the world we live in. People are biased, prosecutors are biased, judges are biased, and a private prison system is biased.
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G.T.O. The Public Beta Test
This video is a perfect example of why you are worthless as a source of news. You dont have the slightest idea how any of this works, and it never occurred to you to ask for a forensic accounting of these prison systems to see if their claims regarding costs are actually true. Heres a hint- theyre not. It costs, on average, less than half what they claim. You dont know what you dont know, and your crack team of researchers dont know what they dont know. Thus you cover a prison strike story with NONE of the requisite understanding of the nuances and conflicting interests of the issue. You have no business reporting on such a thing without an understanding of fundamental principles of which youre clearly ignorant. You are everything that is wrong with this internet generation. Youre empty, hollow, and generally lacking anything of merit or value.
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This video is a perfect example of why you are worthless as a source of news. You dont have the slightest idea how any of this works, and it never occurred to you to ask for a forensic accounting of these prison systems to see if their claims regarding costs are actually true. Heres a hint- theyre not. It costs, on average, less than half what they claim. You dont know what you dont know, and your crack team of researchers dont know what they dont know. Thus you cover a prison strike story with NONE of the requisite understanding of the nuances and conflicting interests of the issue. You have no business reporting on such a thing without an understanding of fundamental principles of which youre clearly ignorant. You are everything that is wrong with this internet generation. Youre empty, hollow, and generally lacking anything of merit or value.
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