How A Horrific Murder In Oklahoma Might Turn Half The State Into An Indian Reservation.
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Nova Sweet
Personally, as a Native American, I think that since they never legally dissolved the borders of the land legally it is Native land. That much is simple, but the bigger issue here isn't recognizing it legally, the issue is what comes after. They would be forced to retry all of those cases, and it sounds like there's a weak chance of that ending with all of those criminals getting the same sentencing. So it would likely put 100's of those criminals back out into the world to commit crimes again. The taxes I think would be far easier to figure out than they want people to believe. It's really dirty of this Lawyer to bring up something like this. Because now the courts are stuck between a rock and a hard place, refresh the borders or recognize what rightfully belongs to the Native Americans, legally already does. The risk of letting almost all of those criminals free is too high. I think that the best option would be for the Tribal courts to just agree with the charges on all those criminals so that it takes that risk off the table. But then it'll slide into taxes and the Federal court will fight to the death not to lose the taxes. I honestly want that land to be recognized, finally, as reservation land, but all the problems it's like to cause are likely what will stop it from happening. I hope the Tribal courts fight just as hard and come to an agreement because this would be a huge win for Native Americans all over.
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Personally, as a Native American, I think that since they never legally dissolved the borders of the land legally it is Native land. That much is simple, but the bigger issue here isn't recognizing it legally, the issue is what comes after. They would be forced to retry all of those cases, and it sounds like there's a weak chance of that ending with all of those criminals getting the same sentencing. So it would likely put 100's of those criminals back out into the world to commit crimes again. The taxes I think would be far easier to figure out than they want people to believe. It's really dirty of this Lawyer to bring up something like this. Because now the courts are stuck between a rock and a hard place, refresh the borders or recognize what rightfully belongs to the Native Americans, legally already does. The risk of letting almost all of those criminals free is too high. I think that the best option would be for the Tribal courts to just agree with the charges on all those criminals so that it takes that risk off the table. But then it'll slide into taxes and the Federal court will fight to the death not to lose the taxes. I honestly want that land to be recognized, finally, as reservation land, but all the problems it's like to cause are likely what will stop it from happening. I hope the Tribal courts fight just as hard and come to an agreement because this would be a huge win for Native Americans all over.
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Honestly, the world needs to stop caring about feelings. Yes I understand they have lived on these lands for long times and by law a long time ago they were given the land, but it is now the 21st century, we aren't tribes hunting animals anymore, we have been and continue to push in the final frontier; space. This and the future of humanity is far more important than some ridiculous and outdated tribal system. I feel the whole tribal culture across the world just needs to die out, why does society have to move at the pace of the slowest members? So many arguments in the world of today based upon feelings and not facts. Logic over emotion when it comes progression of our species. A great example is the dark age of religion, pushing back all science because it didn't want to believe it wasn't special and loved by some invisible man in the sky. Feelings are bad for humanity.
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Honestly, the world needs to stop caring about feelings. Yes I understand they have lived on these lands for long times and by law a long time ago they were given the land, but it is now the 21st century, we aren't tribes hunting animals anymore, we have been and continue to push in the final frontier; space. This and the future of humanity is far more important than some ridiculous and outdated tribal system. I feel the whole tribal culture across the world just needs to die out, why does society have to move at the pace of the slowest members? So many arguments in the world of today based upon feelings and not facts. Logic over emotion when it comes progression of our species. A great example is the dark age of religion, pushing back all science because it didn't want to believe it wasn't special and loved by some invisible man in the sky. Feelings are bad for humanity.
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J Tizzle
Am I the only person concerned that if an Indian reservation of this size is formed it may allow a twisted medicine man or fraudulent drum carrier access to enough spirit totems to unleash some sort of anti WINDIGOKAN? For the purpose of raising as much hysteria as possible I will name this entity KAWAKACHUK THE EATER OF WHEAT. He will attack summoning huge cyclones of famine devouring as much unprocessed wheat barely and maize as possible, using it to both starve us and form some kind of franken-vegetable troopers. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS BEING IS TO PROCESS THIS FOOD So send me your cooked vegetables Use your flour to bake me cakes mail them too me as a half- Ojibwa Who showed a borderline interest in my fathers very serious walking of the red road, I am more than qualified to bless these products and free them from KAWAKACHUKS sinister glutenous hordes
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Am I the only person concerned that if an Indian reservation of this size is formed it may allow a twisted medicine man or fraudulent drum carrier access to enough spirit totems to unleash some sort of anti WINDIGOKAN? For the purpose of raising as much hysteria as possible I will name this entity KAWAKACHUK THE EATER OF WHEAT. He will attack summoning huge cyclones of famine devouring as much unprocessed wheat barely and maize as possible, using it to both starve us and form some kind of franken-vegetable troopers. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS BEING IS TO PROCESS THIS FOOD So send me your cooked vegetables Use your flour to bake me cakes mail them too me as a half- Ojibwa Who showed a borderline interest in my fathers very serious walking of the red road, I am more than qualified to bless these products and free them from KAWAKACHUKS sinister glutenous hordes
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SilentGaming
I feel like they should pass a new law about murders and death penalties. If you kill someone and get the death penalty for it you should die the same way as the way you murdered your victim like the day after and as long as there is enough evidence to tie you to the case. Like for example, in this case, he got the death penalty because he beat a GF ex, slashed his throat and cut his you know what off that someone should do the same to him. Enough is enough when you got the guy and you know he killed the victim, just do that same kill on him, stop lethal injection and fire squad, let the murderer get the same medicine he decided to give to others. We do not need this garbage human wasting our precious resources, he needs to get killed now or send him to space and let his lifeless body float in an endless time of eternity, either or works for me.
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I feel like they should pass a new law about murders and death penalties. If you kill someone and get the death penalty for it you should die the same way as the way you murdered your victim like the day after and as long as there is enough evidence to tie you to the case. Like for example, in this case, he got the death penalty because he beat a GF ex, slashed his throat and cut his you know what off that someone should do the same to him. Enough is enough when you got the guy and you know he killed the victim, just do that same kill on him, stop lethal injection and fire squad, let the murderer get the same medicine he decided to give to others. We do not need this garbage human wasting our precious resources, he needs to get killed now or send him to space and let his lifeless body float in an endless time of eternity, either or works for me.
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Clayton Orr
So, in my mind, there are some important nuances here: first, just because the court recognizes that a pending case, on appeal, has the right to a trial in federal court would not necessarily mean that the same would retroactively apply to previous cases. The federal court might distinguish these from those previous cases. Second, it's not clear to me that this would have any force outside of the criminal context (alhtough perhaps I'm wrong about that, considering the ways that federal law deprived the Native American tribes of their authority in civil matters. It would just mean a trial in federal court. Finally, while the murder is horrific, ensuring that future Native Americans have access to full and fair justice is worth the additional process, since this precedent would be applicable beyond the scope of this particular person.
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So, in my mind, there are some important nuances here: first, just because the court recognizes that a pending case, on appeal, has the right to a trial in federal court would not necessarily mean that the same would retroactively apply to previous cases. The federal court might distinguish these from those previous cases. Second, it's not clear to me that this would have any force outside of the criminal context (alhtough perhaps I'm wrong about that, considering the ways that federal law deprived the Native American tribes of their authority in civil matters. It would just mean a trial in federal court. Finally, while the murder is horrific, ensuring that future Native Americans have access to full and fair justice is worth the additional process, since this precedent would be applicable beyond the scope of this particular person.
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Samia Kekia
And yet these are the same ppl who would argue that immigrants are taking our jobs and whatnot. The same America who fought to give the Jews their land back which they belonged to hundreds of years ago. The hypocrisy and irony is real people. The law says its theirs then just give it to them. Maybe instead of ignoring it find a better way your federal court can process effectively and not lets those thousands of prisoners who you prosecuted illegally get away. And as for the comments say it the criminals way of deflecting attention of his crime, what do you think is gonna happen to him in federal court? With all that evidence he surly will not get away. No no my friends this is about your government trying to swindle the natives on yet another agreement.
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And yet these are the same ppl who would argue that immigrants are taking our jobs and whatnot. The same America who fought to give the Jews their land back which they belonged to hundreds of years ago. The hypocrisy and irony is real people. The law says its theirs then just give it to them. Maybe instead of ignoring it find a better way your federal court can process effectively and not lets those thousands of prisoners who you prosecuted illegally get away. And as for the comments say it the criminals way of deflecting attention of his crime, what do you think is gonna happen to him in federal court? With all that evidence he surly will not get away. No no my friends this is about your government trying to swindle the natives on yet another agreement.
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Anthony Ward
Im a fellow Oklahoman and a Native American and truthfully if you have read what the creek nation and every other nation has said about businesses being on native land there really is no change to everyday life, the only thing that would change really is what is being questioned, which is if youre a Native American on tribal land you should (given the courts decision) be tried by that tribe of whose land said crime was committed on. As for the previous cases that had been tried by the state of Oklahoma previously half if not more than half of those cases are technically closed and could not be reopened due to like mrs. Blatt stated the cases being too stale or expired
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Im a fellow Oklahoman and a Native American and truthfully if you have read what the creek nation and every other nation has said about businesses being on native land there really is no change to everyday life, the only thing that would change really is what is being questioned, which is if youre a Native American on tribal land you should (given the courts decision) be tried by that tribe of whose land said crime was committed on. As for the previous cases that had been tried by the state of Oklahoma previously half if not more than half of those cases are technically closed and could not be reopened due to like mrs. Blatt stated the cases being too stale or expired
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HarryMonmouth
A reservation is a pretty big deal. Something like that should not be able to be destroyed by implication. If the government wanted to get rid of them, then they would have to be pretty explicit they wanted to do so. If they did, then there are going to be some pretty hefty ethical arguments to overcome. You can't escape that task, by sneakily, and gradually changing and altering things to the point where you can say, 'Ha, beat you. No more reservation for you. Ha ha. ' Additionally, the only people who can stand a chance of ending the reservation, with even so much as a halfway ethically supportable stance, is the native nations themselves.
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A reservation is a pretty big deal. Something like that should not be able to be destroyed by implication. If the government wanted to get rid of them, then they would have to be pretty explicit they wanted to do so. If they did, then there are going to be some pretty hefty ethical arguments to overcome. You can't escape that task, by sneakily, and gradually changing and altering things to the point where you can say, 'Ha, beat you. No more reservation for you. Ha ha. ' Additionally, the only people who can stand a chance of ending the reservation, with even so much as a halfway ethically supportable stance, is the native nations themselves.
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Bashfluff
Our relations with Native American tribes have always been inconsistent and strange. We may have to face the fact that due to our own actions, it may not even be practical to cede authority over these lands, given that so many non-natives live in them. They have rights too, just by virtue of living their under their government. I don't mind tribal lands in concept, but it's just so painfully clear that the United States rarely has took them seriously until fairly recently, and so the rules that govern this whole process have been shown to be spotty at best. It may honestly be better to just pay these Native Americans instead.
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Our relations with Native American tribes have always been inconsistent and strange. We may have to face the fact that due to our own actions, it may not even be practical to cede authority over these lands, given that so many non-natives live in them. They have rights too, just by virtue of living their under their government. I don't mind tribal lands in concept, but it's just so painfully clear that the United States rarely has took them seriously until fairly recently, and so the rules that govern this whole process have been shown to be spotty at best. It may honestly be better to just pay these Native Americans instead.
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