Jordan Peele Hates White Men Clickbait, Brunei is Beacon Of Equality, & Accidental Article 13 Vote
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Date: 2019-11-01
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EcnalKcin
I hate to have to point this out, but equality of results is not the same as equality of opportunity. Phil justifies specifically hiring minorities in the film industry because in the past minorities had less representation in films. What this means is forcing an equal result by creating an unequal opportunity. It is still racial discrimination, no matter what the justification. Just because we can point to the past and say there was discrimination against black people doesn't mean we should discriminate against white people today. It is the same crime, with a different target. It is still racism. All that being said, the way Peele put it when taken in context was that he was using skin color to differentiate from all the vast majority of horror movies with a white lead. It is just one more step to make something a little different. It really comes down to intention. Casting a black lead because it slight changes the film dynamic to something different than the norm, is not the same as casting someone because they are black. What is interesting is that Sky William's perspective is racist. Because he is taking that past inequality and using it to justify an unequal opportunity today based on skin color. That is racism. It doesn't matter that the past was racist in the other direction, it does not make it okay today.
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I hate to have to point this out, but equality of results is not the same as equality of opportunity. Phil justifies specifically hiring minorities in the film industry because in the past minorities had less representation in films. What this means is forcing an equal result by creating an unequal opportunity. It is still racial discrimination, no matter what the justification. Just because we can point to the past and say there was discrimination against black people doesn't mean we should discriminate against white people today. It is the same crime, with a different target. It is still racism. All that being said, the way Peele put it when taken in context was that he was using skin color to differentiate from all the vast majority of horror movies with a white lead. It is just one more step to make something a little different. It really comes down to intention. Casting a black lead because it slight changes the film dynamic to something different than the norm, is not the same as casting someone because they are black. What is interesting is that Sky William's perspective is racist. Because he is taking that past inequality and using it to justify an unequal opportunity today based on skin color. That is racism. It doesn't matter that the past was racist in the other direction, it does not make it okay today.
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TransparentLabyrinth
I can't see any justifiable reason for someone being mad at what Jordan Peele said unless they are a closeted racist and trying to make it sound like their issue is something else. I've seen people claim it's a double standard because people would all be up in arms if a white director said that about black people. so is it a double standard MLK standing up for the rights of black people because it would have been horrible if a white person had done it? I'm very tired of that argument that gets applied mindlessly to so many things. If you reverse the race, if you reverse the gender, etc. Of course it's different if you reverse them. That's because they aren't on a level playing field. Here's another example if you don't buy the MLK one: Fascist government suppresses citizens rights and kills them. People protest it and say, I'm not interested in being a part of this corrupt country anymore. Then someone goes, Well obviously that's wrong because if you reverse it, people would be so upset at the fascist government for saying, We're not interested in caring for our citizens anymore. There are so many examples you can come up with where the reversal is not even close to the same, for good reason.
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I can't see any justifiable reason for someone being mad at what Jordan Peele said unless they are a closeted racist and trying to make it sound like their issue is something else. I've seen people claim it's a double standard because people would all be up in arms if a white director said that about black people. so is it a double standard MLK standing up for the rights of black people because it would have been horrible if a white person had done it? I'm very tired of that argument that gets applied mindlessly to so many things. If you reverse the race, if you reverse the gender, etc. Of course it's different if you reverse them. That's because they aren't on a level playing field. Here's another example if you don't buy the MLK one: Fascist government suppresses citizens rights and kills them. People protest it and say, I'm not interested in being a part of this corrupt country anymore. Then someone goes, Well obviously that's wrong because if you reverse it, people would be so upset at the fascist government for saying, We're not interested in caring for our citizens anymore. There are so many examples you can come up with where the reversal is not even close to the same, for good reason.
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Alex Danut
Where did that whole two wrongs don't make a right thing go? Sky Williams basically says that because black people were wronged in the past, they now have the right to wrong people going forward until both sides have been wronged by the other an equal amount. That is a very disturbing concept to propagate. Injustice shouldn't be mirrored because it just further escalates and continues the problem. What constitutes equality in this context? When will someone say ok, now white people experienced the same amount of injustice as black people have historically in this industry, and what will happen when others disagree? It seems like the problem will simply continue. It's the equivalent to if someone keys someone else's car, then that someone else keys the car of the original person, who then sees the scratch on their car as bigger than the one they made, so they make another one to make up for it, at which point the other person escalates it further, and so on, to no foreseeable end. That is exactly why the concept of two wrongs don't make a right is introduced to people at a young age; it attempts to prevent exponential revenge situations such as this.
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Where did that whole two wrongs don't make a right thing go? Sky Williams basically says that because black people were wronged in the past, they now have the right to wrong people going forward until both sides have been wronged by the other an equal amount. That is a very disturbing concept to propagate. Injustice shouldn't be mirrored because it just further escalates and continues the problem. What constitutes equality in this context? When will someone say ok, now white people experienced the same amount of injustice as black people have historically in this industry, and what will happen when others disagree? It seems like the problem will simply continue. It's the equivalent to if someone keys someone else's car, then that someone else keys the car of the original person, who then sees the scratch on their car as bigger than the one they made, so they make another one to make up for it, at which point the other person escalates it further, and so on, to no foreseeable end. That is exactly why the concept of two wrongs don't make a right is introduced to people at a young age; it attempts to prevent exponential revenge situations such as this.
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official ThatDeekayNish
people taking about brunei being barbaric and all. you guys didn't even realise that if they are that barbaric, from the first day, there would be people caught and punished straightaway. See the countey for yourself. People doing demo to stop brunei from launching their shariah law. but the reality in brunei. I CALL OUT THAT THERE HAVE NO ONE BEING CAUGHT YET NOR BAING PUNISHED. If there is, then you'll hear about it on the first day. At those time, they are busy rescuing goats named 'fazura' that have climbed to the roof of a house. At those times they are queueing up to purchase the Avengers tickets. At those times people are still walking around like it's nothing. Because they know everything goes through investigations. And they will need evidence. you call them uneducated or lack of education, then you educated, brilliant peoples out there should know how complicated one law is, and how the process can take a long timw to process and all.
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people taking about brunei being barbaric and all. you guys didn't even realise that if they are that barbaric, from the first day, there would be people caught and punished straightaway. See the countey for yourself. People doing demo to stop brunei from launching their shariah law. but the reality in brunei. I CALL OUT THAT THERE HAVE NO ONE BEING CAUGHT YET NOR BAING PUNISHED. If there is, then you'll hear about it on the first day. At those time, they are busy rescuing goats named 'fazura' that have climbed to the roof of a house. At those times they are queueing up to purchase the Avengers tickets. At those times people are still walking around like it's nothing. Because they know everything goes through investigations. And they will need evidence. you call them uneducated or lack of education, then you educated, brilliant peoples out there should know how complicated one law is, and how the process can take a long timw to process and all.
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ZF Productions
Why are there more Hollywood white male leads than any other ethnicity? Simple supply and demand, really not much more to it. Majority audience is of course going to get catered to more, because it will bring in more money - silly to argue otherwise in today's outrage climate. Plenty of great movies exist with black male leads (Blade / Radio / Lean On Me immediately comes to mind, really not groundbreaking stuff (Mainstream Horror movies featuring black characters / families have existed since the 1970s at least) - acting like it is a new trend lessens the nearly 100 years of hard work that got us here - that's why I have a problem with his statement. He's literally just provoking the crowd to get attention to his movie, he doesn't really care about those that came before him - this hasn't been a problem in his lifetime and yet he acts like its some crazy new thing. Not racist, but not honest either.
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Why are there more Hollywood white male leads than any other ethnicity? Simple supply and demand, really not much more to it. Majority audience is of course going to get catered to more, because it will bring in more money - silly to argue otherwise in today's outrage climate. Plenty of great movies exist with black male leads (Blade / Radio / Lean On Me immediately comes to mind, really not groundbreaking stuff (Mainstream Horror movies featuring black characters / families have existed since the 1970s at least) - acting like it is a new trend lessens the nearly 100 years of hard work that got us here - that's why I have a problem with his statement. He's literally just provoking the crowd to get attention to his movie, he doesn't really care about those that came before him - this hasn't been a problem in his lifetime and yet he acts like its some crazy new thing. Not racist, but not honest either.
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Mark Pruitt
I'm not sure I can get on board with the idea that hiring black men, just because they are black men, isn't racist to a degree. Yes, I understand the inequality of the past, but bringing in more inequality doesn't balance the books, it just breeds more inequality. On that note, if a role is written for a black person, or an Asian person, etc. , it should be played by someone of that ethnicity. If the role is neutral on it's ethnicity, it should be open to who ever can play the part best. Sometime it seems like these people want to have at least as many (insert ethnic group here) as there are white people in a certain field, in order to call it equal, but white is the majority of the country so how is that equal? Blacks are currently around 12% of the US, now I don't have exact numbers on actors, or lead actors, but I imagine blacks are at least 12% of the leads in movies. So, what is the issue?
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I'm not sure I can get on board with the idea that hiring black men, just because they are black men, isn't racist to a degree. Yes, I understand the inequality of the past, but bringing in more inequality doesn't balance the books, it just breeds more inequality. On that note, if a role is written for a black person, or an Asian person, etc. , it should be played by someone of that ethnicity. If the role is neutral on it's ethnicity, it should be open to who ever can play the part best. Sometime it seems like these people want to have at least as many (insert ethnic group here) as there are white people in a certain field, in order to call it equal, but white is the majority of the country so how is that equal? Blacks are currently around 12% of the US, now I don't have exact numbers on actors, or lead actors, but I imagine blacks are at least 12% of the leads in movies. So, what is the issue?
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The Troublesome Token Black Guy- Atratus
Remember when Tim Burton came out and said that black people dont fit in with the aesthetic of his films? Remember when Woody Allen said he would never cast a black actor unless it was required? Ridley Scott once said he wouldn't ever be able to get approval to mount a major motion picture or ever receive financing to make a film starring someone named Mohammed so-and-so from such-and-such. Y'all want to be mad at Jordan Peele for saying he's not interested in telling white stories when your faves have been deliberately, openly excluding black people from participating in their work since the beginning of film history and y'all haven't had shit to say. One director saying he's focusing on telling black stories and using black actors isn't oppressive to white people. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. LETS KEEP THE SAME ENERGY
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Remember when Tim Burton came out and said that black people dont fit in with the aesthetic of his films? Remember when Woody Allen said he would never cast a black actor unless it was required? Ridley Scott once said he wouldn't ever be able to get approval to mount a major motion picture or ever receive financing to make a film starring someone named Mohammed so-and-so from such-and-such. Y'all want to be mad at Jordan Peele for saying he's not interested in telling white stories when your faves have been deliberately, openly excluding black people from participating in their work since the beginning of film history and y'all haven't had shit to say. One director saying he's focusing on telling black stories and using black actors isn't oppressive to white people. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression. LETS KEEP THE SAME ENERGY
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myroblyte
even though i can see how jordan peele could be seen as racist, and that if someone said i can't see myself hiring a black dude their career would be over, and i don't think hiring black people exclusively in a few movies is really going to close the gap in hollywood, im not that mad about this and i think i know why. jordan peele isn't making a big deal out of this. he's not being all preachy, and i really appreciate that. it's not obnoxious, and of course he has the right to make casting decisions for HIS movie, so people shouldn't be getting all anal about it, and i don't even see why they should. it's possible to respect someone with differing beliefs, as long as they are respectful back, and i have no reason to believe jordan peele hasn't been courteous and non-obnoxious, so i think it's good for him and good for the actors he's hiring. as long as the movie's good that is
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even though i can see how jordan peele could be seen as racist, and that if someone said i can't see myself hiring a black dude their career would be over, and i don't think hiring black people exclusively in a few movies is really going to close the gap in hollywood, im not that mad about this and i think i know why. jordan peele isn't making a big deal out of this. he's not being all preachy, and i really appreciate that. it's not obnoxious, and of course he has the right to make casting decisions for HIS movie, so people shouldn't be getting all anal about it, and i don't even see why they should. it's possible to respect someone with differing beliefs, as long as they are respectful back, and i have no reason to believe jordan peele hasn't been courteous and non-obnoxious, so i think it's good for him and good for the actors he's hiring. as long as the movie's good that is
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JMan9191991
I think on the situation where the woman got pushed into the river, it's a pretty appropriate sentence. Only thing I would've asked more of is at least partial compensation for the hospital bills. I don't think she should be let off the hook especially considering the height of that jump. I've jumped off a cliff close to that height before, but I wasn't pushed. I went in knowing that I would have to make my body profile as small as could be to avoid any unwanted damage, and still felt the hard sting of the water after jumping in. Looks like she went front first, which is definitely very dangerous.
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I think on the situation where the woman got pushed into the river, it's a pretty appropriate sentence. Only thing I would've asked more of is at least partial compensation for the hospital bills. I don't think she should be let off the hook especially considering the height of that jump. I've jumped off a cliff close to that height before, but I wasn't pushed. I went in knowing that I would have to make my body profile as small as could be to avoid any unwanted damage, and still felt the hard sting of the water after jumping in. Looks like she went front first, which is definitely very dangerous.
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