Lord of the Flies: Crash Course Literature 305
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Tania
I'm not American and English is not my first language, so I never heard about this book (nor has it been taught in any school here. But I recently watched this Netflix series titled -The Society- and I just discovered that it was loosely inspired by Lord of the Flies and Pied Piper story. Unlike Lord of the Flies, the main characters of The Society are high school students in today's modern society (just imagine the chaos of a standed area with no rules and adult supervision, full of the raging hormones of teenagers -. And unlike the book, it also includes girls, so the dynamics becomes more complicated since gender issue has join the conversation.
After watching the series, I thought it's just a social commentary about politics and civilization and the general state of the world we're living right now. But it's fascinating to know that the series inspiration can be traced back to prior fictional work. It feels more nuanced now. (Ngl, I'm kind of intrigued to read Lord of the Flies. Is it any good)
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I'm not American and English is not my first language, so I never heard about this book (nor has it been taught in any school here. But I recently watched this Netflix series titled -The Society- and I just discovered that it was loosely inspired by Lord of the Flies and Pied Piper story. Unlike Lord of the Flies, the main characters of The Society are high school students in today's modern society (just imagine the chaos of a standed area with no rules and adult supervision, full of the raging hormones of teenagers -. And unlike the book, it also includes girls, so the dynamics becomes more complicated since gender issue has join the conversation.
After watching the series, I thought it's just a social commentary about politics and civilization and the general state of the world we're living right now. But it's fascinating to know that the series inspiration can be traced back to prior fictional work. It feels more nuanced now. (Ngl, I'm kind of intrigued to read Lord of the Flies. Is it any good)
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S. E.
Incorrect. The ending's not happy, at all. The adult (man) should be horrified by the destructive scene before him, but he gives an approving/comforting pat on the head to the tiny devolved animal (boy) he finds. He's maybe thinking -boys will be boys! - but also recognizes that had the ship not come to save them from themselves, the brutes are burning down everything that is necessary for their survival. What a shame they haven't been properly socialized/civilized, yet, he thinks. Tsk tsk! For when they are socialized, they will grow up into proper tribes who fight each other and destroy everything they need to survive, as human beings innately do. In a really civil way -- with medals & righteously white, gleaming uniforms.
Lord! Tsk tsk.
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Incorrect. The ending's not happy, at all. The adult (man) should be horrified by the destructive scene before him, but he gives an approving/comforting pat on the head to the tiny devolved animal (boy) he finds. He's maybe thinking -boys will be boys! - but also recognizes that had the ship not come to save them from themselves, the brutes are burning down everything that is necessary for their survival. What a shame they haven't been properly socialized/civilized, yet, he thinks. Tsk tsk! For when they are socialized, they will grow up into proper tribes who fight each other and destroy everything they need to survive, as human beings innately do. In a really civil way -- with medals & righteously white, gleaming uniforms.
Lord! Tsk tsk.
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TheRatt96
When I read the book I always looked at it from a nature vs nurture thing. Not the normal nature vs nurture where we grow up with the behaviors of biology or behavior but like a rapid suddenness, like they were just born again and thus have to choose or become both, can't really get there in the end but still. Some boys who get to the environment descend into a primal state because there are no rules and they get blinded by that. The boys that don't are more of the nurture, we don't know the boys' background so its hard to pinpoint what they experience to be a somewhat level head. The boys who are in the nurture group still struggle with the nature part but still.
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When I read the book I always looked at it from a nature vs nurture thing. Not the normal nature vs nurture where we grow up with the behaviors of biology or behavior but like a rapid suddenness, like they were just born again and thus have to choose or become both, can't really get there in the end but still. Some boys who get to the environment descend into a primal state because there are no rules and they get blinded by that. The boys that don't are more of the nurture, we don't know the boys' background so its hard to pinpoint what they experience to be a somewhat level head. The boys who are in the nurture group still struggle with the nature part but still.
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clown
lord of the flies is meant to be a parody of coral island, and its really annoying that no one talks about it because it really does change the entire meaning. coral island was about a bunch of white british boys marooned on a desert island and they flourish and they convert the natives to christianity and its all around just a bad racist book. lord of the flies is a parody of the idea that europeans will flourish anywhere simply because they are europeans.
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lord of the flies is meant to be a parody of coral island, and its really annoying that no one talks about it because it really does change the entire meaning. coral island was about a bunch of white british boys marooned on a desert island and they flourish and they convert the natives to christianity and its all around just a bad racist book. lord of the flies is a parody of the idea that europeans will flourish anywhere simply because they are europeans.
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Lorelai
Personally, I appreciated his analysis. Honestly, classic literature is very hard to interpret the same by every person. Everyone perceives books and their messages differently, and that-s why I love these discussions. Lord of the Flies is one of the most argued over books because it has so many different themes and messages that are perceived differently by different people. Thank you for bringing this video and your perspective to the table John. :)
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Personally, I appreciated his analysis. Honestly, classic literature is very hard to interpret the same by every person. Everyone perceives books and their messages differently, and that-s why I love these discussions. Lord of the Flies is one of the most argued over books because it has so many different themes and messages that are perceived differently by different people. Thank you for bringing this video and your perspective to the table John. :)
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shwemoor
Lord of the Flies is a club sandwich influenced by political, historical, religious and social biases along with British Boarding School puritanism a euphemism for bullying and hazing which was part and parcel of the education structure that Golding experienced: very Darwinian based on natural selection of the fittest creating an Alpha and subspecies of bullies who operated like wolf packs.
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Lord of the Flies is a club sandwich influenced by political, historical, religious and social biases along with British Boarding School puritanism a euphemism for bullying and hazing which was part and parcel of the education structure that Golding experienced: very Darwinian based on natural selection of the fittest creating an Alpha and subspecies of bullies who operated like wolf packs.
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Christian
-Or would discovering that girls are also just as evil as boys be too disturbing? -
That's a good line there.
Considering that violence and murder is sometimes a/the leading cause of death among many tribal cultures, I don't think the book is too far off in it's depiction of humanity, but like is pointed out, resisting that brutality is what makes humanity special and not-animal.
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-Or would discovering that girls are also just as evil as boys be too disturbing? -
That's a good line there.
Considering that violence and murder is sometimes a/the leading cause of death among many tribal cultures, I don't think the book is too far off in it's depiction of humanity, but like is pointed out, resisting that brutality is what makes humanity special and not-animal.
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marconatrix
I saw a film version of this years ago. Maybe it's somewhere online now?
The one bit I remember is the ending where the boys being chased and literally running for his life trips and falls. only to finding himself clasping the feet of the naval officer. Funny how some images stick in your mind for decades.
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I saw a film version of this years ago. Maybe it's somewhere online now?
The one bit I remember is the ending where the boys being chased and literally running for his life trips and falls. only to finding himself clasping the feet of the naval officer. Funny how some images stick in your mind for decades.
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archipelago93
Around 8: 45 you seem to be implying that native culture, whether in present-day USA, South America, etc, were all peaceful. Are you crazy? Different tribes used to conquer and kill each other for centuries before any colonialists showed up. PLEASE stop LYING about history to fit your narrative.
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Around 8: 45 you seem to be implying that native culture, whether in present-day USA, South America, etc, were all peaceful. Are you crazy? Different tribes used to conquer and kill each other for centuries before any colonialists showed up. PLEASE stop LYING about history to fit your narrative.
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BPDMF
At the time of WW2 men ran things and made all the decisions so it's only right to point out that a group of all boys would lead to -evil. - Why add girls? In the context of him explaining the evil he lived through, that evil was all done by and to men.
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At the time of WW2 men ran things and made all the decisions so it's only right to point out that a group of all boys would lead to -evil. - Why add girls? In the context of him explaining the evil he lived through, that evil was all done by and to men.
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