Karl Marx & Conflict Theory: Crash Course Sociology #6
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Russell
Musing about those who think it is silly or wrong to -fear- or -blame- Marx, as though the historical data hasn't shown what a complete disaster his ideology was from its beginning to this day. It is a seed that once planted, grows fast and sucks the nutrients from the soil, and when fully grown produces a harvest of fear and death in the perpetual struggle to gain and remain in power. Everyone thinks they would run the world better, and Marx is almost always the first step on the yellow brick road to Utopia, where everyone just does what you know is best for the world- once you and those who think just like you attain the power to enforce equality (though every bs ism knows deep down they really want to enforce privilege for themselves. Marx, a true Darwinist, dismissed God. Fine, but god-less Nietzsche was at least smart enough to point out that you can't just dismiss God and still hang onto morality. That little gap in reason hasn't stopped the Marxist revolutionaries from complaining, hating, demanding change and trying to gain power by any means necessary revolutions in order to move humanity in the right) direction. Interesting to see the historical evidence that those who did get to the seats of power had no problem with imposing strict standards and rules of thought, conduct and behavior that did not at all apply to themselves.
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Musing about those who think it is silly or wrong to -fear- or -blame- Marx, as though the historical data hasn't shown what a complete disaster his ideology was from its beginning to this day. It is a seed that once planted, grows fast and sucks the nutrients from the soil, and when fully grown produces a harvest of fear and death in the perpetual struggle to gain and remain in power. Everyone thinks they would run the world better, and Marx is almost always the first step on the yellow brick road to Utopia, where everyone just does what you know is best for the world- once you and those who think just like you attain the power to enforce equality (though every bs ism knows deep down they really want to enforce privilege for themselves. Marx, a true Darwinist, dismissed God. Fine, but god-less Nietzsche was at least smart enough to point out that you can't just dismiss God and still hang onto morality. That little gap in reason hasn't stopped the Marxist revolutionaries from complaining, hating, demanding change and trying to gain power by any means necessary revolutions in order to move humanity in the right) direction. Interesting to see the historical evidence that those who did get to the seats of power had no problem with imposing strict standards and rules of thought, conduct and behavior that did not at all apply to themselves.
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Tom
Honestly, this is so great. As someone who is a Marxist, it's refreshing to see Marx's ideas (and Gramsci! did not expect him turning up) just laid out like this.
For anyone engaging in the debates about whether or nor Marxism is good or bad or 'works' misses the point. The point is that Marx's thought (and Marxism more broadly) is a primarily a critical philosophy. It is a way of looking and understanding the world. It's 'validity' is brought about as to whether or not it offers a credible way of explaining how the world works. I'm a Marxist because I think it does offer this. Would you believe that Marxism has been to not only understand how capitalism works but also how 'really existing socalism' functioned or has been used to understand the development of China after Mao? I don't think you can divorce Marxism from the politics of socialism (and, for me, why would you want to) but my point is that the politics of socialist countries arise because of political and economic questions they had to try answer and whether or not you agree with them, they in no way negate the fundamental aspect of what Marxism is. Indeed, some Marxists readings of say China or the Soviet Union are so critical that they've spawned entirely new political tendencies within the left itself.
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Honestly, this is so great. As someone who is a Marxist, it's refreshing to see Marx's ideas (and Gramsci! did not expect him turning up) just laid out like this.
For anyone engaging in the debates about whether or nor Marxism is good or bad or 'works' misses the point. The point is that Marx's thought (and Marxism more broadly) is a primarily a critical philosophy. It is a way of looking and understanding the world. It's 'validity' is brought about as to whether or not it offers a credible way of explaining how the world works. I'm a Marxist because I think it does offer this. Would you believe that Marxism has been to not only understand how capitalism works but also how 'really existing socalism' functioned or has been used to understand the development of China after Mao? I don't think you can divorce Marxism from the politics of socialism (and, for me, why would you want to) but my point is that the politics of socialist countries arise because of political and economic questions they had to try answer and whether or not you agree with them, they in no way negate the fundamental aspect of what Marxism is. Indeed, some Marxists readings of say China or the Soviet Union are so critical that they've spawned entirely new political tendencies within the left itself.
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Liberty
Wrong. We are born free; we are enslaved by governments that do not want to abandon the initiation of force. Die in the forest shes says? Negative. We have indeed lived in the wild, entire societies have flourished in the wild for thousands of years. Free to die perhaps if you do nothing and rely on some thug to take the necessity of life from someone that actually produced. Marx saw justification that the worker (proletariat somehow are entitled to the ownership of the factory. This can't be achieved without violent aggression as it requires stealing; taking by force or aggression; coercion and even fraud. I could go on and on, but essentially, Marx was an idiot!
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Wrong. We are born free; we are enslaved by governments that do not want to abandon the initiation of force. Die in the forest shes says? Negative. We have indeed lived in the wild, entire societies have flourished in the wild for thousands of years. Free to die perhaps if you do nothing and rely on some thug to take the necessity of life from someone that actually produced. Marx saw justification that the worker (proletariat somehow are entitled to the ownership of the factory. This can't be achieved without violent aggression as it requires stealing; taking by force or aggression; coercion and even fraud. I could go on and on, but essentially, Marx was an idiot!
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Jofuss
Communism is EVIL. hegemony of ideas right there. It seems to me that some people don't even know why they think that proposition is true, they just FEEL it's true. I think that learning about different styles of government, economy, and social structures is valuable. Just my -two cents- heh.
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Communism is EVIL. hegemony of ideas right there. It seems to me that some people don't even know why they think that proposition is true, they just FEEL it's true. I think that learning about different styles of government, economy, and social structures is valuable. Just my -two cents- heh.
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Free
Where does anyone get the idea that people were equal in the Stone Age or at any other point in history? Marx-s arguments were always based in fantasy. Sociology itself is a school of fantasy, trying to be a science, but can-t even pull off being a philosophy.
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Where does anyone get the idea that people were equal in the Stone Age or at any other point in history? Marx-s arguments were always based in fantasy. Sociology itself is a school of fantasy, trying to be a science, but can-t even pull off being a philosophy.
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crash_course
The ironic thing is Frederick Engels, Who is Marx-s little friend How the wealthy inheritance from his daddy. This is how marks stayed afloat by bumming off of his friend whose inheritance came from a dad that earned it in the free economy.
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The ironic thing is Frederick Engels, Who is Marx-s little friend How the wealthy inheritance from his daddy. This is how marks stayed afloat by bumming off of his friend whose inheritance came from a dad that earned it in the free economy.
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garrondumont
Assuming Marx's base assumptions are correct then Marxist theory is quite a natural logical step to take, I just disagree with the base assumptions. I have no problem with Marxism itself, just the assumptions it makes.
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Assuming Marx's base assumptions are correct then Marxist theory is quite a natural logical step to take, I just disagree with the base assumptions. I have no problem with Marxism itself, just the assumptions it makes.
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Trung
thanks for good information, the Marx is the root of more equal in the labor and benefit for all workers, his theory is the reason evil old capitalism change to democracy and becomes more perfected mercy capitalism.
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thanks for good information, the Marx is the root of more equal in the labor and benefit for all workers, his theory is the reason evil old capitalism change to democracy and becomes more perfected mercy capitalism.
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Asiel
Marx is making a comeback in the west. Also worth noting that in the 1st or 2nd (depending on how you judge it) most powerful economy in the world, he remains idolized.
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Marx is making a comeback in the west. Also worth noting that in the 1st or 2nd (depending on how you judge it) most powerful economy in the world, he remains idolized.
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solidXstate
so marxism is concerned with the question of freedom? then why did 20th century despots build their totalitarian regimes on Marxist theory?
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so marxism is concerned with the question of freedom? then why did 20th century despots build their totalitarian regimes on Marxist theory?
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