The Limits of History: Crash Course History of Science #46
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Date: 2022-04-04
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Jude
This like/dislike ratio genuinely frustrates me, because it raises, in me, a few questions:
Why is the inclusion of female scientists in a history course worthy of a dislike? Or, alternatively, why is pointing out the importance of non-white men in science and history problematic in the first place?
History, in all respects, scientifically, culturally, and politically, has always been a sausage fest of men stratifying others so that most accomplishments are either misattributed to those men or are simply always made claim to by men (because they were the only beings involved in the scientific process. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. History is chauvinistic.
So, to those who disliked this video, why? Why is acknowledging the literally millennia-long neglected women-in-science deserving of a dislike? An entire half of the human species has historically been underrepresented, shunned, and removed from the scientific process via the long-held historical trend of misogyny, and somehow acknowledging this is problematic? This is half of the human species, capable of similar if not greater achievements in a field that they've rarely had the opportunity to belong to in the first place!
Do you feel like acknowledging this is unnecessary? Why would you think that? Name five male scientists and then name five female ones, or just -one- trans scientist. That's my point, at least, that awareness of oppressed groups contributions to both history and science ought to be taught, because the deliberate trend of historians directly glossing or ignoring them necessitates recognizing them. Science has historically been associated with men, and so has history, which is -exactly why- it's important to highlight non-men (or non-straight non-white non-men) in those respective sausage-fests of academic fields, simply because they haven't been associated with it for the over two thousand years those fields have existed.
Systemic academic oppression is not only real, but suppresses the importance that other people aside from men have in science and in history, and especially since those people have consistently been denied the opportunity to operate in those fields on a level playing field, the recognition of those suppressed peoples in contemporary study is not only important, it's necessary.
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This like/dislike ratio genuinely frustrates me, because it raises, in me, a few questions:
Why is the inclusion of female scientists in a history course worthy of a dislike? Or, alternatively, why is pointing out the importance of non-white men in science and history problematic in the first place?
History, in all respects, scientifically, culturally, and politically, has always been a sausage fest of men stratifying others so that most accomplishments are either misattributed to those men or are simply always made claim to by men (because they were the only beings involved in the scientific process. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. History is chauvinistic.
So, to those who disliked this video, why? Why is acknowledging the literally millennia-long neglected women-in-science deserving of a dislike? An entire half of the human species has historically been underrepresented, shunned, and removed from the scientific process via the long-held historical trend of misogyny, and somehow acknowledging this is problematic? This is half of the human species, capable of similar if not greater achievements in a field that they've rarely had the opportunity to belong to in the first place!
Do you feel like acknowledging this is unnecessary? Why would you think that? Name five male scientists and then name five female ones, or just -one- trans scientist. That's my point, at least, that awareness of oppressed groups contributions to both history and science ought to be taught, because the deliberate trend of historians directly glossing or ignoring them necessitates recognizing them. Science has historically been associated with men, and so has history, which is -exactly why- it's important to highlight non-men (or non-straight non-white non-men) in those respective sausage-fests of academic fields, simply because they haven't been associated with it for the over two thousand years those fields have existed.
Systemic academic oppression is not only real, but suppresses the importance that other people aside from men have in science and in history, and especially since those people have consistently been denied the opportunity to operate in those fields on a level playing field, the recognition of those suppressed peoples in contemporary study is not only important, it's necessary.
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Mr.
Could you hate yourself any more? Usually when I hear talk about liberals blaming -dead white men, - it is a caricature. It blows my mind that you are 100% serious right now speaking from your white, male guilt. What a misleading title. This episode had very little to do at all with the limits of history. You would do better to title it, -The Unsung Women of Science, - or something. -Deriding Dead White Males- would be the most honest title.
-Political Agenda Pushing: Crash Course History of Science #46-
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Could you hate yourself any more? Usually when I hear talk about liberals blaming -dead white men, - it is a caricature. It blows my mind that you are 100% serious right now speaking from your white, male guilt. What a misleading title. This episode had very little to do at all with the limits of history. You would do better to title it, -The Unsung Women of Science, - or something. -Deriding Dead White Males- would be the most honest title.
-Political Agenda Pushing: Crash Course History of Science #46-
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Jukebox
The subjectivity of everyone's existence is criminally unrepresented in common discourse and basic education. History is principally humans looking at evidence and coming to a conclusion - that is a judgement - based on reason. That is a fundamental human skill which we need every day, and its, amongst other vital disciplines, getting hugely ignored by ignorance of liberal arts and humanities. History is never ever stable and we aught to imagine our past and our world more complexly.
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The subjectivity of everyone's existence is criminally unrepresented in common discourse and basic education. History is principally humans looking at evidence and coming to a conclusion - that is a judgement - based on reason. That is a fundamental human skill which we need every day, and its, amongst other vital disciplines, getting hugely ignored by ignorance of liberal arts and humanities. History is never ever stable and we aught to imagine our past and our world more complexly.
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Alejandro
The one name I kept waiting to see was that of Emmy Noether: she set the foundations of modern algebra and also established the so called Noether's theorem in the physics' realm. Anyway, I just wanted to mention her (I'm sure that she would be a prominent name in a History of Mathematics, which I long to see =D.
That said, this was an amazing journey: you guys did it again. Congratulations and thank you!
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The one name I kept waiting to see was that of Emmy Noether: she set the foundations of modern algebra and also established the so called Noether's theorem in the physics' realm. Anyway, I just wanted to mention her (I'm sure that she would be a prominent name in a History of Mathematics, which I long to see =D.
That said, this was an amazing journey: you guys did it again. Congratulations and thank you!
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John
That bit about all the women through time who did science and DID NOT get any recognition or credit. sounds like a great idea for a series, dontcha think? As an aside, brute force solving in computer decription is the digital equivalent of human wave attack. is it posible that human brain wave attacks could solve more problems faster if we had more trained brains? We are 7ish billion after all.
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That bit about all the women through time who did science and DID NOT get any recognition or credit. sounds like a great idea for a series, dontcha think? As an aside, brute force solving in computer decription is the digital equivalent of human wave attack. is it posible that human brain wave attacks could solve more problems faster if we had more trained brains? We are 7ish billion after all.
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Intrograted
I'm sure someone's probably said it somewhere here, but one of the beauties of The Scientific Method is that anyone from anywhere at anytime can do it and, if done properly, the knowledge produced will be the same, regardless of standpoint. E would still have equaled MC2 if a non-dead-white-guy had figured it out first. The Method (if not always its application) is egalitarian.
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I'm sure someone's probably said it somewhere here, but one of the beauties of The Scientific Method is that anyone from anywhere at anytime can do it and, if done properly, the knowledge produced will be the same, regardless of standpoint. E would still have equaled MC2 if a non-dead-white-guy had figured it out first. The Method (if not always its application) is egalitarian.
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Nico96as
damn, this video got me tearing up, thanks a lot for producing this series, it's great to have you questioning perspectives on reality in such a didactic way. It gives me great hope for the people who may grow with your videos, and shape a better future reality.
Infinitas gracias a ustedes
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damn, this video got me tearing up, thanks a lot for producing this series, it's great to have you questioning perspectives on reality in such a didactic way. It gives me great hope for the people who may grow with your videos, and shape a better future reality.
Infinitas gracias a ustedes
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Mike
Thank you to the whole team for providing such crash courses to educate the public. Let's hope we combat ignorance with an increasing rate to change humanity from it's historical destruction on earth to eventually a useful and aware species.
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Thank you to the whole team for providing such crash courses to educate the public. Let's hope we combat ignorance with an increasing rate to change humanity from it's historical destruction on earth to eventually a useful and aware species.
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Tom
I think a lot of this is social justice nonsense, and that's my personal opinion. That said, I'm glad you saved it all til the last episode. The rest of the series was delightful.
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I think a lot of this is social justice nonsense, and that's my personal opinion. That said, I'm glad you saved it all til the last episode. The rest of the series was delightful.
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Thanos
How about not talking like a progressive activist. Give everyone the time that they deserve, please don't look at the race and gender of a scientist. just their work-
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How about not talking like a progressive activist. Give everyone the time that they deserve, please don't look at the race and gender of a scientist. just their work-
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