How Did Portugal Happen? Documentary
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Date: 2022-07-19
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JCarlos
Being Spaniard and like most of my compatriots, I consider the Portuguese my brothers. They were the first Iberian tribe to use common sense becoming independent from the rest when Roman rule ended. The rest of the tribes are still arguing among us still in the present. And in the course of history we each separately forged two vast empires. Considering the small population of both countries, this is a considerable achievement. In addition, it is the only case of two superpowers that did not end up trying to exterminate each other. In fact, if you ask any Spaniard to draw the map of Spain, it will always include Portugal without even marking the border. It will even take longer to draw the nose and chin of the imaginary head that corresponds to the Iberian Peninsula than to the rest. Apart from drawing attention to the Portuguese, it infuriates them a bit, we already know that. But we do it without malice and besides they already know it. I think that there is no other case worldwide: nobody adds the neighboring country on their map and even less without realizing it. Therefore we are brothers but they prefer to be at their own home and that is fine with us. Our brothers, the fearsome Lusitanians.
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Being Spaniard and like most of my compatriots, I consider the Portuguese my brothers. They were the first Iberian tribe to use common sense becoming independent from the rest when Roman rule ended. The rest of the tribes are still arguing among us still in the present. And in the course of history we each separately forged two vast empires. Considering the small population of both countries, this is a considerable achievement. In addition, it is the only case of two superpowers that did not end up trying to exterminate each other. In fact, if you ask any Spaniard to draw the map of Spain, it will always include Portugal without even marking the border. It will even take longer to draw the nose and chin of the imaginary head that corresponds to the Iberian Peninsula than to the rest. Apart from drawing attention to the Portuguese, it infuriates them a bit, we already know that. But we do it without malice and besides they already know it. I think that there is no other case worldwide: nobody adds the neighboring country on their map and even less without realizing it. Therefore we are brothers but they prefer to be at their own home and that is fine with us. Our brothers, the fearsome Lusitanians.
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FreedomForever2010
Here's a question (or a few.
The Romans referred to the entire Iberian peninsula as Hispania (Hispania Tarraconensis, Hispania Lusitania, Hispania Baetica, Hispania Ulterior, and Hispania Citerior. The Portuguese lands fell mostly inside Hispania Lusitania.
Fast forward, Portugal and the pre-Spanish states emerged, Castile eats the other pre-Spanish states and unions with Aragon, much colonizing, colonial independence, etc. Today we refer to the colonial descendants of Spain as Hispanic (deriving from Hispania, but colonial descendants of Portugal are not referred to as Hispanic. 1) How did the union of Castile and Aragon come to earn the name Spain (also derived from Hispania) when from a Roman Iberia point of view Portugal would have had a claim to that name also? 2) When was the Portuguese identity sufficiently established as being divergent from the other cultures of Iberia that it was seen as unique? 3) Why? (Was this a conscious effort to solidify Portugal's status as an independent nation from Castile/Aragon)
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Here's a question (or a few.
The Romans referred to the entire Iberian peninsula as Hispania (Hispania Tarraconensis, Hispania Lusitania, Hispania Baetica, Hispania Ulterior, and Hispania Citerior. The Portuguese lands fell mostly inside Hispania Lusitania.
Fast forward, Portugal and the pre-Spanish states emerged, Castile eats the other pre-Spanish states and unions with Aragon, much colonizing, colonial independence, etc. Today we refer to the colonial descendants of Spain as Hispanic (deriving from Hispania, but colonial descendants of Portugal are not referred to as Hispanic. 1) How did the union of Castile and Aragon come to earn the name Spain (also derived from Hispania) when from a Roman Iberia point of view Portugal would have had a claim to that name also? 2) When was the Portuguese identity sufficiently established as being divergent from the other cultures of Iberia that it was seen as unique? 3) Why? (Was this a conscious effort to solidify Portugal's status as an independent nation from Castile/Aragon)
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Steven
What I find equally interesting is that Portugal has its own language even though at some point it was no different than the land that would eventually become Spain. I wonder how much time it took for the Portuguese language to develop and what the language was pre-Portugal. I doubt it was Spanish as even Spanish must not have existed, at least not in today's form. Perhaps there was a slight chance for Spanish and Portugues to both speak spanish, the same way Americans and Canadians both speak english?
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What I find equally interesting is that Portugal has its own language even though at some point it was no different than the land that would eventually become Spain. I wonder how much time it took for the Portuguese language to develop and what the language was pre-Portugal. I doubt it was Spanish as even Spanish must not have existed, at least not in today's form. Perhaps there was a slight chance for Spanish and Portugues to both speak spanish, the same way Americans and Canadians both speak english?
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The
Shit! I didn't know this. That last point you made, was that many of the English Knights, on the way to the Crusades, stoppped and stayed in Lisbon after the siege and you implied that they setttled Portugal. Does thiis mean that Portuguese heritage and genetics are intermingled with English/British, and due to the very low population of the world at that time, I assume, a small amount of elites(Knights, would make a big difference, I wonder by how much?
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Shit! I didn't know this. That last point you made, was that many of the English Knights, on the way to the Crusades, stoppped and stayed in Lisbon after the siege and you implied that they setttled Portugal. Does thiis mean that Portuguese heritage and genetics are intermingled with English/British, and due to the very low population of the world at that time, I assume, a small amount of elites(Knights, would make a big difference, I wonder by how much?
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Santi
Utter rubbish! The county of Portugal WAS the southern realm of the Kingdom of Galicia (same culture and language. The Kingdom of Leon was actually Kingdom of Galicia-Leon, as it comprised two national and cultural entities (the other one being Leon which language was Astur-Leonese. Portugal can't be explained without Galicia. It's nonsense.
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Utter rubbish! The county of Portugal WAS the southern realm of the Kingdom of Galicia (same culture and language. The Kingdom of Leon was actually Kingdom of Galicia-Leon, as it comprised two national and cultural entities (the other one being Leon which language was Astur-Leonese. Portugal can't be explained without Galicia. It's nonsense.
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Rob
been to portugal the area is corrupt but beautiful. i've had 2 portuguese girlfriends while living there, and took some history classes. the professors always stated, it was the portuguese who began the slave trade. so the entire U. S. and black amercans can thank them for, you know, the whole shabang LOL
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been to portugal the area is corrupt but beautiful. i've had 2 portuguese girlfriends while living there, and took some history classes. the professors always stated, it was the portuguese who began the slave trade. so the entire U. S. and black amercans can thank them for, you know, the whole shabang LOL
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The
The uncomfortable and awkward moment, when you realise that the country of Portugal, predates the counntry of Spain by several cennturies and is therefore more legitimate and venerable, from the point of view that it has more unified/concentrated culture and history
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The uncomfortable and awkward moment, when you realise that the country of Portugal, predates the counntry of Spain by several cennturies and is therefore more legitimate and venerable, from the point of view that it has more unified/concentrated culture and history
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KenshiImmortalWolf
of all the countries i can think of, it was one that did always confuse me, how did most of the Iberian region become 1 nation but this notch in the coast line facing the strategically important atlantic become independent from the rest?
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of all the countries i can think of, it was one that did always confuse me, how did most of the Iberian region become 1 nation but this notch in the coast line facing the strategically important atlantic become independent from the rest?
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Mbern45
Just a minor nitpick, but Lisbon wasn't starved to submission. The crusaders breached the walls and at that point the defenders realized they could not hold out and surrendered. There is a first hand account of the siege that describes this.
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Just a minor nitpick, but Lisbon wasn't starved to submission. The crusaders breached the walls and at that point the defenders realized they could not hold out and surrendered. There is a first hand account of the siege that describes this.
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vanhalenbr
Brazilian here, we have Portugal history in school. I learned more with this video, than 1 year remembering dates in school. i don't get why some history teachers focus so much on dates to put on tests. anyway great video.
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Brazilian here, we have Portugal history in school. I learned more with this video, than 1 year remembering dates in school. i don't get why some history teachers focus so much on dates to put on tests. anyway great video.
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Roger
Fine readers digest version of history except you speak of the Knights Templar whose symbol was a red cross on a white field, but your animation show a black cross on a white field which would be the Teutonic order.
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Fine readers digest version of history except you speak of the Knights Templar whose symbol was a red cross on a white field, but your animation show a black cross on a white field which would be the Teutonic order.
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Dan
I love how the Christian north is blamed i. e crusade time when it was the Muslims who conquered the South through warfare and applied sharia law and made non Muslims 2nd class citizens ( dhimmi) ( jizya tax )
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I love how the Christian north is blamed i. e crusade time when it was the Muslims who conquered the South through warfare and applied sharia law and made non Muslims 2nd class citizens ( dhimmi) ( jizya tax )
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Guilherme
Cmon man, you skipped 200 years of the county of portugal as well as Vimara Peres' influence on the country. Henry of Burgundy was just a footnote in a very long history of re-conquest
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Cmon man, you skipped 200 years of the county of portugal as well as Vimara Peres' influence on the country. Henry of Burgundy was just a footnote in a very long history of re-conquest
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Tony
2, 000 English people remained in Portugal during the Crusades. Presumably, there are still descendants of those English people today. Perhaps they have traces in their DNA. Anybody know?
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2, 000 English people remained in Portugal during the Crusades. Presumably, there are still descendants of those English people today. Perhaps they have traces in their DNA. Anybody know?
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Grumpy
Does Portugal even matter? Well, I can't think of a single beer (much less a good beer) made in Portugal, so I would say, no. :)
Then again, the same could be said for France. :)
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Does Portugal even matter? Well, I can't think of a single beer (much less a good beer) made in Portugal, so I would say, no. :)
Then again, the same could be said for France. :)
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David
The majority of the Iberian population was NOT Muslim during the Almoravid occupation. They were Christian and paid a tax on it. Please check your sources and correct that huge mistake.
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The majority of the Iberian population was NOT Muslim during the Almoravid occupation. They were Christian and paid a tax on it. Please check your sources and correct that huge mistake.
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Astra
As a Spaniard I love the relationship between us and the Portuguese.
I'd say we're the best neighbors in Europe, can't think of any others like us.
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As a Spaniard I love the relationship between us and the Portuguese.
I'd say we're the best neighbors in Europe, can't think of any others like us.
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Hogslay'r
I really enjoy these short history lessons, but the discussion is so fast it is difficult to listen to and grasp the story. Please slow down.
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I really enjoy these short history lessons, but the discussion is so fast it is difficult to listen to and grasp the story. Please slow down.
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abubakar
No
The word Portugal came from Arabic since Portugal was land full of oranges and Portugal was named after oranges land of oranges
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No
The word Portugal came from Arabic since Portugal was land full of oranges and Portugal was named after oranges land of oranges
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Gab
The better question is - how can Spain STILL control 4 nations in the Iberian Peninsula? Only Portugal made lucky to make it out.
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The better question is - how can Spain STILL control 4 nations in the Iberian Peninsula? Only Portugal made lucky to make it out.
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