Why didn't Communism Collapse in China as in other countries?
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Date: 2023-12-16
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-jasonquigley2633
I think it's important to remember between the USSR and PRC is that the USSR became communist 30 years earlier than China. Furthermore, the USSR was running a full centrally planned economy for 60 or 70 years when they tried to liberalise the economy, so nobody knew how to work or manage such an economy. China, on the other hand, had only been running a centrally planned economy for 20 or so years when they decided to liberalise. This meant most Chinese remembered how to manage their own businesses and farms etc. This made it easier to transition.
Also, being a younger regime, institutional rot is less likely. In the 1980s, China was still in its first generation of leadership (Deng was a contemporary of Mao, whereas the USSR was in its 3rd generation of leadership. In autocratic regimes, the first generation is usually skilled (they were skilled enough to take power in the first place. Later generations tend to be corrupt and feckless. We can see this today in China, as the quality of leadership seems to be steadily declining (Xi also being a 3rd generation leader.
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I think it's important to remember between the USSR and PRC is that the USSR became communist 30 years earlier than China. Furthermore, the USSR was running a full centrally planned economy for 60 or 70 years when they tried to liberalise the economy, so nobody knew how to work or manage such an economy. China, on the other hand, had only been running a centrally planned economy for 20 or so years when they decided to liberalise. This meant most Chinese remembered how to manage their own businesses and farms etc. This made it easier to transition.
Also, being a younger regime, institutional rot is less likely. In the 1980s, China was still in its first generation of leadership (Deng was a contemporary of Mao, whereas the USSR was in its 3rd generation of leadership. In autocratic regimes, the first generation is usually skilled (they were skilled enough to take power in the first place. Later generations tend to be corrupt and feckless. We can see this today in China, as the quality of leadership seems to be steadily declining (Xi also being a 3rd generation leader.
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-PIANOPHUNGUY
Because communism works in China. Notice how the cheap labor (for a short time) is bringing the USA to its knees. Once US manufacturing knowledge is lost, the Chinese will raise the prices and USAans will have to pay a lot of money. For example US stops making gasoline cars and start making EVs. Well the lithium that is used is controlled by China and will make them rich. The richness will allow China to have a gigantic navy and army. Their air force has better air planes than the USA today. Many of the engineers at US defense plants are from China. Even a Chinese nuclear engineer at Los Alamos copied data there onto a removable hard drive that he took home and uploaded and sent back to -the motherland'. It may take close to 100 years, but they will bring the west to its knees.
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Because communism works in China. Notice how the cheap labor (for a short time) is bringing the USA to its knees. Once US manufacturing knowledge is lost, the Chinese will raise the prices and USAans will have to pay a lot of money. For example US stops making gasoline cars and start making EVs. Well the lithium that is used is controlled by China and will make them rich. The richness will allow China to have a gigantic navy and army. Their air force has better air planes than the USA today. Many of the engineers at US defense plants are from China. Even a Chinese nuclear engineer at Los Alamos copied data there onto a removable hard drive that he took home and uploaded and sent back to -the motherland'. It may take close to 100 years, but they will bring the west to its knees.
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-ApplePotato
Most people often confused the end goals of Communism with what communist states are right now. What we have as communist states around the world, are in their transition phase. They have not yet reached the communist utopia of being a classless, stateless and moneyless society. Marx never left a concrete plan of how communism should be achieved. They major thing he did say is the people with money and power will not easily give it up, therefore the workers (oppressed) must rise up in a revolution. Another thing is the -Dictatorship of the Proletariats-, which has always been realized in a form of a single party state.
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Most people often confused the end goals of Communism with what communist states are right now. What we have as communist states around the world, are in their transition phase. They have not yet reached the communist utopia of being a classless, stateless and moneyless society. Marx never left a concrete plan of how communism should be achieved. They major thing he did say is the people with money and power will not easily give it up, therefore the workers (oppressed) must rise up in a revolution. Another thing is the -Dictatorship of the Proletariats-, which has always been realized in a form of a single party state.
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-kanders7391
It did end. mostly, it sank into dictatorship under Mao, they just kept the CCP name. America propped the CCP up in the 1990s by giving China its industry, and enriching them in exchange for suppressing the rights of their labor and forced work in 20 hr sweatshop factories to the benefit of the new billionaires & their multinational corporations. The Chinese dictatorship would have fallen otherwise. China-s CCP abandoned the ideals of workers owning the means of production long ago just like Stalin. Individuals in government holding onto power for as long as possible by any means necessary was more important.
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It did end. mostly, it sank into dictatorship under Mao, they just kept the CCP name. America propped the CCP up in the 1990s by giving China its industry, and enriching them in exchange for suppressing the rights of their labor and forced work in 20 hr sweatshop factories to the benefit of the new billionaires & their multinational corporations. The Chinese dictatorship would have fallen otherwise. China-s CCP abandoned the ideals of workers owning the means of production long ago just like Stalin. Individuals in government holding onto power for as long as possible by any means necessary was more important.
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-jimlim7623
China is an authoritarian country that talks about peace all the time but acts completely in the contrary. Over a million Uighurs are being imprisoned not for any crimes committed but just because they are Uighurs, which is a gross violation of human rights. Even animals have more rights eg the right not be to treated cruelly than the people in China, whose rights are all taken away by their CCP govt. So for all freedom loving people living everywhere, use your rights eg the freedom of speech to condemn Communist China n fight their scourge on all mankind.
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China is an authoritarian country that talks about peace all the time but acts completely in the contrary. Over a million Uighurs are being imprisoned not for any crimes committed but just because they are Uighurs, which is a gross violation of human rights. Even animals have more rights eg the right not be to treated cruelly than the people in China, whose rights are all taken away by their CCP govt. So for all freedom loving people living everywhere, use your rights eg the freedom of speech to condemn Communist China n fight their scourge on all mankind.
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-kevinsun4377
So in China, mostly Chinese only cares about making money, and take care of their childrens, even if they face some issues which we called -socialism iron fist-, we can't do anything about it!
We can't criticze the government! Right now in China is a kind of total different situation!
Tiananmen square event still banned in China We cannot do any memorial for the dead people, if we do it we will taken away by the Chinese police.
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So in China, mostly Chinese only cares about making money, and take care of their childrens, even if they face some issues which we called -socialism iron fist-, we can't do anything about it!
We can't criticze the government! Right now in China is a kind of total different situation!
Tiananmen square event still banned in China We cannot do any memorial for the dead people, if we do it we will taken away by the Chinese police.
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knowledgia
And it's okay that socialism has market instruments, just as capitalism has socialist instruments. Yes, China has accepted foreign investments, but China does not renounce its ideas and ways. Capitalists think that there is private and state property, but in fact there is state and public property! And yes, there is no communism in China because communism does not work in a single country and it is a non-monetary economy!
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And it's okay that socialism has market instruments, just as capitalism has socialist instruments. Yes, China has accepted foreign investments, but China does not renounce its ideas and ways. Capitalists think that there is private and state property, but in fact there is state and public property! And yes, there is no communism in China because communism does not work in a single country and it is a non-monetary economy!
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-BeelP.
Not only did communism did not end in China, by delivering prosperity to the Chinese people, the Communist Party of China got the impressively strong support of the vast majority of the Chinese people.
BTW, why do you insist on using the erroneous acronym CCP rather than the actual and formal name CPC. It erodes the objectivity of this video, in trying to present things in as factual a manner as possible.
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Not only did communism did not end in China, by delivering prosperity to the Chinese people, the Communist Party of China got the impressively strong support of the vast majority of the Chinese people.
BTW, why do you insist on using the erroneous acronym CCP rather than the actual and formal name CPC. It erodes the objectivity of this video, in trying to present things in as factual a manner as possible.
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-titosarmiento8333
It still exist because it fooled the Americans in particular president Nixon. that it where it began its days were already numbered and china economy will collapse thanks to the liberal left of America they allowed Deng Xiaoping to deceive them later became a part of WTO and 20 thousand companies of both American and European, japanese invested in this country.
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It still exist because it fooled the Americans in particular president Nixon. that it where it began its days were already numbered and china economy will collapse thanks to the liberal left of America they allowed Deng Xiaoping to deceive them later became a part of WTO and 20 thousand companies of both American and European, japanese invested in this country.
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-qsrevenant9824
What-s sad is that the people of China fled to communism because they didn-t know what to do in a time of war and the USSR-s influence. On paper communism sounds like a dreamland, but the people who enforce it, do so under their own terms and conditions. The Chinese people were coerced under desperate times and that-s the real tragedy here.
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What-s sad is that the people of China fled to communism because they didn-t know what to do in a time of war and the USSR-s influence. On paper communism sounds like a dreamland, but the people who enforce it, do so under their own terms and conditions. The Chinese people were coerced under desperate times and that-s the real tragedy here.
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-gold_real_money
I don't know, but I see that current PRC Political Dictatorship System is just like current Singaporean Political Dictatorship System. Very different and far away from Soviet Style Dictatorship System
I call it: -Dictatorship Meritocratic Capitalism-, the Communist Party is just a mask, their (PRC) true face is Materialistic Capitalism
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I don't know, but I see that current PRC Political Dictatorship System is just like current Singaporean Political Dictatorship System. Very different and far away from Soviet Style Dictatorship System
I call it: -Dictatorship Meritocratic Capitalism-, the Communist Party is just a mask, their (PRC) true face is Materialistic Capitalism
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-edwinvargas7969
What China did was genius. They kept their communist spirit in the state with all the powers that gives them over billionaires. Meanwhile, they become integrated in the world economy and become unsanctionable unlike places like Cuba or DPRK. They solved the problem the USSR had while maintaining their communist spirit.
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What China did was genius. They kept their communist spirit in the state with all the powers that gives them over billionaires. Meanwhile, they become integrated in the world economy and become unsanctionable unlike places like Cuba or DPRK. They solved the problem the USSR had while maintaining their communist spirit.
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-danielkelly2210
The CCP rightly surmised post-Mao that they could remain in power or remain communist. They shrewdly chose the former. China's state capitalist system has provided growth in China with democratization. They are a major exception to Lipset's Economic Modernization thesis. Singapore is as well. Coincidence? Probably not.
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The CCP rightly surmised post-Mao that they could remain in power or remain communist. They shrewdly chose the former. China's state capitalist system has provided growth in China with democratization. They are a major exception to Lipset's Economic Modernization thesis. Singapore is as well. Coincidence? Probably not.
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-Mustang-wt1se
Never confuse economic prosperity/capitalism with democracy. All businesses are still under the control of the CCP and they can/have/will crush any company they feel is a threat to their power. The main threat to China is themselves as they will doing anything if they think it will preserve the party-s power
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Never confuse economic prosperity/capitalism with democracy. All businesses are still under the control of the CCP and they can/have/will crush any company they feel is a threat to their power. The main threat to China is themselves as they will doing anything if they think it will preserve the party-s power
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-user-ls9zo5ni5u
In fact, it was the collapse of the Soviet Union and the collective downfall of the socialist countries of Eastern Europe that were fortuitous events. Most of the other socialist countries that were not as closely related to the Soviet Union survived, except for Yugoslavia and Romania-
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In fact, it was the collapse of the Soviet Union and the collective downfall of the socialist countries of Eastern Europe that were fortuitous events. Most of the other socialist countries that were not as closely related to the Soviet Union survived, except for Yugoslavia and Romania-
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-perporiap9364
Interesting info about history. At the end of the day it doesnt matter what degree of capitalism etc is being present but what degree of freedom people have freedom of expression speach and travel and having private life. Not being monitored 24 7 at least so pronounced -
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Interesting info about history. At the end of the day it doesnt matter what degree of capitalism etc is being present but what degree of freedom people have freedom of expression speach and travel and having private life. Not being monitored 24 7 at least so pronounced -
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-Alex88148
China-s political and social structure is Communist. Its economy is state capitalist because the Chinese Communists soon realised that socialist and collectivist economics are incompatible with human behaviour and interaction and thus unsustainable in the long-term.
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China-s political and social structure is Communist. Its economy is state capitalist because the Chinese Communists soon realised that socialist and collectivist economics are incompatible with human behaviour and interaction and thus unsustainable in the long-term.
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-drnh4444
China is a country that could do so much good in the world if it was a democracy. There simply is no place for communism in thw world in these times. Everyone should be free to live their own life and not be controlled by utterly paranoid self elected leaders
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China is a country that could do so much good in the world if it was a democracy. There simply is no place for communism in thw world in these times. Everyone should be free to live their own life and not be controlled by utterly paranoid self elected leaders
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-chlimsimon
It is not the ideology that should be questioned. It is the implementation of policies that benefits the masses that determines its success. It is just like religions. No religious doctrine has evil intentions, but were exploited by man for selfish ends.
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It is not the ideology that should be questioned. It is the implementation of policies that benefits the masses that determines its success. It is just like religions. No religious doctrine has evil intentions, but were exploited by man for selfish ends.
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knowledgia
The CCP did not get rid of poverty in China, they changed their definition of what poverty is lol. The average pension for a Chinese citizen is $14 dollars a month, look into it. They can call poverty what they wanna call it-. it-s still poverty.
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The CCP did not get rid of poverty in China, they changed their definition of what poverty is lol. The average pension for a Chinese citizen is $14 dollars a month, look into it. They can call poverty what they wanna call it-. it-s still poverty.
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-mnmlst1
Why people keep saying China is communist. Just because they call them communist it doesn't mean they are. If people are extremely rich while others are extremely poor, there is no communism, it's just capitalism as its best.
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Why people keep saying China is communist. Just because they call them communist it doesn't mean they are. If people are extremely rich while others are extremely poor, there is no communism, it's just capitalism as its best.
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-SugarDad5555
Change the ruling party's name to something generic, and Chinese-sounding. The initials should remain so whatever economic system they-re using, there will be no problem. I suggest the new name Ching Chong Party.
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Change the ruling party's name to something generic, and Chinese-sounding. The initials should remain so whatever economic system they-re using, there will be no problem. I suggest the new name Ching Chong Party.
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-steffenrosmus9177
China never was an real communist state (according to the definition by Karl Marx) It was/is more a state owned capitalist system, were not the masses earn the revenue, but only few comunist party members.
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China never was an real communist state (according to the definition by Karl Marx) It was/is more a state owned capitalist system, were not the masses earn the revenue, but only few comunist party members.
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-willchu2601
If China changed their name from People-s Republic of China back to Republic of China, there would most likely be more unity between them and Taiwan and there would be less and less tension between the two
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If China changed their name from People-s Republic of China back to Republic of China, there would most likely be more unity between them and Taiwan and there would be less and less tension between the two
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-hiyukelavie2396
80% Singaporeans live in houses that belong to the government
80% Singapore and eat at government-owned hawker centres at least once a week
Singapore is also communist, it just pretends it's not
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80% Singaporeans live in houses that belong to the government
80% Singapore and eat at government-owned hawker centres at least once a week
Singapore is also communist, it just pretends it's not
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-sjelucten7150
Because they are only communists in the name. Read Karl Marx for better understanding of Communism, socialism, and capitalism. China is embracing communism/socialism/capitalism at the same time.
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Because they are only communists in the name. Read Karl Marx for better understanding of Communism, socialism, and capitalism. China is embracing communism/socialism/capitalism at the same time.
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-user-ud4cg9oj6k
I am a Chinese student, I want to say I think Chinese communist party-s control over people-s thoughts and speech is really serious, we really want democracy and freedom of speech
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I am a Chinese student, I want to say I think Chinese communist party-s control over people-s thoughts and speech is really serious, we really want democracy and freedom of speech
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-jakovskarica1585
Because new Soviet leader Gorbachev didn't suppressed protests and democratic movement in Europe, in China that wasn't Tiananman square protests 1989. are brutally suppressed.
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Because new Soviet leader Gorbachev didn't suppressed protests and democratic movement in Europe, in China that wasn't Tiananman square protests 1989. are brutally suppressed.
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-ivansegarra1531
Communism in China serves the purpose of political ad not economic reasons. The dictatorship in China is maintained and justified by being communist while allowing capitalism.
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Communism in China serves the purpose of political ad not economic reasons. The dictatorship in China is maintained and justified by being communist while allowing capitalism.
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