Signs it is PTSD, not BPD
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Date: 2023-08-20
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Faith
Could cptsd become bpd if left untreated?
I had a traumatic childhood and a bit of emotional neglect in my adolescence.
I had been though therapy for the trauma for several months (I was 11.
I had been through therapy for extreme anxiety, then was put on medication for adhd. (Both helped a bit)
I was supported a lot through friends, well-meaning ( though unhealthy relationships ) parental figures.
I had struggles with trust and never dated. I did a lot of self talk to combat negative feelings.
I had moved to a new country on my own when I was 26. I felt freer and more adult then. It was at that time I had thought I could trust people more. There were people I hung out with I would have never hung out in my hometown. It was a time I wished to be open minded.
I decided to be in a committed relationship by 30.
It only lasted 6 months.
I had a triggering event with that relationship. It really changed me. I had broken up with that person on the day of the event. It hurt them too because I had seen them in a very harsh and unrealistic light. After a week, I had realized the root cause of the event. Trying to mend that relationship was impossible and I was unsure if that person would get back together with me.
After that, I was at a loss. I didnt relate to the person I was before. I had paranoid thoughts about my friends not really liking me or want to connect with me. I had never felt so strongly about my friends like that.
I isolated myself but I was angry that no one reached out. I felt utterly alone. I had felt the same feelings when I was a child, living in abuse. Despair with no hope.
It lasted a year. I dont think Ive recovered fully and I havent returned to being as happy as I used to be, but Im climbing up and up.
I reached out to new people. I took therapy again. I dated then found a new relationship. Its a better one since Im now aware of how my thoughts could hurt others. I had some triggering events, but in this relationship, they actually talk me through my feelings. My therapist helps me too with DBT. She hadnt said I was bpd, but I definitely do think so now.
I dont think I was bpd (overtly) before that tramatic event, but I definitely do think so now because I am now aware of the black and white switches I get.
So, yeah. Could cptsd become bpd? Or can bpd turn on after a triggering event, even though those symptoms never showed themselves before that event?
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Could cptsd become bpd if left untreated?
I had a traumatic childhood and a bit of emotional neglect in my adolescence.
I had been though therapy for the trauma for several months (I was 11.
I had been through therapy for extreme anxiety, then was put on medication for adhd. (Both helped a bit)
I was supported a lot through friends, well-meaning ( though unhealthy relationships ) parental figures.
I had struggles with trust and never dated. I did a lot of self talk to combat negative feelings.
I had moved to a new country on my own when I was 26. I felt freer and more adult then. It was at that time I had thought I could trust people more. There were people I hung out with I would have never hung out in my hometown. It was a time I wished to be open minded.
I decided to be in a committed relationship by 30.
It only lasted 6 months.
I had a triggering event with that relationship. It really changed me. I had broken up with that person on the day of the event. It hurt them too because I had seen them in a very harsh and unrealistic light. After a week, I had realized the root cause of the event. Trying to mend that relationship was impossible and I was unsure if that person would get back together with me.
After that, I was at a loss. I didnt relate to the person I was before. I had paranoid thoughts about my friends not really liking me or want to connect with me. I had never felt so strongly about my friends like that.
I isolated myself but I was angry that no one reached out. I felt utterly alone. I had felt the same feelings when I was a child, living in abuse. Despair with no hope.
It lasted a year. I dont think Ive recovered fully and I havent returned to being as happy as I used to be, but Im climbing up and up.
I reached out to new people. I took therapy again. I dated then found a new relationship. Its a better one since Im now aware of how my thoughts could hurt others. I had some triggering events, but in this relationship, they actually talk me through my feelings. My therapist helps me too with DBT. She hadnt said I was bpd, but I definitely do think so now.
I dont think I was bpd (overtly) before that tramatic event, but I definitely do think so now because I am now aware of the black and white switches I get.
So, yeah. Could cptsd become bpd? Or can bpd turn on after a triggering event, even though those symptoms never showed themselves before that event?
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Justin
Another difference. CPTSD can be caused by being in a relationship with someone who suffers from BPD.
Also to note, there was a long time after that where I wasn't in a relationship because not only was I afraid of giving people that power over me, also knew that I could hurt them and that wasn't fair. People with CPTSD can still put others above them in meaningful ways. To put it another way, a person with BPD could be in a store with their SO. Then the person with BPD gets caught, there is a good chance they will find a way to blame their SO. Decent chance the SO will take the downfall, to attempt to prove to the person with BPD that they love them. The next day, the person with BPD may destroy the relationship, because they assume the other person is angry they were thrown under the bus(even though that person took blame to try to prove their love. This is an example of how people with BPD push people away. Also, why I do not give them the leniency a lot of people do.
The above example didn't happen to me (that was someone else, mine expwrience with a person with BPD was far worse and I nearly died as in have a scar above my heart close (the underlying mechanics were the same though.
That's also why this type of relationship can lead to CPTSD. You love someone who seems to love you, and everything they seem to be getting close they push you away, everything something goes wrong they caused you are the one who takes the blame, every argument they never apologize no matter how obviously wrong they are and won't talk to you until you apologize, and eventually you question your self worth and then live in that situation for a decade where you constantly question why this person who loves you treats you so badly.
Anyways. That is the difference, from someone who was in a relationship for 11 years with a person with BPD and got CPTSD due to it.
I took on a lot of emotional damage because I gave her the same pass most people Give those with BPD. 90% of people with BPD are women, and we treat women as fragile things even when they are destroying us. As such, BPD is seen as a feminine disorder and we give it a pass.
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Another difference. CPTSD can be caused by being in a relationship with someone who suffers from BPD.
Also to note, there was a long time after that where I wasn't in a relationship because not only was I afraid of giving people that power over me, also knew that I could hurt them and that wasn't fair. People with CPTSD can still put others above them in meaningful ways. To put it another way, a person with BPD could be in a store with their SO. Then the person with BPD gets caught, there is a good chance they will find a way to blame their SO. Decent chance the SO will take the downfall, to attempt to prove to the person with BPD that they love them. The next day, the person with BPD may destroy the relationship, because they assume the other person is angry they were thrown under the bus(even though that person took blame to try to prove their love. This is an example of how people with BPD push people away. Also, why I do not give them the leniency a lot of people do.
The above example didn't happen to me (that was someone else, mine expwrience with a person with BPD was far worse and I nearly died as in have a scar above my heart close (the underlying mechanics were the same though.
That's also why this type of relationship can lead to CPTSD. You love someone who seems to love you, and everything they seem to be getting close they push you away, everything something goes wrong they caused you are the one who takes the blame, every argument they never apologize no matter how obviously wrong they are and won't talk to you until you apologize, and eventually you question your self worth and then live in that situation for a decade where you constantly question why this person who loves you treats you so badly.
Anyways. That is the difference, from someone who was in a relationship for 11 years with a person with BPD and got CPTSD due to it.
I took on a lot of emotional damage because I gave her the same pass most people Give those with BPD. 90% of people with BPD are women, and we treat women as fragile things even when they are destroying us. As such, BPD is seen as a feminine disorder and we give it a pass.
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AngelicBaby
I have wondered for years if I had borderline but this really shows me I don't and that I'm acting more like cptsd victim, aside from the dating but I've avoided a lot of people for years and prefer to be left alone most of the time, even now. I do have a fear of abandonment but it's mostly for my dog because she's old and might die soon or in a few years. for everyone else, I'm just afraid of being attacked and criticized by them and I feel like I can't trust anyone in that way. I metaphorically pushed my boyfriend away just a few days ago because I thought he was verbally attacking me and I realized he wasn't when he held me and calmed me down. Then I realized something in my mind made my partner an enemy and a combination of every single abuser in my life so I had such a strong reaction towards him over simple sentences that triggered it. the same sentences my abusers would always say. But in the moment, of course, it was hard to realize that he didn't mean it the same way so I lashed out to protect myself. And after I calmed down and realized how I behaved, I felt ashamed and guilty. I've also had two panic attacks in our relationship when he tried to make moves on me. I thought he was raping me and felt like someone else even though I knew it was him yet I couldn't control the way I reacted and panicked. I feel bad for my boyfriend and all the trauma behavior he has to put up with to be with me. But don't worry, I've been seeing therapists for years and group therapy and medication.
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I have wondered for years if I had borderline but this really shows me I don't and that I'm acting more like cptsd victim, aside from the dating but I've avoided a lot of people for years and prefer to be left alone most of the time, even now. I do have a fear of abandonment but it's mostly for my dog because she's old and might die soon or in a few years. for everyone else, I'm just afraid of being attacked and criticized by them and I feel like I can't trust anyone in that way. I metaphorically pushed my boyfriend away just a few days ago because I thought he was verbally attacking me and I realized he wasn't when he held me and calmed me down. Then I realized something in my mind made my partner an enemy and a combination of every single abuser in my life so I had such a strong reaction towards him over simple sentences that triggered it. the same sentences my abusers would always say. But in the moment, of course, it was hard to realize that he didn't mean it the same way so I lashed out to protect myself. And after I calmed down and realized how I behaved, I felt ashamed and guilty. I've also had two panic attacks in our relationship when he tried to make moves on me. I thought he was raping me and felt like someone else even though I knew it was him yet I couldn't control the way I reacted and panicked. I feel bad for my boyfriend and all the trauma behavior he has to put up with to be with me. But don't worry, I've been seeing therapists for years and group therapy and medication.
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Waith
Im tired of people telling me i am not a borderline if i can force my impulses and anger and pain back into me and make it hard to see from the outside, on the outside it just looks like i have good days and bad days but it really depends on how much time ive been around someone i care about and rely on somewhat. Believe me i try not to and it makes me feel guilty and horrible too. but i cant just stop being clingy anymore, i rely on people to be able to be the person i am and actually have a fungible personality. Just because i force my rapid mood changes inside instead of lashing out because i dont want to be like my abuser doesnt make me any less valid of a borderline
Also im tired of people projecting their relationship trauma from a borderline onto me who has nothing to do with it other than being borderline. To y'all. your feelings are valid but its got nothing to do with me, im trying my best and telling me im no better than an abuser because of a disorder we share is upsetting
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Im tired of people telling me i am not a borderline if i can force my impulses and anger and pain back into me and make it hard to see from the outside, on the outside it just looks like i have good days and bad days but it really depends on how much time ive been around someone i care about and rely on somewhat. Believe me i try not to and it makes me feel guilty and horrible too. but i cant just stop being clingy anymore, i rely on people to be able to be the person i am and actually have a fungible personality. Just because i force my rapid mood changes inside instead of lashing out because i dont want to be like my abuser doesnt make me any less valid of a borderline
Also im tired of people projecting their relationship trauma from a borderline onto me who has nothing to do with it other than being borderline. To y'all. your feelings are valid but its got nothing to do with me, im trying my best and telling me im no better than an abuser because of a disorder we share is upsetting
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Lauretta
Its weird because i have a mixture of both. I have very intense mood swings and a very unstable sense of self. Im also prone to choosing sh behaviours as a coping mechanism. But my relationships are mixed. Ive been known to threaten and push others away when i was younger for fear of abandonment but now Im older, i tend to avoid relationships and friendships as I dont feel connected to people and either dont have a lot of trust or just dont like the responsibility of being attached to people. Its less complicated being alone so its by default. Rather than allow myself to get attached to others, i force myself to not care about them or their possible actions towards me so they cant hurt me if they ever decide to hate me. Plus Ive had a series of traumatic events that have intensified and changed my behaviour. So Im not sure what i fall into. Unless i have both. Which is also a possibility
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Its weird because i have a mixture of both. I have very intense mood swings and a very unstable sense of self. Im also prone to choosing sh behaviours as a coping mechanism. But my relationships are mixed. Ive been known to threaten and push others away when i was younger for fear of abandonment but now Im older, i tend to avoid relationships and friendships as I dont feel connected to people and either dont have a lot of trust or just dont like the responsibility of being attached to people. Its less complicated being alone so its by default. Rather than allow myself to get attached to others, i force myself to not care about them or their possible actions towards me so they cant hurt me if they ever decide to hate me. Plus Ive had a series of traumatic events that have intensified and changed my behaviour. So Im not sure what i fall into. Unless i have both. Which is also a possibility
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Bunny
I have both cptsd and bpd and treating it is a literal nightmare. Therapist will often try to solve both with a solution designed only for one or try and force me to do things that trigger my cptsd which than sets off my bpd traits as almost a protective thing which just usually leads to more jumps in my emotions since it almost feels like the two things are fighting about how to deal with the stress. Like do I just avoid it? Or no, let's hyper socialize and exhaust them that'll defuse it or but im scared of people what if they start liking me and want to talk forever and that usually ends with ok let's never go outside again people are scary and confusing. Trying to make sense of it and explain to people what you need is so hard and confusing and people don't tend to have the patience to just accept that you need their patience and understanding cuz its frustrating for you too.
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I have both cptsd and bpd and treating it is a literal nightmare. Therapist will often try to solve both with a solution designed only for one or try and force me to do things that trigger my cptsd which than sets off my bpd traits as almost a protective thing which just usually leads to more jumps in my emotions since it almost feels like the two things are fighting about how to deal with the stress. Like do I just avoid it? Or no, let's hyper socialize and exhaust them that'll defuse it or but im scared of people what if they start liking me and want to talk forever and that usually ends with ok let's never go outside again people are scary and confusing. Trying to make sense of it and explain to people what you need is so hard and confusing and people don't tend to have the patience to just accept that you need their patience and understanding cuz its frustrating for you too.
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Daniela
For almost all of my life I thought I was a BP. The symptoms fit and certain people told me I must be a BP. Turns out that it were mainly my narcissistic abusers who wanted me to believe it, while I always felt that this just isn't me. In my early 40s I realised I'm an HSP, I've always been a dreamer and I'm an Introvert, as well. After leaving a relationship that brought me to the edge, I realised my mother is a covert Narc and this man is, as well. One year ago I chose a healthy man and I'm healing from what I understood is CPTSD.
One main factor is missing in this video, imo: Leaving a toxic environment will heal CPTSD, will heal the survivor of narcissistic abuse. I never knew I could trust, be totally relaxed, be kind. But I am. Took me 50 years to find myself.
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For almost all of my life I thought I was a BP. The symptoms fit and certain people told me I must be a BP. Turns out that it were mainly my narcissistic abusers who wanted me to believe it, while I always felt that this just isn't me. In my early 40s I realised I'm an HSP, I've always been a dreamer and I'm an Introvert, as well. After leaving a relationship that brought me to the edge, I realised my mother is a covert Narc and this man is, as well. One year ago I chose a healthy man and I'm healing from what I understood is CPTSD.
One main factor is missing in this video, imo: Leaving a toxic environment will heal CPTSD, will heal the survivor of narcissistic abuse. I never knew I could trust, be totally relaxed, be kind. But I am. Took me 50 years to find myself.
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Fizzypopization
Inconsistent self-identity is normal in CPTSD too. In fact it's more common among young girls who are molested and/or raped as kids. The truth is every single BPD symptom can also be experienced by CPTSD sufferers. Which is why I question the authenticity of the DX. BPD was made up because men didn't understand women's PTSD.
It's not true that people with cPTSD are less likely to self harm and the fear of abandonment is often both frantic and avoiding. It depends on your relationship to the person. People you are extremely close to you may struggle to lose and lash out. People you aren't close with you avoid.
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Inconsistent self-identity is normal in CPTSD too. In fact it's more common among young girls who are molested and/or raped as kids. The truth is every single BPD symptom can also be experienced by CPTSD sufferers. Which is why I question the authenticity of the DX. BPD was made up because men didn't understand women's PTSD.
It's not true that people with cPTSD are less likely to self harm and the fear of abandonment is often both frantic and avoiding. It depends on your relationship to the person. People you are extremely close to you may struggle to lose and lash out. People you aren't close with you avoid.
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Peace
I've got cptsd not bpd. I have read that they are trying to make these two different disorders the same. I also have heard a senior mental health practitioner say it's very much the same thing really. I have zero time for the N. H. S. now after this and having serious physical health problems misdiagnosed. We need them for A and E problems and preventative health. For ensuring that serious illnesses don't happen but I am lost my faith in The NHS now. Unless it's an emergency I am not going back to see one ever again. Everyone else can make their own mind about them. I've heard so many horror true life stories.
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I've got cptsd not bpd. I have read that they are trying to make these two different disorders the same. I also have heard a senior mental health practitioner say it's very much the same thing really. I have zero time for the N. H. S. now after this and having serious physical health problems misdiagnosed. We need them for A and E problems and preventative health. For ensuring that serious illnesses don't happen but I am lost my faith in The NHS now. Unless it's an emergency I am not going back to see one ever again. Everyone else can make their own mind about them. I've heard so many horror true life stories.
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Kathleen
What if you have either one or both BUT, you know how to almost fully control your emotions & reactions, due to upbringing & or past trauma(s? Cause im now 30 and im a mix of the 2, but experiences throughout my life and from school age - present day, I've developed the ability to regain my composure or stop crying (real tears) within seconds after only crying like 1-5minutes. Same goes with an angry outburst reaction, Then move on almost completely since i let out the feeling in the moment but chose not to dwell in it
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What if you have either one or both BUT, you know how to almost fully control your emotions & reactions, due to upbringing & or past trauma(s? Cause im now 30 and im a mix of the 2, but experiences throughout my life and from school age - present day, I've developed the ability to regain my composure or stop crying (real tears) within seconds after only crying like 1-5minutes. Same goes with an angry outburst reaction, Then move on almost completely since i let out the feeling in the moment but chose not to dwell in it
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Sally
CPTSD and BPD are both reactions to trauma. Emerging consensus in the scientific community has found that BPD is a form of PTSD, it develops from a traumatic event in childhood/adolescence, along with a genetic predisposition. One event is enough to trigger the disorder. BPD and CPTSD are subsections of PTSD, they each have different qualifiers but they are similarly tied to trauma and the resulting adoption of core beliefs stemming directly from the event.
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CPTSD and BPD are both reactions to trauma. Emerging consensus in the scientific community has found that BPD is a form of PTSD, it develops from a traumatic event in childhood/adolescence, along with a genetic predisposition. One event is enough to trigger the disorder. BPD and CPTSD are subsections of PTSD, they each have different qualifiers but they are similarly tied to trauma and the resulting adoption of core beliefs stemming directly from the event.
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Rosi
I would like to know if an individual is capable of having both. I've seen some comments that people have been diagnosed with both. I also feel that I might have both. I think it's possible not just because I believe I have both, but because everyone can be diagnosed with more then just 1. Example: I have been diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and OCD. Haven't been able to demand if I have ADD or ADHD, yet I have one of those as well.
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I would like to know if an individual is capable of having both. I've seen some comments that people have been diagnosed with both. I also feel that I might have both. I think it's possible not just because I believe I have both, but because everyone can be diagnosed with more then just 1. Example: I have been diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and OCD. Haven't been able to demand if I have ADD or ADHD, yet I have one of those as well.
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Nathan
Just been diagnosed with EUBPD.
Had never heard of it before.
Ive pushed everyone away from me that I love because I dont feel I have anything to offer anyone.
I dont believe people when they tell me they love me. Why would they? I cant stand myself!
I hope to start to understand myself now.
Hopefully I can build bridges with the people that I love. x
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Just been diagnosed with EUBPD.
Had never heard of it before.
Ive pushed everyone away from me that I love because I dont feel I have anything to offer anyone.
I dont believe people when they tell me they love me. Why would they? I cant stand myself!
I hope to start to understand myself now.
Hopefully I can build bridges with the people that I love. x
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Artiste
All these BPD more likely or cPTSD more likely language reminds me how confusing and useless psychiatric diagnosis system is. What are fundamental difference of the two? In internal medicine, if a patient has fever, we diagnose pneumonia if theres lung infection; we diagnose flu if there is upper respiratory infection. Simple and clear.
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All these BPD more likely or cPTSD more likely language reminds me how confusing and useless psychiatric diagnosis system is. What are fundamental difference of the two? In internal medicine, if a patient has fever, we diagnose pneumonia if theres lung infection; we diagnose flu if there is upper respiratory infection. Simple and clear.
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Silence
well. now I feel like im being given the wrong medications lol. I was told I have borderline personality disorder and having read about it I didnt think it made all that much sense, because well. I just hate myself, I push people away, etc. But I dont know how my doctor would feel if I pipe up that I think he's wrong.
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well. now I feel like im being given the wrong medications lol. I was told I have borderline personality disorder and having read about it I didnt think it made all that much sense, because well. I just hate myself, I push people away, etc. But I dont know how my doctor would feel if I pipe up that I think he's wrong.
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P1X_3L
This video is great and informative but I am worried that it pushes the idea that if you have one, you cannot have the other. This, of course, is not true since I've been diagnosed with both. I'm sure you did not mean to make it seem that way, I just wanted to point out that I had that thought.
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This video is great and informative but I am worried that it pushes the idea that if you have one, you cannot have the other. This, of course, is not true since I've been diagnosed with both. I'm sure you did not mean to make it seem that way, I just wanted to point out that I had that thought.
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Realities
They're just labels for different manifestations of trauma, and giving someone a BPD diagnosis is cruel because most clinicians don't want to treat them. There's a stigma that BPD patients don't respond to treatment and are more difficult than (C)PTSD clients.
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They're just labels for different manifestations of trauma, and giving someone a BPD diagnosis is cruel because most clinicians don't want to treat them. There's a stigma that BPD patients don't respond to treatment and are more difficult than (C)PTSD clients.
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Decay
So, I've been doing a bit of research over the past few months about BPD, and I feel like I have a high chance of having it. I experience all of the symptoms except for one of them I believe. I'll definitely bring it up to my doctor's on my next visit.
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So, I've been doing a bit of research over the past few months about BPD, and I feel like I have a high chance of having it. I experience all of the symptoms except for one of them I believe. I'll definitely bring it up to my doctor's on my next visit.
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Johanna
When cptsd is getting worse, it really looks like bpd. the difference is that you can pinpoint the timeline that made you change as a person. and your personality is the same, just that hopeless feeling that comes along, where before you felt OK.
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When cptsd is getting worse, it really looks like bpd. the difference is that you can pinpoint the timeline that made you change as a person. and your personality is the same, just that hopeless feeling that comes along, where before you felt OK.
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education
! this is actually so helpful to me? i was thinking i had bpd but i definitely think i was wrong and just have cptsd. i felt like some of the bpd symptoms didnt align with me anyways, so im glad to know its not that ig!
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! this is actually so helpful to me? i was thinking i had bpd but i definitely think i was wrong and just have cptsd. i felt like some of the bpd symptoms didnt align with me anyways, so im glad to know its not that ig!
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Apollo
I''ve been diagnosed with both BPD and CPTSD recently, after being misdiagnosed as bipolar for over a decade, and the fear of abandonment and being alone mixed with distrust of people is extremely frustrating
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I''ve been diagnosed with both BPD and CPTSD recently, after being misdiagnosed as bipolar for over a decade, and the fear of abandonment and being alone mixed with distrust of people is extremely frustrating
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Miss
Very helpful indeed! I saw a psychologist who said I have both C-ptsd as well as possible BDP. I definitely fell under both umbrellas, but feel the former affects me more than the later, or rather created it.
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Very helpful indeed! I saw a psychologist who said I have both C-ptsd as well as possible BDP. I definitely fell under both umbrellas, but feel the former affects me more than the later, or rather created it.
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Regina
I am diagnosed with cptsd but the bpd symptoms fit me far more. Especially with the fighting to keep relationships in tact, suddenly feeling very confident and always searching for new relationships
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I am diagnosed with cptsd but the bpd symptoms fit me far more. Especially with the fighting to keep relationships in tact, suddenly feeling very confident and always searching for new relationships
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XionBliss
I have PTSD, BPD and bipolar I have no clue whether one is correct or not cause my doctors fight over which is my main issue so I ended up with all three but the BPD treatment has helped though.
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I have PTSD, BPD and bipolar I have no clue whether one is correct or not cause my doctors fight over which is my main issue so I ended up with all three but the BPD treatment has helped though.
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rina
I can't confirm if I have either one of these disorders or not because I haven't been diagnosed yet but I can see myself relating to some of the symptoms that were described, especially with bpd.
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I can't confirm if I have either one of these disorders or not because I haven't been diagnosed yet but I can see myself relating to some of the symptoms that were described, especially with bpd.
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