Would you opt for a life with no pain? - Hayley Levitt and Bethany Rickwald
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Date: 2020-08-22
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but i mean if you put it like pain but truly living vs pleasure forever but in a completely fantasy of course you are going to chose pain because its our life and has to do with everything we love and all our experiences and knowledge. if we are completely emotional we should choose pleasure because who in earth likes pain? but if we are completely rational we should choose pain because of our searching for truth and the value of experiences itself (without distinction if they are painful or not. but the thing is we are both. we are both rational and emotional and putting us in a test between pain and pleasure is kinda a tramp. everyone wants to live and everyone wants to live well.
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but i mean if you put it like pain but truly living vs pleasure forever but in a completely fantasy of course you are going to chose pain because its our life and has to do with everything we love and all our experiences and knowledge. if we are completely emotional we should choose pleasure because who in earth likes pain? but if we are completely rational we should choose pain because of our searching for truth and the value of experiences itself (without distinction if they are painful or not. but the thing is we are both. we are both rational and emotional and putting us in a test between pain and pleasure is kinda a tramp. everyone wants to live and everyone wants to live well.
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Shrestha
okay so i have a question, even if one seeks truth(if there is any absolute one possible, then also the attainment of truth brings pleasure. it is a PLEASANT feeling in the long run that at least you knew. it is pleasurable to know that you were not in dark.
so maybe it is not about maximizing net pleasure but maximizing the pleasure points. so one seeks pleasure from love, experience, truth, knowledge, and sometimes even pain(as in the case of masochism.
anyone wants to join the conversation, i am here.
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okay so i have a question, even if one seeks truth(if there is any absolute one possible, then also the attainment of truth brings pleasure. it is a PLEASANT feeling in the long run that at least you knew. it is pleasurable to know that you were not in dark.
so maybe it is not about maximizing net pleasure but maximizing the pleasure points. so one seeks pleasure from love, experience, truth, knowledge, and sometimes even pain(as in the case of masochism.
anyone wants to join the conversation, i am here.
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John
not really an accurate and valuable example.
don't you think that you should ask about the ultimate causes and truths for a start?
shouldn't we ask why being cheated is bad ultimately?
maybe it's not abut the authentic human relationship but rather fearing the consequences, like questioning your self worth and being treated unfairly and all what it implies in societies interaction.
so i don't think that it was a insightful projection.
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not really an accurate and valuable example.
don't you think that you should ask about the ultimate causes and truths for a start?
shouldn't we ask why being cheated is bad ultimately?
maybe it's not abut the authentic human relationship but rather fearing the consequences, like questioning your self worth and being treated unfairly and all what it implies in societies interaction.
so i don't think that it was a insightful projection.
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Mary
I'm always extremely eager to know the truth, but I can't see any intrinsic value to life/reality. So if one can't distinguish between real life and being plugged to the machine, who could ever say those pleasurable experiences aren't real? We could easily already be in a simulation with a lot of pain and we don't know, so why not get plugged?
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I'm always extremely eager to know the truth, but I can't see any intrinsic value to life/reality. So if one can't distinguish between real life and being plugged to the machine, who could ever say those pleasurable experiences aren't real? We could easily already be in a simulation with a lot of pain and we don't know, so why not get plugged?
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Micha
There is one point that hasn't been shown. If the life is filled with pleasure, it wouldn't work, as pleasure is relative and the higher it goes, the more pleasure ( by a multiplicative standpoint) is needed for the activity to be pleasurable. For example: spice. Once you get to a certain point, nothing is spicy anymore.
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There is one point that hasn't been shown. If the life is filled with pleasure, it wouldn't work, as pleasure is relative and the higher it goes, the more pleasure ( by a multiplicative standpoint) is needed for the activity to be pleasurable. For example: spice. Once you get to a certain point, nothing is spicy anymore.
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Vaishu
If we could live a life of endless pleasure, the question would be 'who gets to be that person? '. It wouldnt be possible for everyone to live such a life at the same time.
For any man to have limitless pleasure, others around him would have to suffer/ work so that he could always be happy.
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If we could live a life of endless pleasure, the question would be 'who gets to be that person? '. It wouldnt be possible for everyone to live such a life at the same time.
For any man to have limitless pleasure, others around him would have to suffer/ work so that he could always be happy.
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Gene
If it involved being nice to the simulated people. And doing kind things in the simulated world, then I would do it. Also, if there were moments that those pleasure were taken away, to make sure you dont take things for granted, and then give them back, I would plug in.
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If it involved being nice to the simulated people. And doing kind things in the simulated world, then I would do it. Also, if there were moments that those pleasure were taken away, to make sure you dont take things for granted, and then give them back, I would plug in.
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Jim
I am a few years shy of starting my second half-century of life and am coming to the realization that ignorance truly is bliss. Avoidance of emotional/psychological and physical damage to oneself is paramount. so yeah, bring on the bubble. :)
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I am a few years shy of starting my second half-century of life and am coming to the realization that ignorance truly is bliss. Avoidance of emotional/psychological and physical damage to oneself is paramount. so yeah, bring on the bubble. :)
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education
As much pain as your life might ever be, you could never know, if you're a brain in a vat or a Boltzmann brain, or a human in a meanigful existence. Accepting a definite real life is a huge fallacy in this one.
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As much pain as your life might ever be, you could never know, if you're a brain in a vat or a Boltzmann brain, or a human in a meanigful existence. Accepting a definite real life is a huge fallacy in this one.
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education
wow just realized that i think the good place also kind of covered this subject in one of the episode in the final season when eleanor and the gang met the people who got to heaven
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wow just realized that i think the good place also kind of covered this subject in one of the episode in the final season when eleanor and the gang met the people who got to heaven
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