How China Could Have Conquered The World When China Ruled The Waves Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Joseph
PING PING PING & PING PING PING & PING PING PING
(Mr. Democracy) Hello, this is Mr. Democracy: Who am I speaking to?
(Mr. Press) Hello Mr. Democracy: I am Mr. Press.
(Mr. Democracy) And what is the reason for your call?
(Mr. Press) I am a representative of, For the People by the People, From Sea to Shining Sea Surveys, and I would like to ask you a few questions concerning Taiwan, sir.
(Mr. Democracy) Sure go ahead.
(Mr. Press) Sir, are you aware that Taiwan is a democracy, and that they desire to remain a democracy? Furthermore, do you feel that they should remain a democracy?
(Mr. Democracy) Oh by the way, I didn't catch your first name.
(Mr. Press) My first name is FREE, Free Press, and your's sir?
(Mr. Democracy) My first name is AMERICAN, American Democracy. Well, to answer your three questions, the answer is YES to all of them. In my opinion, Taiwan MUST remain democratically FREE: Especially FREE from Beijing's version of their hammer and sickle style of governance. Moreover, Mr. Press, democracy, you see, is the best form of governance for Taiwan and Beijing must AGREE. Indeed, sir, that Naughty Ole Panda, Beijing, needs to be benevolent and respectfully allow Taiwan to remain democratically FREE- I hope you Agree?
(Mr. Press) Certainly, Mr. Democracy, I do: Taiwan must remain democratically FREE! Well, sir, I thank you for your precious time in answering my questions. Please BE well.
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PING PING PING & PING PING PING & PING PING PING
(Mr. Democracy) Hello, this is Mr. Democracy: Who am I speaking to?
(Mr. Press) Hello Mr. Democracy: I am Mr. Press.
(Mr. Democracy) And what is the reason for your call?
(Mr. Press) I am a representative of, For the People by the People, From Sea to Shining Sea Surveys, and I would like to ask you a few questions concerning Taiwan, sir.
(Mr. Democracy) Sure go ahead.
(Mr. Press) Sir, are you aware that Taiwan is a democracy, and that they desire to remain a democracy? Furthermore, do you feel that they should remain a democracy?
(Mr. Democracy) Oh by the way, I didn't catch your first name.
(Mr. Press) My first name is FREE, Free Press, and your's sir?
(Mr. Democracy) My first name is AMERICAN, American Democracy. Well, to answer your three questions, the answer is YES to all of them. In my opinion, Taiwan MUST remain democratically FREE: Especially FREE from Beijing's version of their hammer and sickle style of governance. Moreover, Mr. Press, democracy, you see, is the best form of governance for Taiwan and Beijing must AGREE. Indeed, sir, that Naughty Ole Panda, Beijing, needs to be benevolent and respectfully allow Taiwan to remain democratically FREE- I hope you Agree?
(Mr. Press) Certainly, Mr. Democracy, I do: Taiwan must remain democratically FREE! Well, sir, I thank you for your precious time in answering my questions. Please BE well.
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sususegar
I need to correct the slight inaccuracy of Aku Raja. Raja means king, not prince.
Also looking at two sides of the coin, the Chinese may have seeded the idea the fleets could've founded North America out of 'political power play' motivation, and the same goes to Western powers wanting to discount it because it would look bad on them when they're already struggling to keep China's upward trajectory as a major economic and political power today. The records may also have been lost during the cultural revolution when they burned many scholarly materials and records.
We'll never know how true this is, but it's not impossible that the fleet could have travelled that far and found nothing worthwhile since there weren't empires or large civilisations in Australia and North America at the time. Just look at how many smaller but very old Chinese communities that exists all around the world even today. The point of these travels were for conquering via economy and trade, not pillaging. A simplified comparison with Western style of conquest is still clear today, just look at how China is approaching other countries (ie. new Silk Road infrastructures, loans) and the US (invasions and military bases.
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I need to correct the slight inaccuracy of Aku Raja. Raja means king, not prince.
Also looking at two sides of the coin, the Chinese may have seeded the idea the fleets could've founded North America out of 'political power play' motivation, and the same goes to Western powers wanting to discount it because it would look bad on them when they're already struggling to keep China's upward trajectory as a major economic and political power today. The records may also have been lost during the cultural revolution when they burned many scholarly materials and records.
We'll never know how true this is, but it's not impossible that the fleet could have travelled that far and found nothing worthwhile since there weren't empires or large civilisations in Australia and North America at the time. Just look at how many smaller but very old Chinese communities that exists all around the world even today. The point of these travels were for conquering via economy and trade, not pillaging. A simplified comparison with Western style of conquest is still clear today, just look at how China is approaching other countries (ie. new Silk Road infrastructures, loans) and the US (invasions and military bases.
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land
China has never been more secretive than the people who came from Europe to raid its land and steal its riches. The chinese history has been written and carefully documented in its historical archives for thousands of years. It is the oldest wikipedia on earth. China is said to have the most complete historical records in the world for at least five thousand years. No civilization ever came close to the completeness of historical accounts than China. China also had the oldest school and national examination systems to select the most qualified civil servants, scholars and government officials. China is an open book and there is no little secret about it. Secretiveness is in the minds of Europeans who's ulterior motives and greed were to subjugate other civilizations and raid the world of all riches and fortune. It was unfortunate that through bad leaders and foreign invasions that many of the Chinese scholars and educators were murdered, and historical archives were burnt and destroyed.
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China has never been more secretive than the people who came from Europe to raid its land and steal its riches. The chinese history has been written and carefully documented in its historical archives for thousands of years. It is the oldest wikipedia on earth. China is said to have the most complete historical records in the world for at least five thousand years. No civilization ever came close to the completeness of historical accounts than China. China also had the oldest school and national examination systems to select the most qualified civil servants, scholars and government officials. China is an open book and there is no little secret about it. Secretiveness is in the minds of Europeans who's ulterior motives and greed were to subjugate other civilizations and raid the world of all riches and fortune. It was unfortunate that through bad leaders and foreign invasions that many of the Chinese scholars and educators were murdered, and historical archives were burnt and destroyed.
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P.
The rise of China in our life time is inevitable. China's reach, global influence, political and economical power are only matched by the envy and fear of Western nations, namely the United States. The more China rises the more USA wants to ruin her and undermine her efforts to reach the seat of the top world superpower. That's America's ultimate agenda, no more no less. America takes it as a threat and in a way, it is indeed a threat, but not in terms of military aggression or war, but in terms of I used to be the world BOSS and I refuse to let you take my spot! - that kind of threat. Today America goes on a media smear campaign to cast China in the most negative light, every news story you hear about China is bad, it's ugly, it's negative. The way American media spins any news from China and turns it negative is quite astonishing and sad to be frank, because it really reflects how insecure America really is when facing the inevitable dethronement of it's BOSS seat.
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The rise of China in our life time is inevitable. China's reach, global influence, political and economical power are only matched by the envy and fear of Western nations, namely the United States. The more China rises the more USA wants to ruin her and undermine her efforts to reach the seat of the top world superpower. That's America's ultimate agenda, no more no less. America takes it as a threat and in a way, it is indeed a threat, but not in terms of military aggression or war, but in terms of I used to be the world BOSS and I refuse to let you take my spot! - that kind of threat. Today America goes on a media smear campaign to cast China in the most negative light, every news story you hear about China is bad, it's ugly, it's negative. The way American media spins any news from China and turns it negative is quite astonishing and sad to be frank, because it really reflects how insecure America really is when facing the inevitable dethronement of it's BOSS seat.
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martinishot
With this clickbait title and this insinuation during the documentary that the Chinese could have chosen to conquer the world it just makes all this feel good history that's not accurate or realistic. The Chinese could barely handle the Mongolians and hundreds of years earlier were even conquered by them. They were unsuccessful in maintaining control over the empire as it was with the southeast Asians manchurians and Koreans successfully expelling them. Nations today in East Asia that today still have these tiny pockets of Chinese ethnic minorities. They are all part of China's legacy of attempting colonialism in Asia and failing. As other people have said the Chinese did not go to these far-flung destinations realistically ever entertaining that idea anyway. They never did make developing a highly accurate clock that could be on a ship any kind of priority at all so the idea of mapping coastlines with great precision was never going to happen without that.
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With this clickbait title and this insinuation during the documentary that the Chinese could have chosen to conquer the world it just makes all this feel good history that's not accurate or realistic. The Chinese could barely handle the Mongolians and hundreds of years earlier were even conquered by them. They were unsuccessful in maintaining control over the empire as it was with the southeast Asians manchurians and Koreans successfully expelling them. Nations today in East Asia that today still have these tiny pockets of Chinese ethnic minorities. They are all part of China's legacy of attempting colonialism in Asia and failing. As other people have said the Chinese did not go to these far-flung destinations realistically ever entertaining that idea anyway. They never did make developing a highly accurate clock that could be on a ship any kind of priority at all so the idea of mapping coastlines with great precision was never going to happen without that.
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Gregory
There has been people early settlers in New Zealand who witnessed the remains of Chinese Junks on the coast of the South Island.
It was children of a family who owned farm land there and found the remains berried on a beach and some things on higher ground above the beach.
It has been recorded. Historians are like everyone else lying for money nothing new there. Very few people trust historians at this stage.
The sooner Christ returns the better. Not likely to be much longer. 2034 at the latest IMO. People who cannot trust the truth are weak minded.
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There has been people early settlers in New Zealand who witnessed the remains of Chinese Junks on the coast of the South Island.
It was children of a family who owned farm land there and found the remains berried on a beach and some things on higher ground above the beach.
It has been recorded. Historians are like everyone else lying for money nothing new there. Very few people trust historians at this stage.
The sooner Christ returns the better. Not likely to be much longer. 2034 at the latest IMO. People who cannot trust the truth are weak minded.
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Shawn
Yeah a lot of people forget that Mao wasn't the first person to close China off he was one of many because China has a history of being closed off. China could have very well been one of the most developed and biggest empires in history but thanks to some bad decisions it just never came to be.
Even in today's world the CCP is making decisions that are putting modern China at risk of falling behind again. As someone that lives in the West that's benefited a lot from China's bad decisions I have to say thank God.
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Yeah a lot of people forget that Mao wasn't the first person to close China off he was one of many because China has a history of being closed off. China could have very well been one of the most developed and biggest empires in history but thanks to some bad decisions it just never came to be.
Even in today's world the CCP is making decisions that are putting modern China at risk of falling behind again. As someone that lives in the West that's benefited a lot from China's bad decisions I have to say thank God.
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Husky_Pride
One of the reasons behind those expeditions was that the Yongle Emperor, being an usurper, needed to establish his own achievement to justify his accession to the throne (which is similar with Emperor Taizong of Tang's scenario. Ming Dynasty was wealthy enough under his rule so these expeditions were affordable. At the end of Ming Dynasty it came to the point that it had trouble maintaining a proper field army due to corruption and the effects of little ice age etc.
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One of the reasons behind those expeditions was that the Yongle Emperor, being an usurper, needed to establish his own achievement to justify his accession to the throne (which is similar with Emperor Taizong of Tang's scenario. Ming Dynasty was wealthy enough under his rule so these expeditions were affordable. At the end of Ming Dynasty it came to the point that it had trouble maintaining a proper field army due to corruption and the effects of little ice age etc.
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power
Some requisites for world domination were lacking in the Chinese Civilization. Their religion was not of fanatics or of a zealous God who ordered to convert or kill infidels, no desire to migrate far from the Chinese zone, did not find people of other cultures good to exploit and enslave, too secretive about discoveries or inventions. Too much respect for tradition and authority discarded new ideas and projects that could bring sudden change.
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Some requisites for world domination were lacking in the Chinese Civilization. Their religion was not of fanatics or of a zealous God who ordered to convert or kill infidels, no desire to migrate far from the Chinese zone, did not find people of other cultures good to exploit and enslave, too secretive about discoveries or inventions. Too much respect for tradition and authority discarded new ideas and projects that could bring sudden change.
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T50
The Northern threat of invasion by the remnant of the Yuan dynasty would have placed a limit on overseas ventures. Zheng He was an ethnic Asian Muslim whose family was in the service of the Mongol Yuan dynasty prior to the Ming. Captured as a child he was castrated and entered into the Ming service. It is not unexpected that a Muslim in that age could have contacts with fellow Muslim traders familiar with the maritime trade routes.
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The Northern threat of invasion by the remnant of the Yuan dynasty would have placed a limit on overseas ventures. Zheng He was an ethnic Asian Muslim whose family was in the service of the Mongol Yuan dynasty prior to the Ming. Captured as a child he was castrated and entered into the Ming service. It is not unexpected that a Muslim in that age could have contacts with fellow Muslim traders familiar with the maritime trade routes.
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education
They were to Busy making firecrackers Instead of progressing yeah maybe you want to do compass and one powder but you to utilize its inventions and now China is a control state where people have no say in anything where Do you have concentration camps Taco Bell Uighur Muslims where you have organ harvesting sand Other atrocities
Dont give them any credit
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They were to Busy making firecrackers Instead of progressing yeah maybe you want to do compass and one powder but you to utilize its inventions and now China is a control state where people have no say in anything where Do you have concentration camps Taco Bell Uighur Muslims where you have organ harvesting sand Other atrocities
Dont give them any credit
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Simon
Annually, approaching the end(Oct, Nov & Dec) of a calendar year, it is the seasonal period of the North East Monsoon blowing violently and turbulent to the southern hemisphere where you find these Malay Archipelagos of many tiny islands. To reach North West(India & Arab countries) there is a change of wind of the South West Monsoon every calendar new year.
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Annually, approaching the end(Oct, Nov & Dec) of a calendar year, it is the seasonal period of the North East Monsoon blowing violently and turbulent to the southern hemisphere where you find these Malay Archipelagos of many tiny islands. To reach North West(India & Arab countries) there is a change of wind of the South West Monsoon every calendar new year.
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Mark
You should read a book named 1421, which was written by a retired British submarine commander. It basically re-writes the history books, in that it was actually the Chinese who discovered the Americas in the same year. A very interesting read, and it confirms what could have been. The Chinese also in 1434 had an influence on the Renaissance period.
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You should read a book named 1421, which was written by a retired British submarine commander. It basically re-writes the history books, in that it was actually the Chinese who discovered the Americas in the same year. A very interesting read, and it confirms what could have been. The Chinese also in 1434 had an influence on the Renaissance period.
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Dead
I believe in order to conquer the world through Imperialism and Colonization, Imperial China needed to be extremelly open to share their culture with non-Chinese nations and at the same time to be open to assimilition and syncretization with the local cultures. I don't know, but it seems to me that Imperial China was too closed-minded for that.
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I believe in order to conquer the world through Imperialism and Colonization, Imperial China needed to be extremelly open to share their culture with non-Chinese nations and at the same time to be open to assimilition and syncretization with the local cultures. I don't know, but it seems to me that Imperial China was too closed-minded for that.
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blue
I am more impressed with AUSRTONESIAN NAVIGATORS. who came originally from Taiwan and now peopled the islands of the Pacific from the Philippines, Indonesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and Malaysia. even reached Madacascar in Africa. Built Fast Karakoa and pillaged parts of Southern China
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I am more impressed with AUSRTONESIAN NAVIGATORS. who came originally from Taiwan and now peopled the islands of the Pacific from the Philippines, Indonesia, Micronesia, Melanesia and Malaysia. even reached Madacascar in Africa. Built Fast Karakoa and pillaged parts of Southern China
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Simon
Cheng Ho was a Muslim and on reaching the Arab countries, he was upset with his fellow ship-mates and order them to throw the alcohol they were drinking into the sea. A sensible Admiral, hence he is known as Laksamana Cheng Ho in the Malay Almanac.
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Cheng Ho was a Muslim and on reaching the Arab countries, he was upset with his fellow ship-mates and order them to throw the alcohol they were drinking into the sea. A sensible Admiral, hence he is known as Laksamana Cheng Ho in the Malay Almanac.
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Joe
4: 08 the bigger your ship the more powerful you appear. That's so silly. Bigger than who's ship? And more powerful than who? There was no country in that region that you could compare with China during that time. Utter nonsense.
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4: 08 the bigger your ship the more powerful you appear. That's so silly. Bigger than who's ship? And more powerful than who? There was no country in that region that you could compare with China during that time. Utter nonsense.
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Gehan
I don't know why we have been taught history in this way every time I expose myself to new information like this i find myself keen to get more so why we overlook this point with new generation. thanks a lot for your efforts
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I don't know why we have been taught history in this way every time I expose myself to new information like this i find myself keen to get more so why we overlook this point with new generation. thanks a lot for your efforts
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Richard
I suggest to all that be thankful as during the Ming dynasty, Chinese emperor doesn't want to wage war against other nations and countries. Chinese emperor only want to collect different animals from different nations.
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I suggest to all that be thankful as during the Ming dynasty, Chinese emperor doesn't want to wage war against other nations and countries. Chinese emperor only want to collect different animals from different nations.
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Richard
If this was happen during the mighty Han Dynasty or Even the Qin Dynasty. No western countries will be left alive. China was only want to do trade and made china gained it's glorious day since the Tang Dynasty.
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If this was happen during the mighty Han Dynasty or Even the Qin Dynasty. No western countries will be left alive. China was only want to do trade and made china gained it's glorious day since the Tang Dynasty.
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