What if the Confederacy Still Existed?
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Date: 2022-07-15
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steve
Your assumptions are maddening, you argue as if the economic forcast of a defeated south would have been the same as a south that had won. If the south would have won, they would have definitely had to diversify their economy to include industrialization and much of Europe would have financed this transition.
Also, if the south had won and the north lost, to the victors goes the spoils which would have obviously included much knowledge of the norths industrial complex. The North may have actually failed moving forward.
Since I am glad the entire country is still united, I'm glad the north won but I still think you are way off on how the future of both would have went if the south had won. I don't think you have a real understanding of just how close the Civil War was, the North could have easily found themselves on the other side of history if just 1 or 2 battles ended differently!
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Your assumptions are maddening, you argue as if the economic forcast of a defeated south would have been the same as a south that had won. If the south would have won, they would have definitely had to diversify their economy to include industrialization and much of Europe would have financed this transition.
Also, if the south had won and the north lost, to the victors goes the spoils which would have obviously included much knowledge of the norths industrial complex. The North may have actually failed moving forward.
Since I am glad the entire country is still united, I'm glad the north won but I still think you are way off on how the future of both would have went if the south had won. I don't think you have a real understanding of just how close the Civil War was, the North could have easily found themselves on the other side of history if just 1 or 2 battles ended differently!
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spiderlime
i have learned recently, that the idea of a southern cesession was on the mind of prominent figures in the south at least a decade before 1861 if not longer. however, as controversial as the question is, wouldn't it have been possible for the southern states to cesede from the union according to the constitution, i. e. legally, without a war against the north? petitions passed through local legislation would have bees presented to the president, who would have been bound to the articles of cesession in the constitution. a confederacy would have been formulated and established only after the southern states secured their legal victory. in our known history, paradoxically, it was the aggression of the south that doomed the confederacy. had they been more patient and calculating, they may have won a victory without firing a single pistol.
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i have learned recently, that the idea of a southern cesession was on the mind of prominent figures in the south at least a decade before 1861 if not longer. however, as controversial as the question is, wouldn't it have been possible for the southern states to cesede from the union according to the constitution, i. e. legally, without a war against the north? petitions passed through local legislation would have bees presented to the president, who would have been bound to the articles of cesession in the constitution. a confederacy would have been formulated and established only after the southern states secured their legal victory. in our known history, paradoxically, it was the aggression of the south that doomed the confederacy. had they been more patient and calculating, they may have won a victory without firing a single pistol.
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Three
I'm not actually sure if Jim Crow as we know it would develop in this timeline. The paternalistic racism of the plantation class would probably continue post-slavery, but I'm not sure we'd see the same militant mob racism of the KKK develop in this timeline, because the average Southern peasant radicalized partly as a result of the northern occupation. In fact, if this is the case, I wonder if we might see black and white peasants unite against the plantation class in a socialist revolution; as you said, the South was a lot more class-based than the north, and an agrarian society composed of rich landowners and backwards peasants is generally quite ripe for revolution. In our timeline, the South (especially Appalachia) did have strong socialist elements, or at the very least populist anti-elitist movements, prior to WWI.
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I'm not actually sure if Jim Crow as we know it would develop in this timeline. The paternalistic racism of the plantation class would probably continue post-slavery, but I'm not sure we'd see the same militant mob racism of the KKK develop in this timeline, because the average Southern peasant radicalized partly as a result of the northern occupation. In fact, if this is the case, I wonder if we might see black and white peasants unite against the plantation class in a socialist revolution; as you said, the South was a lot more class-based than the north, and an agrarian society composed of rich landowners and backwards peasants is generally quite ripe for revolution. In our timeline, the South (especially Appalachia) did have strong socialist elements, or at the very least populist anti-elitist movements, prior to WWI.
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Randall
If North and South became two countries after the Civil War, there is some possibility that the West would have followed suite and formed a western US. Also there was some possibility that California might have split into two states, one in the North and one in the South.
Without the Civil War the race wars might have disappeared. Increasingly, owners of Plantations became mixed race in Brazil, and other nations to which confederate slave owners fled. This is probably due to the fact that some slave owners had children with some of the slaves. Within a few generations the south may have obliterated the color code due to their attachment to their own children, but alas we had to fight a war and set racial divide into the fabric of America.
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If North and South became two countries after the Civil War, there is some possibility that the West would have followed suite and formed a western US. Also there was some possibility that California might have split into two states, one in the North and one in the South.
Without the Civil War the race wars might have disappeared. Increasingly, owners of Plantations became mixed race in Brazil, and other nations to which confederate slave owners fled. This is probably due to the fact that some slave owners had children with some of the slaves. Within a few generations the south may have obliterated the color code due to their attachment to their own children, but alas we had to fight a war and set racial divide into the fabric of America.
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Savanah
It does! You just wasn't taught who the people were, that the War was between. They did a peaceful transition at Approximatax. Then reWrote the Constitution for restructuring of the USA. NO SLAVES WERE EVER FREED and SHERMANS' Spoils of WAR, Simply disappeared from HISTORY!
OPEN YOUR EYES?
Edwin Stanton, Secretary of War had already assumed the duties of President Abraham Lincoln. Days before his assassination and it been released to two Slouthern State capitols news papers, that Abraham Lincoln had be assassinated 3 days before he actually occurred. Southerners were already celebrating.
The Investors in the Confederacy that ran the Confederacy from Montreal, Canada: Then reinvested in the South and they still are.
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It does! You just wasn't taught who the people were, that the War was between. They did a peaceful transition at Approximatax. Then reWrote the Constitution for restructuring of the USA. NO SLAVES WERE EVER FREED and SHERMANS' Spoils of WAR, Simply disappeared from HISTORY!
OPEN YOUR EYES?
Edwin Stanton, Secretary of War had already assumed the duties of President Abraham Lincoln. Days before his assassination and it been released to two Slouthern State capitols news papers, that Abraham Lincoln had be assassinated 3 days before he actually occurred. Southerners were already celebrating.
The Investors in the Confederacy that ran the Confederacy from Montreal, Canada: Then reinvested in the South and they still are.
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Michael
If the south won the war early on I believe that the north and the south would become allies since so many had family on both sides and wouldn't want there to be a permanent rift there. I believe there would be two governments one for the north and one for the south and they would learn eventually to get along and leave each other alone as far as war goes. The south would have become a power house of industrial goods they were behind the north but with the aid of outside nations they would become just as powerful as the north in all areas. The war would be their wake up call to increase production of all manufactured goods from that point on.
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If the south won the war early on I believe that the north and the south would become allies since so many had family on both sides and wouldn't want there to be a permanent rift there. I believe there would be two governments one for the north and one for the south and they would learn eventually to get along and leave each other alone as far as war goes. The south would have become a power house of industrial goods they were behind the north but with the aid of outside nations they would become just as powerful as the north in all areas. The war would be their wake up call to increase production of all manufactured goods from that point on.
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Derek
These what if videos are interesting and work well as clickbait to get views. But I don't think there would be any big difference in 2022 if the Confederacy had won anyway. Abolishing slavery would have taken longer in the 1800's and there would be differences in the immediate aftermath but I'm guessing things would have changed as times changed in the rest of the world.
If America was to become a world leader and first world country we would have had to move forward with the rest of the world as times changed. Slavery doesn't exist anymore in any first world country or country that isn't run by a dictator.
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These what if videos are interesting and work well as clickbait to get views. But I don't think there would be any big difference in 2022 if the Confederacy had won anyway. Abolishing slavery would have taken longer in the 1800's and there would be differences in the immediate aftermath but I'm guessing things would have changed as times changed in the rest of the world.
If America was to become a world leader and first world country we would have had to move forward with the rest of the world as times changed. Slavery doesn't exist anymore in any first world country or country that isn't run by a dictator.
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Ball
I would further say that the North would never have abolished slavery and would probably have seen it expand as the union marched west (seeing it abolished up north more like the end of apartheid and abolished down south more like Brazil) thus ensuring future generations would never make the idiotic anti-confederate argument that slavery was the reason for the war or that slavery only existed in the south or that the north had a moral right to fight the south because they were fighting only to abolish slavery and not to keep their empire from going bankrupt (as it would hve done without the south.
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I would further say that the North would never have abolished slavery and would probably have seen it expand as the union marched west (seeing it abolished up north more like the end of apartheid and abolished down south more like Brazil) thus ensuring future generations would never make the idiotic anti-confederate argument that slavery was the reason for the war or that slavery only existed in the south or that the north had a moral right to fight the south because they were fighting only to abolish slavery and not to keep their empire from going bankrupt (as it would hve done without the south.
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the
If the South would have been able to trade with Europe that would have had no problem getting the modern army especially if they would have started trading with Germany they could have provided Germany with oil from Texas as well as lots of food and cotton and the Germans could have provided them with airplanes tanks and people to train them how to use them the entire might have won or it might have become a stalemate you know with a negotiated peace with both survive with the Kaiser gets to keep his throne and the descendants of Jefferson Davis still rule the South
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If the South would have been able to trade with Europe that would have had no problem getting the modern army especially if they would have started trading with Germany they could have provided Germany with oil from Texas as well as lots of food and cotton and the Germans could have provided them with airplanes tanks and people to train them how to use them the entire might have won or it might have become a stalemate you know with a negotiated peace with both survive with the Kaiser gets to keep his throne and the descendants of Jefferson Davis still rule the South
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