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Understanding Modern Civilization

Understanding Modern Civilization

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Understanding Modern Civilization The faustian tale and how often it's referenced in the West is quite interesting to me as a Pole. Cause we do have our own version. We regretfully acknowledge it's probably inspired by the German version, but it's definitly must be changed a lot, cause we neither were affected as much by this tale, nor the message is anything similar. In our tale Twardowski deals with the devil mostly for gain of the kingdom (while benefitting himself) and manages to outsmart the demon as the he was to give up his soul when they would meet in Rome. Devil tried outsmarting the noble, who made sure to never arrive in the city of Rome, by meeting him in a tavern named Rome, but while he was carried away Twardowski pointed out that the deal they made was impossible to fulfill on technicality, so the devil threw him out and noble landed on the Moon where he is said to live to this day (immortality was part of the package. It's not read as a story about how to not try to get above your standing, but rather a story about how to deal with others to always end up on top, mostly by legalize.
The underlying cultural message may be what makes the Germanics see deals as something horrible, bonds on their person, something to get out of, while Poles see dealings as promises made on paper, the agreed upon rules, where if you are not happy with them post-factum, it is only your mistake, not some great sin of the other side.

Date: 2024-01-25

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An excellent video as usual. I would just like to add my two cents about your understanding and portrayal of Gnosticism.
I came upon a couple of modern Anthroposophical Society texts in a professional capacity as a translator about a decade ago. From there I discovered the wider idea of Gnosticism and immediately, instinctively knew in my gut that it is the truth, or at least a significant fraction of the truth of the world. So many things in the world start to make sense if you realize the purpose of the existence, as created by the Demiurge/Yaldabaoth, is to make humans suffer for whatever purpose it serves him. This is almost self evident in the fact that the more we escape the mundane suffering of starvation, predation, ever-present death by disease and injury, to the point that we almost eliminated all of those, the more we sink into different, spiritual sort of suffering from isolation, loss of close connections and purpose that will lead back to rise of the more primal forms of suffering as the society collapses. You describe this very well in many of your videos. No matter what we do, we feed him suffering. To quote a movie, the only winning move is not to play.
Now it is a fact that some psychopathic individuals (many, by pure coincidence, belonging to a certain tribe fond of small hats) choose, upon learning of this, to actively worship the Demiurge and make pacts with his archons/angels to cause more suffering in exchange for worldly power and pleasure does not invalidate the underlying concept. They try to engineer the society in a ways to cause more unusual and novel forms of suffering (eating bugs and living in a pod, doing meaningless but mentally taxing busywork for 14 hours a day while being forced to repeat out loud you live in the best time there ever was.
The sane, moral man's response to all this must inevitably be to try to escape this prison reality, while causing as little suffering to others as possible in the process. In fact the very concept is exceedingly similar to Buddhism, in a sense that you try to escape the wheel of Samsara and not be reborn into the world again. The forbidden fruit that Christ/Lucifer brought to this prison reality from the outside is that there is a way out, through introspection, meditation, spiritual practice and bettering yourself you can achieve connection with your higher, universal, godly self and be reunited with universe/God outside of the one created by the false, broken God Demiurge.
Trying to connect the modern Communist/Postmodernist/Liberal movements to Gnosticism as you do is like saying that you are a Christian if you learn about the Heaven and Hell, and deciding to make a pact with the devil to make as many people as possible sin so that you gain a prominent place of power in Hell while completely disregarding the whole premise of trying to be with God. It's ridiculous. It's the single biggest gripe I have with your usual tropes over the last few years.

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Part 1: The Bobo Culture - David Brooks coined the term Bourgeois Bohemians in the year 2000. I first learned about Bobo culture in the book, The Three Languages of Politics by Arnold Kling (2017 edition pages 11-12) Kling argued Trump opened up a new political axis not traditionally held by the three tribes described in the title of the book. Instead, Trump became the Anti-Bobo candidate. See a snippet pasted below:
To describe the cosmopolitan outlook, recall the expression bourgeois bohemians, coined by journalist David Brooks almost two decades ago. Brooks was describing a cosmopolitan elite, one that enjoys foreign travel and celebrates cultural diversity. The Bobos, as Brooks dubbed them, probably feel more comfortable in Prague than in Peoria.
As I see it, Donald Trump’s supporters were the anti-Bobos. They distrusted foreign people and cultures. But above all, they distrusted and resented the Bobos, and the feeling was mutual. Thus, the axis that I believe best fits the Trump phenomenon is Bobo versus anti-Bobo.
As of early 2017, Trump seems to have a unique ability to champion the anti-Bobos. In contrast, the progressive, conservative, and libertarian outlooks that I describe in this book are all held by different subsets of the Bobos. I assume that the differences among these outlooks will remain relevant, notwithstanding Trump’s success.

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I absolutely loathe modern architecture. If it can be even described as such. I loathe the concrete, steel, and glass that every city has, and even modern homes have become standardized. It is soulless. It is boring. And God, is it ugly.
I went to visit my wife’s cousin last summer at their new home in Richmond. It was in a typical suburb, and built out of the same materials and style as every other house on the street. My wife’s cousin is excitedly showing us the house when he says how happy he was that he was able to get this house instead of the others on the street. When I was asked why, he proudly says the siding (vinyl) was the only one on the street this shade of grey. That’s what he thought was unique about the cookie cutter house, in a street full of brown, beige, and grey, he got that shade of grey.
I’m not saying that my house is super unique in style, but I built it myself. With my own two hands, minus the excavation and roofing, because I hate roofing. My house is, however, personalized to my taste. I made the hallways wider, I used real wood for the floors, and I avoided any gable ends. I chose wood panels for the exterior that I have to stain, and clean each year. It depresses me that people don’t want to personalize the style and function of their home. It’s just like every other dwelling.

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I think you have the causality of gnosticism reversed. Gnosticism always appears throughout history as a consequence of civilizational decline. By my calculations the collective morality of western civilization peaked sometime in the early 1960's and has been declining ever since, although it's still higher than other civilizations. Basic metaphysics tells us relentlessly pursuing the luciferian (trying to shed light on new ways of thinking and being) inevitably leads to the satanic (opposing the true, good, and beautiful purely out of negation or contrarianism. It's the same way the rebellious teenager who is desperate to establish their own identity ends up just doing whatever is the opposite of their parents. They think they're being free and original but in reality are completely controlled by the shadow of what came before them. Gnosticism is the prodigal son of religions and will eventually go away when society hits rock bottom and has no patience for anything that isn't true or can't stand on its own. Also gnosticism inevitably leads to death cults as that is the ultimate act of negation.
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You talk a lot about progress being a construct and the concept being fundamental part of modernism but progress has always happened in nature via evolution and in human civilisation whether consciously or not. The fact we've grown our understanding of the world and moved past religion is not inherently bad. The material, physical and mental well being of your average person is much better than in the past. You tout the positive aspects of community and religion in the 1400s but the fact is most of us wouldn't even live to 5 years old in that era. Move away from lofty conceptual arguments and ask anyone past or present; would you want your babies to live Have access to clean running water and sewerage systems Have cars, planes, the internet, phones, apartments Still free to practice religion, still able to access communities. Or live in a small town in the 1400s. Most people would choose 'modernity'.
It's like if you were asked would you want to live 500 years in the future where you can travel to different planets instantly and live to 500 Of course you would.

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Im aspiring to become a filmmaker/playwright one day so videos like these are really helpful for creating stories. One story concept ive come up with is related to the last bit about scientific studies that could confirm the reality of religious truth and gnosticism to a certain extent. It's basically what if humanity created a machine with which you could actually manifest the spirit world. With physical proof of there being life after death I think it would fundamentally change the world we live in. On the one hand people would probably be happier because they have physical proof of life after death but at the same time it could lead to mass death cults and general societal decay as people just abandon living in favour of going to the after life. Ive no real plot or anything at the moment but those are the general conclusions I came to in running the thought experiment. I kind of feel like it sums up the dichotomy between old world religious thinking and gnostic belief in the progressive arc of history.
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I still haven't seen the video but i guess it would be a huge diss of modern civilization. It became very popular to hate on modern and especially on the postmodern civilization that we live in today. I still remember that as a child i grew up with a huge feeling that progress is a given and that we live in the best age ever. And this feeling was still kinda alive in the 2010s. But today it feels like 99. 99% of people agree that the world is screwed and are helplessly and aggressively wishing that the world was different. I won't say the world is good and that everything's okay. But i still think that many things are going pretty good for us. I know we have problems but we only pay attention to what we haven't solved or what got worse, we never care about the things that actually got better. And the things that we can improve only if we can try. I wish there was more of this attitude around us and I'm sure that we would be much better off.
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I wanna say the constrained and unconstrained vision of humanity are both true at the same time. It just depends on whether or not you have free flow of information and and environment where kids can be raised by two parents.
What is quite clear now is that the modern world can even be so messed up, because there is an elite class controlling the media. If we could actually have free press and free communication, all of this wouldn't be happening.
But then there is the question, is it even possible to keep the press and the flow of information free
Free as in freedom, of course.
The future with AI will be interesting. You'll be able to distribute AI models that hold your exact worldview and have an encyclopic knowledge to back it up. You'll be able to copy this millions of times, so it'll be quite hard to censor.
Then again AI will also allow for unprecedented levels of control.

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The scientific breakthroughs regarding religion:
1. Does not follow. If you had God observing reality you would never reach the experimental state where something is not being observed to come up with the conclusion that reality does not exist unless it's observed. Also, these interpretations of quantum mechanics don't claim reality doesn't exist until it is observed, they claimed it is in a waveform superposition of all possible realities. Also, these are unproven interpretations, in reality what quantum mechanics calls observation which in the macro world is a passive uninvolved activity, in the quantum world is very involved and could easily affect the experiment in non supernatural ways.
2 and 3 aren't discovering different natures of reality, but the underlying reality of human consciousness, which is really cool and exciting, but doesn't refute materialism.

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In a sense, you seem to agree with modernists that we are blank slates though if you claim, that the removal of previous cultural influences leaves us completely disoriented like empty vessels. I'd be interested how you square that with C. G. Jungs view, that we are all inhabited by the collective unconscious whose archetypes define to a large degree, how we view the world. That could i. e. explain the fascination of the modern elites with the occult. Because, what Jung claims, is that culture and its symbols work as placeholders for our unconscious projections of the archetypes. if these symbols are no longer present, our soul, becomes wicked and alive and we start to project distorted archetypes onto unsuitable objects/subjects.
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I think it's important though to remember there can be a sweet spot where there can still be cities and towns that don't destroy each other economically.
Cities can be beautiful, like Tokyo.
Cities can be places that incorporate tradition and modernist order.
There can be cultural coherence in them, and I think that's something still worth fighting for. Cities don't need to be fragmented mazes of safe pockets and dangerous hoods.
Cities don't need to be littered, or consisting of only giant buildings instead of corridors and narrower buildings that create variety.
Strip malls and parking lots don't need to exist to the current extent.
Vision with some humility I think is important going forward.

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An exhaustive scientific explanation of the world must be able to reduce every action to a chain of causal events, and these to materially dense interactions (especially no action at a distance.
In short, if in the naturalistic world of modernity a subject is an insufficiently analyzed object, the Amerindian interpretive convention follows the opposite principle: an object is an incompletely interpreted subject. Here you have to personify in order to know. The object of interpretation is the counter-interpretation of the object. For the latter must be expanded until it reaches its full intentional form - of spirit, of animal in its human face. Cannibal metaphysics - Eduardo Viveiros de Castro.

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I see you have pointed Delhi, as a part of the modernist culture. I have to greatly agree with it. I live in the provinces, but I had to go to the city, quite regularly, for business purposes. You can easily tell, Delhi is just something different from rest of the North India. People are driven by guilt, they are proud, cocky, nobody speaks politely, religion and provincials are ridiculed. The people are all nasty-tempered, and ready to pick up a fight. Agnosticism and hookups are common in the youth, something that would still horrify someone from the provinces. The people from the City, have a reputation of being devious and scheming urban scum, with no scion of traditions left in them.
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Modern people tend to reject past cultures because the past was backwards and primitive. Humanity progresses forwards, stop clinging to and trying to glorify what was old and outdated. The areas of the world that embrace historical culture and reject modern advances tend to be pretty backwards too. I’m sure people in the future will reject what we have today as well. Throughout history, modernity has always just been the rejection of previous, outdated traditions and thinking in favour of new understandings. Unfortunately, there are always those fearful of change, like the reactionaries of today.
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The modernist story that humans are perfectable is a regression to Plato rather than anything new. The Greeks and Romans were pretty careful to separate religion and morality (religion was culture, and philosophy was the domain of morals and ethics. American Liberalism recognized the limitations of people and posited that the government and society had to make up for the defects (John Adams.
European Liberalism = Plato.
American Liberalism = Aristotle.
There are no indications that the Founding Fathers actually read Locke.
Enjoyable as always.

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59: 11 Now I think you've really hit on the essence of the issue.
The goal has always been monotheism, yet Christianity is bitheistic believing in both a benevolent God and an evil Devi. Gnosticism is its shadow, in which the roles are reversed. The truth is that there is in fact only a single God, who is in control of both aspects. Modernity creates the opportunity to approach this understanding from Christianity by recognizing the interference pattern between two approximate but inaccurate models of God.

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12: 50 this is the biggest tax farce. Yes the top marginal rate was 90%, but a basic understanding of income taxes would tell you it only applied to money earned AFTER earning 200k annually (roughly 5 million today. In reality, the average EFFECTIVE taxes were much much lower than what we pay on average today, which can be further verified by looking at total tax revenue by year since 1900 (adjusted for inflation, and you'll see we pay more in taxes now than any time, surprising even war years of WW2.
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The idea that moderns or white people have no culture is not about having the scientifically best culture at all. What people mean when they say this is that these people are isolated and do not do shared expressions of culture. In this context Netflix does not count as culture but a parade does. If a party has people dancing individually it doesn't count, if a crowd cheers on someone showing off it does.
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I've loved your videos for a long time. I have to say here though the number of inferences and connections you make that don't ring true in this video is much, much higher than previous videos. I'm not saying your wrong about everything, far from it, just that you're letting your inductive reasoning run wild with no backstop and it's pulling you not in circles, but in scribbles.
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