Was Churchill a Villain
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Date: 2025-04-20
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whatifalthist
Honestly, completely disagree with the take that neo-Nat-Soc-ists should own the moral framework of the hyper violent, uncompromising, totalitarian, might makes right system of mid-century Germany.
When it comes to nat-socs, i have only ever met two kinds of people:
-None of the warcrimes ever happened, it's all jewish propaganda.
-It was based and justified.
And this is why their ideology will never get revitalised, and honestly if these are the types of people who defend it, then it's for good measure.
The only way Nat-Soc could have a chance of revitalisation in my opinion is if the followers actually admitted it's pitfalls, and learned from it's mistakes.
I completely disagree they have to follow it orthodoxically to it's roots, it's perfectly reasonable that people can come together, look back and recognise where an ideology completely threw away all sense of mortality, honour and reason, and disavow those elements.
We don't demand that Christians must apologize for the witch burnings or the torture methods of the inquisition, and they don't deny it either, well meaning Christians just admit it was a mistake.
We don't demand classical liberals to apologise for slavery or deny it's existence, because it's early proponents were favourable towards it. It's perfectly coherent for a classical liberal to recognise slavery's moral contractions within it's own moral framework.
Most modern Communists don't deny the crimes of Maoist China and the Soviet Union, they just claim that wasn't real communism.
Likewise, i believe it's possible for a Nat-Soc to own the mistakes of mid-century Germany, and reject them. Learning from past mistakes is a sign of honesty and maturity, and only when Neo-Nat-Socs start recognising that what their predecessors did was morally wrong and should not be repeated, as well as offering an alternative with a solid moral foundation, then their ideology might be worth worth analysing in good faith.
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Honestly, completely disagree with the take that neo-Nat-Soc-ists should own the moral framework of the hyper violent, uncompromising, totalitarian, might makes right system of mid-century Germany.
When it comes to nat-socs, i have only ever met two kinds of people:
-None of the warcrimes ever happened, it's all jewish propaganda.
-It was based and justified.
And this is why their ideology will never get revitalised, and honestly if these are the types of people who defend it, then it's for good measure.
The only way Nat-Soc could have a chance of revitalisation in my opinion is if the followers actually admitted it's pitfalls, and learned from it's mistakes.
I completely disagree they have to follow it orthodoxically to it's roots, it's perfectly reasonable that people can come together, look back and recognise where an ideology completely threw away all sense of mortality, honour and reason, and disavow those elements.
We don't demand that Christians must apologize for the witch burnings or the torture methods of the inquisition, and they don't deny it either, well meaning Christians just admit it was a mistake.
We don't demand classical liberals to apologise for slavery or deny it's existence, because it's early proponents were favourable towards it. It's perfectly coherent for a classical liberal to recognise slavery's moral contractions within it's own moral framework.
Most modern Communists don't deny the crimes of Maoist China and the Soviet Union, they just claim that wasn't real communism.
Likewise, i believe it's possible for a Nat-Soc to own the mistakes of mid-century Germany, and reject them. Learning from past mistakes is a sign of honesty and maturity, and only when Neo-Nat-Socs start recognising that what their predecessors did was morally wrong and should not be repeated, as well as offering an alternative with a solid moral foundation, then their ideology might be worth worth analysing in good faith.
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yinsound
I agree with almost everything you said. However, everyone who associates Nazism with the right is falling into a leftist frame. Nazis were socialists - and envy was their main motivator. They used superior people as a scapegoat in the same way that leftists use white males as a scapegoat. The Democratic party proudly uses virtually every tool of propaganda the Nazis used except they simply substitute white males for Jews. The true right is simply about small government and self-determination. Part of self-determination is freedom of association. Every group, at every level, including the national level, has the right to exclude any other persons or group for any reason. That is ethnic self-determination. Preference for one's own people is never a sickness or something to apologize about. It has nothing to do with enslaving an outgroup or starting wars or growing big government. I agree that some young men are so angry about the destruction of their nations that they are now willing to do anything to incite the left. That is not smart. The biggest issue of our time is that the entire upper class of every Western nation is absolutely hell-bent on population replacement - and no one has a good explanation of why - and probably never will. All I can think of is that the upper class is bored and wants to watch their own people get destroyed by invaders as a form of entertainment. That elite is a murderous enemy that we need to fight. We don't have time for squabbles.
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I agree with almost everything you said. However, everyone who associates Nazism with the right is falling into a leftist frame. Nazis were socialists - and envy was their main motivator. They used superior people as a scapegoat in the same way that leftists use white males as a scapegoat. The Democratic party proudly uses virtually every tool of propaganda the Nazis used except they simply substitute white males for Jews. The true right is simply about small government and self-determination. Part of self-determination is freedom of association. Every group, at every level, including the national level, has the right to exclude any other persons or group for any reason. That is ethnic self-determination. Preference for one's own people is never a sickness or something to apologize about. It has nothing to do with enslaving an outgroup or starting wars or growing big government. I agree that some young men are so angry about the destruction of their nations that they are now willing to do anything to incite the left. That is not smart. The biggest issue of our time is that the entire upper class of every Western nation is absolutely hell-bent on population replacement - and no one has a good explanation of why - and probably never will. All I can think of is that the upper class is bored and wants to watch their own people get destroyed by invaders as a form of entertainment. That elite is a murderous enemy that we need to fight. We don't have time for squabbles.
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Sohave
50: 50 That is the explanation. That is what I believe is the root of any modern Nazi renaissance. There is no deeper rejection of a society that has been playing reverse nazi for 70 years than for some people to embrace Nazism. This is like Satanism in the 80's and 90's when the old Christian right was in charge and hated fun. Both things are borderline comedic irony. Some people larp and hang others out as their enemy till at some point the people they browbeat assume the role as the enemy out of spite.
I do disagree with you that the right does not know what it wants, The libertarians want to be left alone and pay as little tax as possible, the conservative right want some level of a cultural renaissance.
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50: 50 That is the explanation. That is what I believe is the root of any modern Nazi renaissance. There is no deeper rejection of a society that has been playing reverse nazi for 70 years than for some people to embrace Nazism. This is like Satanism in the 80's and 90's when the old Christian right was in charge and hated fun. Both things are borderline comedic irony. Some people larp and hang others out as their enemy till at some point the people they browbeat assume the role as the enemy out of spite.
I do disagree with you that the right does not know what it wants, The libertarians want to be left alone and pay as little tax as possible, the conservative right want some level of a cultural renaissance.
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AlanAndrei
since 1994, against all opinions. Just read history, biased anglo history and said to myself, Germany were teh good guys. The only regime that put Beauty and Aesthetics as the utmost valor in humans. Not money but Beauty and Courage. They were physically, intellectually and metaphysically (spiritually) the good guys, and without the entire world against them, they would have won. Only their brothers (english) could hold them back, as they possessed the same physicall and intellectual properties, but philosophically the English were rottern to the core.
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since 1994, against all opinions. Just read history, biased anglo history and said to myself, Germany were teh good guys. The only regime that put Beauty and Aesthetics as the utmost valor in humans. Not money but Beauty and Courage. They were physically, intellectually and metaphysically (spiritually) the good guys, and without the entire world against them, they would have won. Only their brothers (english) could hold them back, as they possessed the same physicall and intellectual properties, but philosophically the English were rottern to the core.
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abdirahmanbadal781
The Nazis were/are part of western culture. For example,
1 Racism . untill recently most people in the west believed that non-western peoples are backward &subhuman. It is where the concept of aryan race comes from.
2. large scale exterminations. The Europeans did that whenever they conquered a foreign territory. That is where things like the holocaust comes from. Remember what happened to native Americans &others.
3 the Only difference was that the Nazis took these practices to the extreme.
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The Nazis were/are part of western culture. For example,
1 Racism . untill recently most people in the west believed that non-western peoples are backward &subhuman. It is where the concept of aryan race comes from.
2. large scale exterminations. The Europeans did that whenever they conquered a foreign territory. That is where things like the holocaust comes from. Remember what happened to native Americans &others.
3 the Only difference was that the Nazis took these practices to the extreme.
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ghassankabbach2006
This is one of your best work. It's insane how parasitic ideas take hold of people and it's very interesting indeed watching take place live. I most certainly feel some concepts start to take root and if you are not very open minded, or have people in your life to warn you, then you can really slip into a dark world quickly. That's why it's important to have real life friends and family to talk to so you can frequently check your sanity and moral compass. One red pill a day is good. Don't swallow the whole bottle.
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This is one of your best work. It's insane how parasitic ideas take hold of people and it's very interesting indeed watching take place live. I most certainly feel some concepts start to take root and if you are not very open minded, or have people in your life to warn you, then you can really slip into a dark world quickly. That's why it's important to have real life friends and family to talk to so you can frequently check your sanity and moral compass. One red pill a day is good. Don't swallow the whole bottle.
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LucisClaritas
To underscore your point about the internet being a swampland where the same ideas are recycled and nothing new permeates the surface, it's interesting looking at this comments section and seeing how few people are even discussing the substance of the video. It seems like a lot of people came solely to state their opinions without ever having any intention of engaging with the content. A reasonable warning to those who value their time.
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To underscore your point about the internet being a swampland where the same ideas are recycled and nothing new permeates the surface, it's interesting looking at this comments section and seeing how few people are even discussing the substance of the video. It seems like a lot of people came solely to state their opinions without ever having any intention of engaging with the content. A reasonable warning to those who value their time.
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distant_voyager
Let me start by saying that I am a fan. I will steal a line from Dan Carlin, I am not a historian, but I am a fan of history I am a study of World War 2, particularly war in the Pacific, focused on the theater of operations of the Pacific Ocean Area, and specifically the Central Pacific and with a laser focus on operations from Operation Galvanic to Operation Iceberg. I’d like to see you do a piece on this part of the war
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Let me start by saying that I am a fan. I will steal a line from Dan Carlin, I am not a historian, but I am a fan of history I am a study of World War 2, particularly war in the Pacific, focused on the theater of operations of the Pacific Ocean Area, and specifically the Central Pacific and with a laser focus on operations from Operation Galvanic to Operation Iceberg. I’d like to see you do a piece on this part of the war
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imperialgrunt
Go read Stalins war and tell me the Soviet’s were not planning to attack Germany. Go read tragedy and hope by quigley and tell me the world wars were not guided by Anglo American power brokers to smash their competitors. The 20th century was recorded, censored and steered towards an Anglo American establishment. Your theories have become establishment sloppy narratives bites
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Go read Stalins war and tell me the Soviet’s were not planning to attack Germany. Go read tragedy and hope by quigley and tell me the world wars were not guided by Anglo American power brokers to smash their competitors. The 20th century was recorded, censored and steered towards an Anglo American establishment. Your theories have become establishment sloppy narratives bites
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shikyokira3065
If I'm the left mastermind, framing anything that is not the left as Nazi is just a tactic to realize Nazism. Even if they are definitionally not a Nazi, if I say it long enough they will become Nazi by default because that's how words get their meaning. Additionally, this can make the actual Nazis join the non-left group, thereby fulfilling the prophecy
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If I'm the left mastermind, framing anything that is not the left as Nazi is just a tactic to realize Nazism. Even if they are definitionally not a Nazi, if I say it long enough they will become Nazi by default because that's how words get their meaning. Additionally, this can make the actual Nazis join the non-left group, thereby fulfilling the prophecy
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annyonny1224
If you're so smart then how come you couldn't figure how either morally, or financially, why it would be in your own best long term interest not to fall into the cancerous modern alt media approach of agreeing to feature un-auto-skippable, boring, annoying sponsors in your very content, your very livelihood, your very claim to fame 70 books a year, huh
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If you're so smart then how come you couldn't figure how either morally, or financially, why it would be in your own best long term interest not to fall into the cancerous modern alt media approach of agreeing to feature un-auto-skippable, boring, annoying sponsors in your very content, your very livelihood, your very claim to fame 70 books a year, huh
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thegungooch639
I really enjoyed rise and fall of the third reich. Shirer was there especially in the begining. Antony beevors the second world war is excellent too. I also like the several german soldier memoirs out there too. Blood red snow and sniper on the eastern fronf are both really good. I like von lucks memoirs too
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I really enjoyed rise and fall of the third reich. Shirer was there especially in the begining. Antony beevors the second world war is excellent too. I also like the several german soldier memoirs out there too. Blood red snow and sniper on the eastern fronf are both really good. I like von lucks memoirs too
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benjaminlathem2745
We are becoming the monsters the left told us we were. With gy agenda and anti white propaganda at every corner whites are trying to form a body that protects them from the left. The nasis were bad but they were also strong and took care of their loyal citizens. Any port in a storm so to speak.
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We are becoming the monsters the left told us we were. With gy agenda and anti white propaganda at every corner whites are trying to form a body that protects them from the left. The nasis were bad but they were also strong and took care of their loyal citizens. Any port in a storm so to speak.
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andrewsemler4447
Stopped at 19: 23 when ima real historian and do the real research blatantly misquoted Cooper into being a strawman. This is why experts have lost trust. It makes me HAVE TO doubt anything else you have to say in this video. Argue against what was actually said, not what you wish was said.
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Stopped at 19: 23 when ima real historian and do the real research blatantly misquoted Cooper into being a strawman. This is why experts have lost trust. It makes me HAVE TO doubt anything else you have to say in this video. Argue against what was actually said, not what you wish was said.
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QuizmasterLaw
It's not just the reactions to the world wars, it's the causes and course of the world wars that explains late modernity since. but it's such a vast complex story that, while it can only be understood with books, most people just don't operate that broadly or deeply.
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It's not just the reactions to the world wars, it's the causes and course of the world wars that explains late modernity since. but it's such a vast complex story that, while it can only be understood with books, most people just don't operate that broadly or deeply.
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jasoncoomer1226
You can ALWAYS tell when a content creator gets that dreaded phone call.
In their next video they do a 180 on on their principals and begin running propaganda for the very same group they once investigated furiously.
The synagogue of Satan is real folks.
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You can ALWAYS tell when a content creator gets that dreaded phone call.
In their next video they do a 180 on on their principals and begin running propaganda for the very same group they once investigated furiously.
The synagogue of Satan is real folks.
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QuartzChrysalis
There is something I have noticed that sort of exists as an unstated counterpart to the bigotry of low expectations.
I'm not even sure how to phrase is correctly. It's like the person who does good is the most evil because they didn't create perfection.
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There is something I have noticed that sort of exists as an unstated counterpart to the bigotry of low expectations.
I'm not even sure how to phrase is correctly. It's like the person who does good is the most evil because they didn't create perfection.
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MourningDove-bn4dk
Why do you push the 'Not sees' to the right They are more in line with extreme centrism. There is nothing right wing about socialism and atheism in general. As to why these elements seem to be attracted to the right, it is because the left is communist.
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Why do you push the 'Not sees' to the right They are more in line with extreme centrism. There is nothing right wing about socialism and atheism in general. As to why these elements seem to be attracted to the right, it is because the left is communist.
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monkeyballs2342
I was listening intently up until Whatif started going down the Douglas Murray road of you can’t criticize these people cause they’re better than you or you’re not an expert BS we’re free Americans with the right to talk about whatever we want
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I was listening intently up until Whatif started going down the Douglas Murray road of you can’t criticize these people cause they’re better than you or you’re not an expert BS we’re free Americans with the right to talk about whatever we want
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whatifalthist
I’m not supporting Nazis or Nazi apologists, but Nazi apologia is not the same thing as being a Nazi.
For instance, one could believe that Holocaust has been exaggerated and used as a tool for manipulation without believing any Nazi ideals
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I’m not supporting Nazis or Nazi apologists, but Nazi apologia is not the same thing as being a Nazi.
For instance, one could believe that Holocaust has been exaggerated and used as a tool for manipulation without believing any Nazi ideals
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