The Ending Of Arrival Explained
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So, knowing your whole existence at once poses new problems with pre-determination. If you know that you're going to make a mistake, then you can avoid making that mistake. We know that Banks told Donnelly that Hannah was going to die from an incurable disease. Donnelly told her that it was mistake. If she knew that telling him what cause such a disruption in the lives of the family for a long period of time, then why do it? I mean, you're at a point of where you know you're going to tearing the heart out of the person you love and causing years of pain for everyone, why would you open your mouth? Why be in the same room?
Of course, few of us can remember everything from our past, so I suppose knowing the Universal Language would also have a similar flaw where we would have gaps in our future memories. But big decisions linger so I think future big decisions, especially ones of a catastrophic nature, would as well.
Anyway, I loved the movie. Suspension of disbelief is a core value for most movies. Remember, Jack Dawson will always drown no matter how large the door was.
Date: 2020-07-14
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Joseph
The interpretation is incorrect in regards to time. Choice does still exist because the Hetapods come to trigger the alternate time where humanity can help save them. They need humanity because we see linear time, we are capable of both. When you see time as a flat circle, you understand your only possibilities because things feel predetermined. We can achieve more things because the outcome is not seen, it is learned, thus can be changed. This is why Louise is the Hetapods only hope. Why land so many ships, talk to the Russians if they already knew who would be able to learn their language? That is because the Hetapods don't know. The Hetapods say to the Russians there is no time. Why even bother with this. Louise gains the ability to perceive time differently through the language. She understands her daughter will die but she chooses this future because she experiences what it feels like to be with her, to feel that love of having a child. You could take the leap that at some point she tell's Ian this truth. Overall the reason we are needed is because our brains ability to see outside the circle.
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The interpretation is incorrect in regards to time. Choice does still exist because the Hetapods come to trigger the alternate time where humanity can help save them. They need humanity because we see linear time, we are capable of both. When you see time as a flat circle, you understand your only possibilities because things feel predetermined. We can achieve more things because the outcome is not seen, it is learned, thus can be changed. This is why Louise is the Hetapods only hope. Why land so many ships, talk to the Russians if they already knew who would be able to learn their language? That is because the Hetapods don't know. The Hetapods say to the Russians there is no time. Why even bother with this. Louise gains the ability to perceive time differently through the language. She understands her daughter will die but she chooses this future because she experiences what it feels like to be with her, to feel that love of having a child. You could take the leap that at some point she tell's Ian this truth. Overall the reason we are needed is because our brains ability to see outside the circle.
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Kimoto
If you learn a language and take on the culture of that language, you will indeed see things through the lens of that culture. If you learn the language without taking on the culture, you'll miss the depth of the language, the people, and of course the culture because you'll be projecting your own culture/world view onto them.
Yes, language with culture does determine how you see the world. Ask any honest modern human if he felt he'd be the same person if raised in a totally different culture and circumstance and there's a 100% chance he'll say No, I'd be different. If you've learned a language sufficiently different from your own (think western language VS say, Arabic or even better Japanese, Chinese or Thai. and you've sufficiently let go of your first culture to adopt the new one the language belongs to. You'd know the world views are distinct between the cultures/languages. What's missing in this video is that culture shapes language and culture plus language shape the minds. who under its influence contribute to maintaining and shaping the culture/language (It's a feedback loop.
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If you learn a language and take on the culture of that language, you will indeed see things through the lens of that culture. If you learn the language without taking on the culture, you'll miss the depth of the language, the people, and of course the culture because you'll be projecting your own culture/world view onto them.
Yes, language with culture does determine how you see the world. Ask any honest modern human if he felt he'd be the same person if raised in a totally different culture and circumstance and there's a 100% chance he'll say No, I'd be different. If you've learned a language sufficiently different from your own (think western language VS say, Arabic or even better Japanese, Chinese or Thai. and you've sufficiently let go of your first culture to adopt the new one the language belongs to. You'd know the world views are distinct between the cultures/languages. What's missing in this video is that culture shapes language and culture plus language shape the minds. who under its influence contribute to maintaining and shaping the culture/language (It's a feedback loop.
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dan
Wait wait wait. Call me dumb but I think theres a contradiction in this explanation.
If non-linear time = predetermined
And
Linear time = Free will
Why is it that Louise is the only exception to not having free will anymore? Because she learned to speak the Heptapods language?
But if humanity is tied in with the Heltapods future then that makes all other humans including Louise no longer eligible for free will. Because the destiny of humanity and the heptapods are tied in together.
Or am I totally dumb?
Basically. If humanity is tied into the circular problem the heptapods face then we thus do not operate by linear time. We only have the illusion that we do. Thats what I think the film is moreso about. That linear time is an illusion to humanity (a result of only 3 dimensional awareness) and until we transcend into the 4th dimensional plane (time) we are stuck in the illusion of linear time. When we are in fact a part of non-linear time just as the Heps are.
I dunno. I.
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Wait wait wait. Call me dumb but I think theres a contradiction in this explanation.
If non-linear time = predetermined
And
Linear time = Free will
Why is it that Louise is the only exception to not having free will anymore? Because she learned to speak the Heptapods language?
But if humanity is tied in with the Heltapods future then that makes all other humans including Louise no longer eligible for free will. Because the destiny of humanity and the heptapods are tied in together.
Or am I totally dumb?
Basically. If humanity is tied into the circular problem the heptapods face then we thus do not operate by linear time. We only have the illusion that we do. Thats what I think the film is moreso about. That linear time is an illusion to humanity (a result of only 3 dimensional awareness) and until we transcend into the 4th dimensional plane (time) we are stuck in the illusion of linear time. When we are in fact a part of non-linear time just as the Heps are.
I dunno. I.
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windstennotsukai
That analysis is wrong at the end, or said incorrectly. Non-linear time as a universal concept doesn't mean pre-determination. But in the context of the movie about circular time - maybe. But I don't agree with that either, that the movie was saying time is circular. What about the off shoots and branches off of their language then? Those represent forks, or alternate realities. If time really was only circular and we can only go back and forth, and events are predetermined, then she would have already known everything about the message when the general approached her. That was her slipping into another timeline offshoot - not the same timeline. Now in the current timeline in the future she will know what happens at the party but it won't happen the same way! Because she knows. So yeah. it also means that she can avoid the fate with her daughter because she knows. She can avoid the divorce. Etc. Offshoots, timeline jumping, no predetermination, yet everything is possible and determined.
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That analysis is wrong at the end, or said incorrectly. Non-linear time as a universal concept doesn't mean pre-determination. But in the context of the movie about circular time - maybe. But I don't agree with that either, that the movie was saying time is circular. What about the off shoots and branches off of their language then? Those represent forks, or alternate realities. If time really was only circular and we can only go back and forth, and events are predetermined, then she would have already known everything about the message when the general approached her. That was her slipping into another timeline offshoot - not the same timeline. Now in the current timeline in the future she will know what happens at the party but it won't happen the same way! Because she knows. So yeah. it also means that she can avoid the fate with her daughter because she knows. She can avoid the divorce. Etc. Offshoots, timeline jumping, no predetermination, yet everything is possible and determined.
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Perry
No. Time is an illusion humans created to mark boundaries on boundless change. For instance, imagine a meadow within a forest. If you wanted to create a football field on top of the meadow, you would overlay the precise dimensions of a football field onto the meadow by measurements. That's what time is - measurements that create boundaries. Time is like a yard stick. a tool that creates a useful illusion. The film Arrival is a well-constructed movie as long as you convince yourself that the illusion is reality. We cannot see or understand future events before they occur, although, our experiences of on-going events can help us guess accurately at what might occur in the never-ending spiral of continuous change. An interesting facet of perpetual change is all those events which seem to lie in our past are actually occurring in a never-ending present which keeps pushing into the future. In-other-words, today is still the first day. the only day.
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No. Time is an illusion humans created to mark boundaries on boundless change. For instance, imagine a meadow within a forest. If you wanted to create a football field on top of the meadow, you would overlay the precise dimensions of a football field onto the meadow by measurements. That's what time is - measurements that create boundaries. Time is like a yard stick. a tool that creates a useful illusion. The film Arrival is a well-constructed movie as long as you convince yourself that the illusion is reality. We cannot see or understand future events before they occur, although, our experiences of on-going events can help us guess accurately at what might occur in the never-ending spiral of continuous change. An interesting facet of perpetual change is all those events which seem to lie in our past are actually occurring in a never-ending present which keeps pushing into the future. In-other-words, today is still the first day. the only day.
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Vic
So if the whole point was to write the book and teach humanity hepta-pod, why did the daughter have to die? Ian leaves her because she made a choice, what is the choice? Why does the child still have to die if the whole point is the book? I think it might have to do with the rewiring of Louises brain. Remember, that Costello could have prevented Abbotts death since he knew what would happen. Abbott could have prevented his own death. But they work differently. What if the rewiring of Louises brain to hepta-pod, eliminated the Idea that she has an influence on her future? If you don't have that free will anymore, if you enter the loop, instead of following the line, what would you call it? It's not really a choice anymore. Ian was still linear at the time, so he could only call it a choice. that is where I run into a wall. Hannahs Death makes no sense to me xD
loved the movie tho: D
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So if the whole point was to write the book and teach humanity hepta-pod, why did the daughter have to die? Ian leaves her because she made a choice, what is the choice? Why does the child still have to die if the whole point is the book? I think it might have to do with the rewiring of Louises brain. Remember, that Costello could have prevented Abbotts death since he knew what would happen. Abbott could have prevented his own death. But they work differently. What if the rewiring of Louises brain to hepta-pod, eliminated the Idea that she has an influence on her future? If you don't have that free will anymore, if you enter the loop, instead of following the line, what would you call it? It's not really a choice anymore. Ian was still linear at the time, so he could only call it a choice. that is where I run into a wall. Hannahs Death makes no sense to me xD
loved the movie tho: D
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Romeo
I disagree with one idea from this video. This video claims that with time being non-linear, then everything is predetermined. I choose to see this idea in a different manner. To me, time represents a loop in which everything keeps happening over and over again, with our actions and decisions changing both our future and future-past. In the movie, Louise chooses over and over again to save the world and call the general every single time, living through the fact of losing her daughter and her husband. The fact that she saw what would or has happened 18 months later is due to her already saving the world in the previous time. If she would choose not to call the general, then, in the following times, she would not be able to see the future in which she meets the general and wouldn't be able to save the world, nor get the same child. etc
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I disagree with one idea from this video. This video claims that with time being non-linear, then everything is predetermined. I choose to see this idea in a different manner. To me, time represents a loop in which everything keeps happening over and over again, with our actions and decisions changing both our future and future-past. In the movie, Louise chooses over and over again to save the world and call the general every single time, living through the fact of losing her daughter and her husband. The fact that she saw what would or has happened 18 months later is due to her already saving the world in the previous time. If she would choose not to call the general, then, in the following times, she would not be able to see the future in which she meets the general and wouldn't be able to save the world, nor get the same child. etc
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fanjoy
I probably need to see it again. I didnt get the idea that she had no choice, rather that being that she was who she was made her choices logical. Without any other changes entering her life she did not have any reason to change, as if her life was on tracks to the inevitable. The aliens intervention, the introduction to non-linear thinking, is just such a reason. Some will go on but others will change to help the aliens out. Yes, they saw this in the cards, so you could say that they had no choice. But if everything was written in stone, why send so many pods out? Why not just send the two or three that were crucial? The circular nature of their written language has a big hole in it. A void that cannot be predicted.
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I probably need to see it again. I didnt get the idea that she had no choice, rather that being that she was who she was made her choices logical. Without any other changes entering her life she did not have any reason to change, as if her life was on tracks to the inevitable. The aliens intervention, the introduction to non-linear thinking, is just such a reason. Some will go on but others will change to help the aliens out. Yes, they saw this in the cards, so you could say that they had no choice. But if everything was written in stone, why send so many pods out? Why not just send the two or three that were crucial? The circular nature of their written language has a big hole in it. A void that cannot be predicted.
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No
The problem I had with the movie is that time doesn't exist. It is a human construct, made up of the measuring of known relative objects. A day is merely the earth making a single rotation on its axis, a year is merely a single orbit of the earth traveling around the sun and what we perceive as time is just a standard of dividing those events into manageable increments. So, saying that the Heptipods don't exist in linear time is ignorant of the reality of existence.
All things in the universe exist in the immediate. What was has moved to another location in the relative universe. It can never return to that position. The universe is always in motion.
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The problem I had with the movie is that time doesn't exist. It is a human construct, made up of the measuring of known relative objects. A day is merely the earth making a single rotation on its axis, a year is merely a single orbit of the earth traveling around the sun and what we perceive as time is just a standard of dividing those events into manageable increments. So, saying that the Heptipods don't exist in linear time is ignorant of the reality of existence.
All things in the universe exist in the immediate. What was has moved to another location in the relative universe. It can never return to that position. The universe is always in motion.
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