Lord Of The Rings Theories That Would Change Everything
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2. Sort of. As above, the ring bends the desires of all who bear it towards the will of Sauron, the ring becomes the most important thing to them because it is a means to achieve everything they ever set out to do. It becomes 'precious' to them, and all ring bearers take on similar personalities because everyone reacts similarly when protecting something precious to them.
3. Nope, a lot of this is addressed directly in companion novels like the War of the Ring. Gollum left the mountains a few years after Bilbo to search for the ring and made his way south into Mordor. It is directly stated in the movies that Gollum knows the ring's power, that it is always trying to return to its true master so it would stand to reason that he would begin by looking for Bilbo to bring the ring to Sauron. He survived an encounter with Shelob and was captured and tortured for a time in Barad-dur before he was released, he was captured by Aragorn and interrogated by Gandalf before being turned over to Thranduil but escaped and went into Moria where he happened upon the fellowship. Since we know he went first into Mordor before being captured and that his subsequent release and recapture would have been between the time of Bilbo's 111th birthday when Gandalf first suspected Bilbo's ring was the One, and when he returned to prompt the trip to Rivendell. There would be no point where he could've murdered Frodo's parents.
4. Possibly. The books never directly explain the process of creating orcs only that they were elves once, when Melkor learned of the first awakening he captured some of the elves and tortured and twisted them into orcs. However, I do have my own theory that would make man-orcs impossible. See when the elves awoke they were bathed in the light of the stars because the sun and moon still weren't created. This association with light is integral to their character so much so that when the Valar discovered them Orome immediately named them Eldar or People of the Stars however Ungolient, the ancient evil before even Morgoth was the eater of all light and was approximately spider shaped though not really a spider and had venom. I think this venom which belonged to the light snuffer was what was used to turn elves into orcs. It ate their light and made them into twisted abominations of their former selves.
5. Pretty much. This is touched on in deeper detail in the books and companion text but the fact that Saruman wanted to usurp the dark lord and make his own rings is pretty well understood. Whether or not Grima had a ring of his own, I kind of doubt, that would have been too much recognition for Saruman to give Grima. Grima's tragedy is that he was once a proud man of Rohan, but due to Saruman's manipulation was reduced to a simpering mouthpiece for his master. Giving him a ring would have made him feel important and might have caused him to recall his former pride and turn against Saruman.
6. No. This theory falls apart when you consider that not only did Tom Bombadil actually HAVE the ring at one point, he put it on showed that it didn't effect him in the slightest and then returned the ring to Frodo, the Witch King would never have been allowed to do such a thing as the Nazghul only exist to hunt and return the ring to Sauron.
7. Maybe. Radaghast mainly lives and operates in Mirkwood and, though it's not all that far from Fangorn it would require him to slip past Dol Guldur which would've been a trick or else go a long ways around through Lothlorien. It seems more plausible that it was Sauron who was right at the doorstep of Fangorn.
8. Hah! For my own comfort and sanity I'm going to say that this is definitely the case. XD
Date: 2020-07-14
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Ssuke
I've only ever disliked a few videos since YouTube was created. But you are now on that list
Tldr. Don't make videos on random shit trying to get content made when you have people who actually enjoy a story that you are just butchering
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I'd like to think it's safe to say you first enjoyed Lord of the rings and the work of tolkien And if that is a true statement please don't butcher his work the man spent his entire life on that just so you could make a crappy 10 minute YouTube video.
You completely butchered an overanalyze things that already had answers
The eagle theory you hadn't was answered I'm personally not going to explain all that more or less the ring would have a backwards power on them because they are beings of power themselves
Second of all you spoke of gollum/smegol as if people see them as two (The average individual who has seen the movies has never even looked at a page in one of the books so i this it's fair to say they're not going to know this)
That said smeagol and gollum were confirmed to be two sets of people more or less rather than just one person who's like crazy
Like you said in your video all the people who have had contact with the ring have developed those traits and when frodo goes out of his way to bring up smeagol's past and how he used to be a Hobbit (and in the return of the king extended edition they show how he got the ring by killing his family member on his birthday)
With that said smeagol originally called the ring his present but one of the split as you're calling them personalities the evil side had a nasty cough he could never get rid of so people shunned him and that is one big reason he fled to the misty mountains the thing that came from this cough was him saying his name gollum gollum and Because his scratched voice he started naturally saying precious instead of present (because of The damage to his throat)
3rd point grema followed saruman for one reason saruman promised him aowen (Eomir's cousin) If he helps poison king of Theodore and helps the fall of Rohan
Theoretically yes And honestly seems about that you token would do to have a ring controlling grema worm tongue but saruman is using worm tongues obsession with Aowen as payment for his help
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I've only ever disliked a few videos since YouTube was created. But you are now on that list
Tldr. Don't make videos on random shit trying to get content made when you have people who actually enjoy a story that you are just butchering
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I'd like to think it's safe to say you first enjoyed Lord of the rings and the work of tolkien And if that is a true statement please don't butcher his work the man spent his entire life on that just so you could make a crappy 10 minute YouTube video.
You completely butchered an overanalyze things that already had answers
The eagle theory you hadn't was answered I'm personally not going to explain all that more or less the ring would have a backwards power on them because they are beings of power themselves
Second of all you spoke of gollum/smegol as if people see them as two (The average individual who has seen the movies has never even looked at a page in one of the books so i this it's fair to say they're not going to know this)
That said smeagol and gollum were confirmed to be two sets of people more or less rather than just one person who's like crazy
Like you said in your video all the people who have had contact with the ring have developed those traits and when frodo goes out of his way to bring up smeagol's past and how he used to be a Hobbit (and in the return of the king extended edition they show how he got the ring by killing his family member on his birthday)
With that said smeagol originally called the ring his present but one of the split as you're calling them personalities the evil side had a nasty cough he could never get rid of so people shunned him and that is one big reason he fled to the misty mountains the thing that came from this cough was him saying his name gollum gollum and Because his scratched voice he started naturally saying precious instead of present (because of The damage to his throat)
3rd point grema followed saruman for one reason saruman promised him aowen (Eomir's cousin) If he helps poison king of Theodore and helps the fall of Rohan
Theoretically yes And honestly seems about that you token would do to have a ring controlling grema worm tongue but saruman is using worm tongues obsession with Aowen as payment for his help
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TheImmutableTruth
Fantasy is metaphor. The Eagles are servants of Manwe (king of the Valar and ruler of the wind/birds) themselves akin to Maiar (angelic) spirits such as Gandalf himself. They resided among the highest peaks of middle-earth, elevated above worldly concerns. They were not beasts of burden to be called upon except for in times of great need by those with the authority to do so, to counter evil of similar nature (Saruman/Sauron) NOT to act as a taxi service. Gandalf, as a Maiar spirit, is an exception because of his 'angelic' kinship to the eagles/Manwe, and because he once healed the King of the Eagles, Gwaihir. Not to mention that the whole point of having a Hobbit as ring bearer was to enter Mordor UNNOTICED; the whole point of the story was to highlight how ruling powers underestimate the little people and overlook humility as a weakness, how heroism comes from a stout heart and good deeds, not glory and might.
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Fantasy is metaphor. The Eagles are servants of Manwe (king of the Valar and ruler of the wind/birds) themselves akin to Maiar (angelic) spirits such as Gandalf himself. They resided among the highest peaks of middle-earth, elevated above worldly concerns. They were not beasts of burden to be called upon except for in times of great need by those with the authority to do so, to counter evil of similar nature (Saruman/Sauron) NOT to act as a taxi service. Gandalf, as a Maiar spirit, is an exception because of his 'angelic' kinship to the eagles/Manwe, and because he once healed the King of the Eagles, Gwaihir. Not to mention that the whole point of having a Hobbit as ring bearer was to enter Mordor UNNOTICED; the whole point of the story was to highlight how ruling powers underestimate the little people and overlook humility as a weakness, how heroism comes from a stout heart and good deeds, not glory and might.
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Adam
The line Bilbo had in the book about how he originally told his story differently is due to a retcon from tolkien. In the original version of the Hobbit he got the ring from Gollum as a prize for winning the riddle game (or something like that I dont remember exactly. This was later changed to him basically stealing it from Gollum because it makes no sense with LOTR that Gollum wouldve just given it away like that. Subsequent editions of the Hobbit had a rewrite of this scene for continuity. Bilbo is referencing this when he tells the story during the Council of Elrond. (Side note: you can find a side-by-side of the original vs revised text online)
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The line Bilbo had in the book about how he originally told his story differently is due to a retcon from tolkien. In the original version of the Hobbit he got the ring from Gollum as a prize for winning the riddle game (or something like that I dont remember exactly. This was later changed to him basically stealing it from Gollum because it makes no sense with LOTR that Gollum wouldve just given it away like that. Subsequent editions of the Hobbit had a rewrite of this scene for continuity. Bilbo is referencing this when he tells the story during the Council of Elrond. (Side note: you can find a side-by-side of the original vs revised text online)
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fanjoy
If it wasnt for the diversion Aragorn strategized at the Black Gate to assemble the ENTIRE remaining army of orcs, the eagles wouldve been shot down and killed by volleys of tens of thousands of arrows. You need to at least mull over some details before hashing out ridiculous theories.
Edit: Not to mention, the eagles dont come to the rescue until after the Eye is destroyed, allowing safer passage
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If it wasnt for the diversion Aragorn strategized at the Black Gate to assemble the ENTIRE remaining army of orcs, the eagles wouldve been shot down and killed by volleys of tens of thousands of arrows. You need to at least mull over some details before hashing out ridiculous theories.
Edit: Not to mention, the eagles dont come to the rescue until after the Eye is destroyed, allowing safer passage
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sandorsbox
Tom is the Witch-King is the most ridiculous theory Ive ever heard. A glint in his eye could simple mean he knew of the riders. Many beings could see into the world of shadow. Not disappearing is the least missing effect the ring would have had on the witch-King. Why didnt he take the ring and go back to his master at that point?
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Tom is the Witch-King is the most ridiculous theory Ive ever heard. A glint in his eye could simple mean he knew of the riders. Many beings could see into the world of shadow. Not disappearing is the least missing effect the ring would have had on the witch-King. Why didnt he take the ring and go back to his master at that point?
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wss
They could not use the eagles to travel Mordor. The eye of Sauron would have spotted such large flying creatures. He couldn't see so much more little hobbits so clearly at least. Not until Sauron was destroyed, then Gandalf or someone else could only use eagles to get Frodo and Sam from the crushing slopes of Mount Doom.
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They could not use the eagles to travel Mordor. The eye of Sauron would have spotted such large flying creatures. He couldn't see so much more little hobbits so clearly at least. Not until Sauron was destroyed, then Gandalf or someone else could only use eagles to get Frodo and Sam from the crushing slopes of Mount Doom.
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wss
The Hobbit There And Back Again written in 1937 and Lord Of The Rings written in 1954-1955. Tolkien based his novels party in finnish mythological book Kalevala. He also discussed many times with C. S. Lewis the creator of The Chronicles Of Narnia. R. I. P. Ian Holm by the way, the actor for older Bilbo Baggins.
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The Hobbit There And Back Again written in 1937 and Lord Of The Rings written in 1954-1955. Tolkien based his novels party in finnish mythological book Kalevala. He also discussed many times with C. S. Lewis the creator of The Chronicles Of Narnia. R. I. P. Ian Holm by the way, the actor for older Bilbo Baggins.
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ian
The reason galadriel gave gimli her hairs is because she demanded he ask what he desires and he responded so eloquently and humbly, never demanding only stating that it is more fair then any jewel under the earth, that she have it to him. Whereas feanor demanded her hair as a great elven lord
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The reason galadriel gave gimli her hairs is because she demanded he ask what he desires and he responded so eloquently and humbly, never demanding only stating that it is more fair then any jewel under the earth, that she have it to him. Whereas feanor demanded her hair as a great elven lord
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PalmQuigley
but if you want proof about the hobbit trilogy (or book) actually happening just re-watch the first lord of the rings movie. theres a scene where the felloship literally camp in a cove filled with three trolls that have been turned to stone.
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but if you want proof about the hobbit trilogy (or book) actually happening just re-watch the first lord of the rings movie. theres a scene where the felloship literally camp in a cove filled with three trolls that have been turned to stone.
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