Succession's Macfadyen Has A Theory About Shiv's Change Of Heart
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Date: 2023-06-01
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Max
Macfadyen is at least half wrong though. Jesse Armstrong clearly tied together what it's about in two scenes. First we see her on the plane with Tom on the phone, asking him if they can make their relationship work. That goes full circle after she made him the king when they sit in the car and he gives her his answer yes, by offering his hand. Shiv is vindicitive and felt she was sidelined by the brothers all along, and still she decided to make Ken CEO when she initially found out she got screwed by Mattson. That changed once she found out that the new CEO will be tom, which he tells her himself right before the board meeting. The scene where Ken is seen in his presumed new office and the way he displays added to that, but wasnt key, since again, she knew him for that all along. But as a total opportunist and in that regard, the winner of the siblings, she became the heir to her father. She is serious. She couldnt be CEO herself, she got ousted by Mattson and her brothers, but for her it's preferable to be the wife of the CEO who happens to be father to her unborn child. She chose herself and her own family over her prior family, also something her father would have done, and also something her mother would have done. She isnt any different from Ken, but if she couldnt have the crown herself, at least Ken isnt getting it either.
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Macfadyen is at least half wrong though. Jesse Armstrong clearly tied together what it's about in two scenes. First we see her on the plane with Tom on the phone, asking him if they can make their relationship work. That goes full circle after she made him the king when they sit in the car and he gives her his answer yes, by offering his hand. Shiv is vindicitive and felt she was sidelined by the brothers all along, and still she decided to make Ken CEO when she initially found out she got screwed by Mattson. That changed once she found out that the new CEO will be tom, which he tells her himself right before the board meeting. The scene where Ken is seen in his presumed new office and the way he displays added to that, but wasnt key, since again, she knew him for that all along. But as a total opportunist and in that regard, the winner of the siblings, she became the heir to her father. She is serious. She couldnt be CEO herself, she got ousted by Mattson and her brothers, but for her it's preferable to be the wife of the CEO who happens to be father to her unborn child. She chose herself and her own family over her prior family, also something her father would have done, and also something her mother would have done. She isnt any different from Ken, but if she couldnt have the crown herself, at least Ken isnt getting it either.
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vODDEVILISH
Exactly how I saw it too. I m puzzled by all the folks who see Shiv s decision as some sort of self-sacrifice for Tom. He was the lesser evil to stomach for her- she couldn t bare to see Kendall sit in Logan s chair and call the shots and seeing how easily he gave out power to Stewy, she realized how she would be quickly sidelined (a point made by director Mark Mylod in his newest Variety interview. If she couldn t win, she had to make sure none of her siblings would either. There s nothing selfless about Shiv s character. Never has been.
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Exactly how I saw it too. I m puzzled by all the folks who see Shiv s decision as some sort of self-sacrifice for Tom. He was the lesser evil to stomach for her- she couldn t bare to see Kendall sit in Logan s chair and call the shots and seeing how easily he gave out power to Stewy, she realized how she would be quickly sidelined (a point made by director Mark Mylod in his newest Variety interview. If she couldn t win, she had to make sure none of her siblings would either. There s nothing selfless about Shiv s character. Never has been.
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Jared
Tom won.
When he extended the hand it was his way of asking are you with ME? For the first time in their relationship she will need him to stay relevant. And not the other way around.
Shiv was reluctant to side with Kendall the day before. So her changing her mind was not surprising. And she was right, Kendall would be bad as CEO.
The Roman scene is what gets to me. He acknowledges that he s nothing, they re all nothing without their dad. He looked like he was holding back tears saying it.
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Tom won.
When he extended the hand it was his way of asking are you with ME? For the first time in their relationship she will need him to stay relevant. And not the other way around.
Shiv was reluctant to side with Kendall the day before. So her changing her mind was not surprising. And she was right, Kendall would be bad as CEO.
The Roman scene is what gets to me. He acknowledges that he s nothing, they re all nothing without their dad. He looked like he was holding back tears saying it.
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Matthew
It took me a while to process the ending of this show. Because she effectively worked outside the company, Shiv was never going to be CEO. Voting for the deal blocks Kendall and Roman and as the wife of the CEO she still gets access to the trappings of office; the planes, the parties, the meetings with heads of state. She didn't win but she finishes ahead of her brothers who simply walk away with no voice in GoJoWaystarRoyco.
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It took me a while to process the ending of this show. Because she effectively worked outside the company, Shiv was never going to be CEO. Voting for the deal blocks Kendall and Roman and as the wife of the CEO she still gets access to the trappings of office; the planes, the parties, the meetings with heads of state. She didn't win but she finishes ahead of her brothers who simply walk away with no voice in GoJoWaystarRoyco.
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July
Too much credit is being given to shiv. It s simple she s a petty woman that will never downgrade on her lifestyle. Seriously you think she s gonna give up the private Jets, chauffeurs, and other luxuries on the company dime? She s miserable as it is, but she ll maintain power in being the wife of the CEO, while the siblings are still billionaires but they have to pay for that stuff now. Shiv wins really.
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Too much credit is being given to shiv. It s simple she s a petty woman that will never downgrade on her lifestyle. Seriously you think she s gonna give up the private Jets, chauffeurs, and other luxuries on the company dime? She s miserable as it is, but she ll maintain power in being the wife of the CEO, while the siblings are still billionaires but they have to pay for that stuff now. Shiv wins really.
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fanjoy
Macfadyen definitely thinks like Tom. Shiv has been trying to get back with her husband ever since he started treating her like crap, so she burns all her bridges, loses whatever shred of respect Matsson still had for her, and loses all her power within the company so she can make him a CEO, and he still thinks that she did that for herself
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Macfadyen definitely thinks like Tom. Shiv has been trying to get back with her husband ever since he started treating her like crap, so she burns all her bridges, loses whatever shred of respect Matsson still had for her, and loses all her power within the company so she can make him a CEO, and he still thinks that she did that for herself
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fanjoy
Absolutely subjective. For me, it was the victory of my favorite duet in the whole series. Duet of Tom and Matthew. Yes, character and actor. The gesture when he offers his hand to Shiv, who did not want to go with him, shows that he has power even if there is no love.
It is not the strongest who survive, but those who can adapt
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Absolutely subjective. For me, it was the victory of my favorite duet in the whole series. Duet of Tom and Matthew. Yes, character and actor. The gesture when he offers his hand to Shiv, who did not want to go with him, shows that he has power even if there is no love.
It is not the strongest who survive, but those who can adapt
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Roland
It s the perfect example of how it doesn t matter how intelligent, traitorous, or much of an expert you are in your field. The ass kisser/boot licker will always obtain the top spot. The reality of bending the knee is that you will be taken care of through initial power/finances, but you will always be the sacrificial lamb.
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It s the perfect example of how it doesn t matter how intelligent, traitorous, or much of an expert you are in your field. The ass kisser/boot licker will always obtain the top spot. The reality of bending the knee is that you will be taken care of through initial power/finances, but you will always be the sacrificial lamb.
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TigerMyth
I would disagree that Tom lost the most or even lost at all. He is now the CEO of a billion dollar company. He will earn enough money and clout to fail his way into another top spot should the merged company fail. Ending this way is a massive win for Tom given how bleak things looked when Logan died.
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I would disagree that Tom lost the most or even lost at all. He is now the CEO of a billion dollar company. He will earn enough money and clout to fail his way into another top spot should the merged company fail. Ending this way is a massive win for Tom given how bleak things looked when Logan died.
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Jack
At the end of the day I still think Greg and Roman are the winners. Shiv gonna bang Mattison and continue to make toms life hell. Ken gonna Kurt cobain it. Rome will be drinking at bars having fun joking with randoms and strangers and Greg just happy to keep making 200k plus a year.
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At the end of the day I still think Greg and Roman are the winners. Shiv gonna bang Mattison and continue to make toms life hell. Ken gonna Kurt cobain it. Rome will be drinking at bars having fun joking with randoms and strangers and Greg just happy to keep making 200k plus a year.
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Rex
Macfadyen, the actor who plays Tom, is smart. Shiv just hates Kendall. She says it. It's years of psychological crap going back to childhood. She's jealous and she can't stomach him. She probably also doesn't think he's up to it, but it's mostly her disgust for Kendall. He's right.
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Macfadyen, the actor who plays Tom, is smart. Shiv just hates Kendall. She says it. It's years of psychological crap going back to childhood. She's jealous and she can't stomach him. She probably also doesn't think he's up to it, but it's mostly her disgust for Kendall. He's right.
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The
For me, I think her voting for Kendall means that both she AND Tom lose. and through them, her future kid(s. She secured that future by making sure Tom got the CEO spot, and through him. her and their children's continued legacy. It was the long play.
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For me, I think her voting for Kendall means that both she AND Tom lose. and through them, her future kid(s. She secured that future by making sure Tom got the CEO spot, and through him. her and their children's continued legacy. It was the long play.
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jwbjpb1
Tom played them all perfectly. He then destroys them when he lets Logan know what is up at the end of season 3. He let them destroy each other and argue and lose sight of it all and Tom rolls into the job by playing both sides against each other.
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Tom played them all perfectly. He then destroys them when he lets Logan know what is up at the end of season 3. He let them destroy each other and argue and lose sight of it all and Tom rolls into the job by playing both sides against each other.
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fanjoy
Logan knew none of his kids were fit to take roystar. Roman couldn't back up his talk. Shiv was emotional why she betrayed Kendall. Kendall couldn't close any deal would as always self destruct. And Conner I mean Conner who married a escort.
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Logan knew none of his kids were fit to take roystar. Roman couldn't back up his talk. Shiv was emotional why she betrayed Kendall. Kendall couldn't close any deal would as always self destruct. And Conner I mean Conner who married a escort.
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