Top 10 Dark Truths About Old Hollywood
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Date: 2023-11-21
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fanjoy
My understanding was that Hattie McDaniel was not even allowed to sit in the audience when she won an Academy award. The reason is the hotel where the Oscars were held, did not allow African-American guests. So they only let her in to accept the award. Then she had to leave. Im unclear if they let her sit in some other part of the hotel, but she wasnt at the actual ceremony. Her acceptance speech was not written by her, she was not allowed to say a single original word. It was written by the production company. I actually dont like that speech because its it is overkill on the gratitude, subservience, and humility. Although Hattie McDaniel did a beautiful job reading her lines. But I would like to hear what she wouldve chosen to say.
Also of interest Clark Gable was actually a friend to Hattie McDaniel. They had been in several movies together. When Gone with the Wind premiered, Hattie McDaniels was not invited to the premiere. This pissed Clark Gable off so much he was going to refuse to go. But Hattie McDaniel herself begged him not to make a fuss and go anyway. I am unclear of how he reacted to the whole Academy Awards snub. But there are several noted incidents of Clark Gable trying to make things right for his African-American costars and crewmembers.
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My understanding was that Hattie McDaniel was not even allowed to sit in the audience when she won an Academy award. The reason is the hotel where the Oscars were held, did not allow African-American guests. So they only let her in to accept the award. Then she had to leave. Im unclear if they let her sit in some other part of the hotel, but she wasnt at the actual ceremony. Her acceptance speech was not written by her, she was not allowed to say a single original word. It was written by the production company. I actually dont like that speech because its it is overkill on the gratitude, subservience, and humility. Although Hattie McDaniel did a beautiful job reading her lines. But I would like to hear what she wouldve chosen to say.
Also of interest Clark Gable was actually a friend to Hattie McDaniel. They had been in several movies together. When Gone with the Wind premiered, Hattie McDaniels was not invited to the premiere. This pissed Clark Gable off so much he was going to refuse to go. But Hattie McDaniel herself begged him not to make a fuss and go anyway. I am unclear of how he reacted to the whole Academy Awards snub. But there are several noted incidents of Clark Gable trying to make things right for his African-American costars and crewmembers.
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Mark
Just like Lana Turner who was letting go at Warners in 1956 but she made a comeback for one last time with star/executive producer Bob Hope
on Academy Award nominated filmmaker Jack Arnold's Oscar nominated romantic classic, Bachelor in Paradise - 1961. Produced by Ted Richmond.
Robert Dorfmann in his American film as co-producer after he won an 1953 Honorary Oscar for Forbidden Games and continues to work until Fall 1994.
Written for the screen by Valentine Davies and Hal Kanter from a story by Vera Caspary. TM and (c)1961, renewed 1989 Turner Entertainment Co,
an AOL Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved. (c)2002 Warner Bros, an AOL Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved.
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Just like Lana Turner who was letting go at Warners in 1956 but she made a comeback for one last time with star/executive producer Bob Hope
on Academy Award nominated filmmaker Jack Arnold's Oscar nominated romantic classic, Bachelor in Paradise - 1961. Produced by Ted Richmond.
Robert Dorfmann in his American film as co-producer after he won an 1953 Honorary Oscar for Forbidden Games and continues to work until Fall 1994.
Written for the screen by Valentine Davies and Hal Kanter from a story by Vera Caspary. TM and (c)1961, renewed 1989 Turner Entertainment Co,
an AOL Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved. (c)2002 Warner Bros, an AOL Time Warner Company. All Rights Reserved.
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JohnSydney225
In that spying section with Harry Cohn, he had Rita Hayworth and Glenn Ford's dressing rooms on Gilda (1946) bugged in an attempt to discover the affair the two stars were having. Harry Cohn was always furious that Rita Hayworth, Columbia's biggest star in the 1940s, never slept with him. That, on one hand, explains why most of her movies don't have great writing or the best love interest. He and Columbia were more concerned with showing how popular Rita was just by her name being attached to a film rather than giving her an actual good movie. And the story of Judy Garland's life always leaves me in tears. She had to fight and go through so much.
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In that spying section with Harry Cohn, he had Rita Hayworth and Glenn Ford's dressing rooms on Gilda (1946) bugged in an attempt to discover the affair the two stars were having. Harry Cohn was always furious that Rita Hayworth, Columbia's biggest star in the 1940s, never slept with him. That, on one hand, explains why most of her movies don't have great writing or the best love interest. He and Columbia were more concerned with showing how popular Rita was just by her name being attached to a film rather than giving her an actual good movie. And the story of Judy Garland's life always leaves me in tears. She had to fight and go through so much.
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gspendlove
People like to blame Hollywood for the state of our culture. But the fact is that movies and TV are a _reflection_ of our culture and society. It was Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA, who observed that Washington and Hollywood spring from the same DNA. What he was saying was that we the people dictate Hollywood's standards, not the other way around. You want to know why movies and TV shows are violent, misogynistic, bigoted, discriminatory, abusive and corrupt? Look in the mirror. But people would rather blame Hollywood than take responsibility as a member of a society they don't like.
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People like to blame Hollywood for the state of our culture. But the fact is that movies and TV are a _reflection_ of our culture and society. It was Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA, who observed that Washington and Hollywood spring from the same DNA. What he was saying was that we the people dictate Hollywood's standards, not the other way around. You want to know why movies and TV shows are violent, misogynistic, bigoted, discriminatory, abusive and corrupt? Look in the mirror. But people would rather blame Hollywood than take responsibility as a member of a society they don't like.
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Reyes
Today's Hollywood might be even darker and more disturbing. And despite the big budgets, the movies produced today are not as good as in those days! We have to face the truth and demystify, I agree with that, but it doesn't mean that by doing it repeatedly we are going to feel better for living in these days; Blonde, Babylon, Mank and Netflix's Hollywood are efforts to destroy the past and make us feel better for living in this declining present in which anxiety disorders and depression rates were never so high!
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Today's Hollywood might be even darker and more disturbing. And despite the big budgets, the movies produced today are not as good as in those days! We have to face the truth and demystify, I agree with that, but it doesn't mean that by doing it repeatedly we are going to feel better for living in these days; Blonde, Babylon, Mank and Netflix's Hollywood are efforts to destroy the past and make us feel better for living in this declining present in which anxiety disorders and depression rates were never so high!
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fanjoy
Hollywood wasn't accused of being an immoral Babylon, it was an immoral Babylon. The Haze code only forced it to work underground and become an immoral Babylon in disguise, and the code was banned not because it stopped being an immoral Babylon, but because in the meantime the whole world had turned into an immoral Babylon. So the critics were right, but the world has its own course, and there's little room for morality.
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Hollywood wasn't accused of being an immoral Babylon, it was an immoral Babylon. The Haze code only forced it to work underground and become an immoral Babylon in disguise, and the code was banned not because it stopped being an immoral Babylon, but because in the meantime the whole world had turned into an immoral Babylon. So the critics were right, but the world has its own course, and there's little room for morality.
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Phoenix735
Hollywoodland still has so many 'Dark Sides' to it. It was still, at least another Decade or so that they, I guess you could say, 'found the right moments, ' to introduce Native Americans and Latinos into the Spotlight and not as battling or in anything else.
Most younger people have no idea about these kinds of things, so Thank you MsMojo and everyone that is in the think tank for all of this.
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Hollywoodland still has so many 'Dark Sides' to it. It was still, at least another Decade or so that they, I guess you could say, 'found the right moments, ' to introduce Native Americans and Latinos into the Spotlight and not as battling or in anything else.
Most younger people have no idea about these kinds of things, so Thank you MsMojo and everyone that is in the think tank for all of this.
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Leslie
Hattie McDaniel received a lot of flak from the NAACP & other civil rights groups. They didn't want her to accept the OSCAR b/c they didn't like the role of Mammy in Gone With The Wind. She basically told them to be quiet. According to Wiki & AMPAS, James Baskett was the first African-American Man to receive an OSCAR. He got it for his portrayal as Uncle Remus in Song Of The South.
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Hattie McDaniel received a lot of flak from the NAACP & other civil rights groups. They didn't want her to accept the OSCAR b/c they didn't like the role of Mammy in Gone With The Wind. She basically told them to be quiet. According to Wiki & AMPAS, James Baskett was the first African-American Man to receive an OSCAR. He got it for his portrayal as Uncle Remus in Song Of The South.
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Suzanne
And to think all these parents are helping, leading, doing whatever they can to help their children to be childhood actors. Child abuse at its best. Sickening. The best a parent can and should do is never allow them to. After they are eighteen they can make that choice. But we all know what happens today. God forbid anyone aspires to be a star!
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And to think all these parents are helping, leading, doing whatever they can to help their children to be childhood actors. Child abuse at its best. Sickening. The best a parent can and should do is never allow them to. After they are eighteen they can make that choice. But we all know what happens today. God forbid anyone aspires to be a star!
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blueraccoon
This is why I prefer voice acting i refuse to work on camera and if i get asked I'll request minor cameo. I remember Ashley Johnson made 2 cameos in avengers (the voice of Gwen Tennyson and Rennet) i say 2 is because the ending and a deleted scene as the waitress Beth and one other reason I want voice actors as well acknowledged.
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This is why I prefer voice acting i refuse to work on camera and if i get asked I'll request minor cameo. I remember Ashley Johnson made 2 cameos in avengers (the voice of Gwen Tennyson and Rennet) i say 2 is because the ending and a deleted scene as the waitress Beth and one other reason I want voice actors as well acknowledged.
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randomkeir
Everyone likes to pretend this happened way back when, but you can draw a direct line from then to now. Movie stars still marry movie stars and get divorced at an alarming rate, young actors report abuse from those in power, stage parents steal from their talented offspring and the beat goes on.
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Everyone likes to pretend this happened way back when, but you can draw a direct line from then to now. Movie stars still marry movie stars and get divorced at an alarming rate, young actors report abuse from those in power, stage parents steal from their talented offspring and the beat goes on.
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RareEnigma
And yet with this knowledge we have people who blindly worship Hollywood to this day. Romanticizing an era is not wise, people are people in every generation, with one worse than the other. After what happened with Corey Feldman, Shirley Temple or Judy Garland, I refuse to support the industry.
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And yet with this knowledge we have people who blindly worship Hollywood to this day. Romanticizing an era is not wise, people are people in every generation, with one worse than the other. After what happened with Corey Feldman, Shirley Temple or Judy Garland, I refuse to support the industry.
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Jsports2012
The racism of the pre-Ww2 era was disgraceful and cheated both actors and the public out of a lot of great work. But the comments about race in todays Hollywood are pure nonsense. The prejudice in Hollywood today is against political conservatives and religious people.
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The racism of the pre-Ww2 era was disgraceful and cheated both actors and the public out of a lot of great work. But the comments about race in todays Hollywood are pure nonsense. The prejudice in Hollywood today is against political conservatives and religious people.
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Jennifer
I wonder how much of these are rumors lies and truth. Makes you wonder. Im sure it WAS bad yes YES but Im also pretty sure ALOT is made up too. Just saying! Like with everything in the world ALOT or truth and ALOT of things are flat out lies too! ESPECIALLY in Hollywood
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I wonder how much of these are rumors lies and truth. Makes you wonder. Im sure it WAS bad yes YES but Im also pretty sure ALOT is made up too. Just saying! Like with everything in the world ALOT or truth and ALOT of things are flat out lies too! ESPECIALLY in Hollywood
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Dudley
A modicum of research would show that boric acid solution on the eyes is not caustic. It has been used for ages to treat eye strain and redness. In fact many over the counter eye washes today still include it. Sorry, it's not the barbaric practice you were looking for.
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A modicum of research would show that boric acid solution on the eyes is not caustic. It has been used for ages to treat eye strain and redness. In fact many over the counter eye washes today still include it. Sorry, it's not the barbaric practice you were looking for.
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grandmapants
Well, all these 'stars' could quit at any time and work at McD instead. Did not happen. They knew exactly what they are getting into and they wanted it. Besides they were handsomely compensated for it. In short, cry me a river.
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Well, all these 'stars' could quit at any time and work at McD instead. Did not happen. They knew exactly what they are getting into and they wanted it. Besides they were handsomely compensated for it. In short, cry me a river.
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Xtina
Marilyn stood up to them turning a movie down, they suspended her and she made her own production company. She was so much more intelligent than some ppl think. Marilyn was a character she played, she could turn it on or off.
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Marilyn stood up to them turning a movie down, they suspended her and she made her own production company. She was so much more intelligent than some ppl think. Marilyn was a character she played, she could turn it on or off.
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Random
In the Sulivan's Travel clip it sounds like she is saying yes mr. smeerkees, no mr. smeerkees. In Dutch a smeerkees is a synonym for a person who is filthy or dirty. Quite fitting in the context of the casting couch.
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In the Sulivan's Travel clip it sounds like she is saying yes mr. smeerkees, no mr. smeerkees. In Dutch a smeerkees is a synonym for a person who is filthy or dirty. Quite fitting in the context of the casting couch.
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tom
Today's Hollywood is infested with woke culture and harsh treatment if you don't agree with the liberal left.
Plus the Academy Awards is just a self congratulatory nuisance and a platform to espouse said wokeism.
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Today's Hollywood is infested with woke culture and harsh treatment if you don't agree with the liberal left.
Plus the Academy Awards is just a self congratulatory nuisance and a platform to espouse said wokeism.
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Out
A great list! For those who want to know more: Karina Longworths podcast You Must Remember This goes into a lot of these issues in great detailabout the lost and/or forgotten histories of Hollywoods first century
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A great list! For those who want to know more: Karina Longworths podcast You Must Remember This goes into a lot of these issues in great detailabout the lost and/or forgotten histories of Hollywoods first century
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darkangel_69
None of this surprised me, but that's because my Mom told me about all of these, when I would watch movies with her. She and my Grandma knew all about this and told me about it when I was growing up.
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None of this surprised me, but that's because my Mom told me about all of these, when I would watch movies with her. She and my Grandma knew all about this and told me about it when I was growing up.
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Lola
2023 unthinkanble today? my arse, HUCKABEE GOV, Arkansas, do not care about KIDS! (especially brown ones, let them be killed) and the white ones? okay labor laws do not apply to white kids, either!
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2023 unthinkanble today? my arse, HUCKABEE GOV, Arkansas, do not care about KIDS! (especially brown ones, let them be killed) and the white ones? okay labor laws do not apply to white kids, either!
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AL
#5 doesnt do the racism in hollywood justice. It wasnt just at awards shows- but in the industry at large. The few awards that were given to black people were oftentimes based on subservient roles-
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#5 doesnt do the racism in hollywood justice. It wasnt just at awards shows- but in the industry at large. The few awards that were given to black people were oftentimes based on subservient roles-
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Martin
The movie biz was not as clean and wholesome as the old stars looked, but in fact was very ruthless. This culture started with the studio owners. That being said, the celebs made their choices.
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The movie biz was not as clean and wholesome as the old stars looked, but in fact was very ruthless. This culture started with the studio owners. That being said, the celebs made their choices.
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Yaszi
How I LOL, to the notion that weve come a long way with racism in Hollywood. when I can count on one hand the # of black actors who have academy awards that comment was pure comedy
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How I LOL, to the notion that weve come a long way with racism in Hollywood. when I can count on one hand the # of black actors who have academy awards that comment was pure comedy
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Ana
They do anything to be famous, do NOT like the consequences, since that sign the contrats. Everybody loves to be cool, be a beast. Until that have to do what beasts have to do.
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They do anything to be famous, do NOT like the consequences, since that sign the contrats. Everybody loves to be cool, be a beast. Until that have to do what beasts have to do.
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Madelaine
All of these facts are very unfortunate, but also very true. Despite them being so horrible, I have a kind of morbid curiosity toward the history of Old Hollywood.
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All of these facts are very unfortunate, but also very true. Despite them being so horrible, I have a kind of morbid curiosity toward the history of Old Hollywood.
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Alice
If I existed during the Golden age of Hollywood, I wouldnt have wanted to be an actress. That way nobody would do anything harsh to me, my life, and my beauty.
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If I existed during the Golden age of Hollywood, I wouldnt have wanted to be an actress. That way nobody would do anything harsh to me, my life, and my beauty.
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Patrick
I read somewhere Ginger Rogers mother plastered her in make up aged 12 and sent her to
auditions and parties Natalie Wood was treated pretty badly
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I read somewhere Ginger Rogers mother plastered her in make up aged 12 and sent her to
auditions and parties Natalie Wood was treated pretty badly
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Nicki
Whats that last movie with the girl saying yes Mr. No Mr. thats my knee! It looks like she gave a good performance and shes so pretty too!
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Whats that last movie with the girl saying yes Mr. No Mr. thats my knee! It looks like she gave a good performance and shes so pretty too!
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