AMD RX 6700 XT GPU Specs, Price, Release Date, & Stock Availability
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Date: 2021-03-03
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shadowarrior782
Not a perfect analogy IMO, it's more like the whole city desperately wants to enter your house, and the only measure at your disposal is toy locks and scarecrows.
I know availability sucks, but is it that bad to leave the door open by not restraining mining?
I believe huge mining organisations will quickly bypass eventual limitations, while gamers who want to mine with their gpus while not gaming would be harmed in the process.
Considering how AMD already seems to have its software teams stretched under normal conditions, it seems fair to me that they don't want to waste precious resources in a losing battle, but to be fair I hope they hire more software engineers.
I am also seeking a 6800xt so I know how it feels, but I think we should remain objective.
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Not a perfect analogy IMO, it's more like the whole city desperately wants to enter your house, and the only measure at your disposal is toy locks and scarecrows.
I know availability sucks, but is it that bad to leave the door open by not restraining mining?
I believe huge mining organisations will quickly bypass eventual limitations, while gamers who want to mine with their gpus while not gaming would be harmed in the process.
Considering how AMD already seems to have its software teams stretched under normal conditions, it seems fair to me that they don't want to waste precious resources in a losing battle, but to be fair I hope they hire more software engineers.
I am also seeking a 6800xt so I know how it feels, but I think we should remain objective.
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M3dicine
Artificially crippling the performance of GPUs hurts gamers just the same as the people who buy cards for mining operations. There are safe ways to mine on your gaming computer where the card is not under a dangerous load. This is like shooting everyone in the foot because one person wants to go clime a tree instead of running a race. It hurts everyone. Fixing the problem with getting supply to retailers, and getting systems in place where actual customers can purchase cards e.g., waiting lists & verified purchasers will go A LONG WAY to solving fair access to what supply is available. Very little is being done on this front. Just blaming the miners is scapegoating the issue and ignoring things that will actually help while simultaneously hurting the consumer.
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Artificially crippling the performance of GPUs hurts gamers just the same as the people who buy cards for mining operations. There are safe ways to mine on your gaming computer where the card is not under a dangerous load. This is like shooting everyone in the foot because one person wants to go clime a tree instead of running a race. It hurts everyone. Fixing the problem with getting supply to retailers, and getting systems in place where actual customers can purchase cards e.g., waiting lists & verified purchasers will go A LONG WAY to solving fair access to what supply is available. Very little is being done on this front. Just blaming the miners is scapegoating the issue and ignoring things that will actually help while simultaneously hurting the consumer.
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Patrick
I m still waiting on somebody to review the rtx 3060 12gb for rendering performance in blender. I m currently a 3d modeling student and am trying to decide between the 3060ti and the 3060 12gb. I know the bandwidth of the 3060ti is far greater. However, I want to know how the 12gb of Vram would affect rendering performance. I have yet to find benchmarks anywhere that showcase the 3060 s rendering performance. Assuming I can get a 3060 12gb at msrp, I want to know if the 3060 12gb has any potential value over the 3060ti whatsoever. I would greatly appreciate it If you could include blender in your benchmarks for the 3060. Thank you for maintaining a high standard for your content.
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I m still waiting on somebody to review the rtx 3060 12gb for rendering performance in blender. I m currently a 3d modeling student and am trying to decide between the 3060ti and the 3060 12gb. I know the bandwidth of the 3060ti is far greater. However, I want to know how the 12gb of Vram would affect rendering performance. I have yet to find benchmarks anywhere that showcase the 3060 s rendering performance. Assuming I can get a 3060 12gb at msrp, I want to know if the 3060 12gb has any potential value over the 3060ti whatsoever. I would greatly appreciate it If you could include blender in your benchmarks for the 3060. Thank you for maintaining a high standard for your content.
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lugaidster
With regards to crypto locking, keep in mind that AMD provides open-source drivers for Linux. Blocking certain instruction streams while also providing an open source driver is a non-starter. Miners would easily find said block and eliminate it.
The only real protection would be to have another cpu included in the card as a watchdog and that has additional security implications like what the Intel ME and the AMD Platform Security Processor detractors have detailed countless times.
I honestly like AMD's approach here. It shouldn't be their job to decide what programs we, as users, execute on their platform and I'm actually amazed you would suggest the contrary.
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With regards to crypto locking, keep in mind that AMD provides open-source drivers for Linux. Blocking certain instruction streams while also providing an open source driver is a non-starter. Miners would easily find said block and eliminate it.
The only real protection would be to have another cpu included in the card as a watchdog and that has additional security implications like what the Intel ME and the AMD Platform Security Processor detractors have detailed countless times.
I honestly like AMD's approach here. It shouldn't be their job to decide what programs we, as users, execute on their platform and I'm actually amazed you would suggest the contrary.
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tudomerda
locks ?, waste of time, you've obviously not watched any of lockpickinglawyers 180 seconds to hack a lock.
I disagree with software restrictions for mining as this can be hacked. If a hardware restriction is implemented it just means miners will have to buy more cards to make up for lost computing power remember that these guys make money from this hence they don't care how much they spend. The only way to resolve this is to wait for the Tulips to crash, or increase production and figure out a way to prevent scalpers from buying in bulk.
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locks ?, waste of time, you've obviously not watched any of lockpickinglawyers 180 seconds to hack a lock.
I disagree with software restrictions for mining as this can be hacked. If a hardware restriction is implemented it just means miners will have to buy more cards to make up for lost computing power remember that these guys make money from this hence they don't care how much they spend. The only way to resolve this is to wait for the Tulips to crash, or increase production and figure out a way to prevent scalpers from buying in bulk.
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itech
Yeah...steve...you're wrong about the driver locks. Linus has it right on driver level locks for crypto mining. These locks were bypassed before the cards were even in reviewer hands. You cannot comprehend how well connected and wealthy the major crypto mining players are. And, like Linus said, anything they do to fight crypto miners will just hurt the second hand market down the line. The best thing we can do with crypto is wait another year, let the BTC bubble pop, and go on with life after that.
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Yeah...steve...you're wrong about the driver locks. Linus has it right on driver level locks for crypto mining. These locks were bypassed before the cards were even in reviewer hands. You cannot comprehend how well connected and wealthy the major crypto mining players are. And, like Linus said, anything they do to fight crypto miners will just hurt the second hand market down the line. The best thing we can do with crypto is wait another year, let the BTC bubble pop, and go on with life after that.
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Karan
Ultimately a lock on mining hurts gamers. Locking valuables vs locking away your own functionality is not the right analogy, IMO.
Firmware soft locks on mining are easily broken by the miners that are really prioritizing the activity (hence doing little to drive availability for gamers).
Not being able to mine profitably will prevent gamers that mine on the side from being able to recoup their costs, though, costs that will be inflated as miners continue to buy up excess inventory.
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Ultimately a lock on mining hurts gamers. Locking valuables vs locking away your own functionality is not the right analogy, IMO.
Firmware soft locks on mining are easily broken by the miners that are really prioritizing the activity (hence doing little to drive availability for gamers).
Not being able to mine profitably will prevent gamers that mine on the side from being able to recoup their costs, though, costs that will be inflated as miners continue to buy up excess inventory.
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Michael
The problem with this generation GPU launch from both AMD and Nvidia is that the last generation of cards was a flop. There are two to three generations of Nvidia consumers from 900 or 1000 series who want a 3000 series card and AMD from 5000 or earlier who want a card. Doesn t help that last year the whole entire world turned upside down so more people have the free time for gaming. Too much demand with strained supply will cause this.
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The problem with this generation GPU launch from both AMD and Nvidia is that the last generation of cards was a flop. There are two to three generations of Nvidia consumers from 900 or 1000 series who want a 3000 series card and AMD from 5000 or earlier who want a card. Doesn t help that last year the whole entire world turned upside down so more people have the free time for gaming. Too much demand with strained supply will cause this.
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Bud
I wouldn't harass the manufacturers about supply too much.
Both Scalping and Crypto are ultimately RETAIL problems. If you have to walk up to the store to buy a GPU, you're only getting one, and getting around any sort of one per-person limit would take months.
2020 problems shouldn't actually be a factor when everyone should be taking adequate precautions. If your society isn't capable of that then move to China.
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I wouldn't harass the manufacturers about supply too much.
Both Scalping and Crypto are ultimately RETAIL problems. If you have to walk up to the store to buy a GPU, you're only getting one, and getting around any sort of one per-person limit would take months.
2020 problems shouldn't actually be a factor when everyone should be taking adequate precautions. If your society isn't capable of that then move to China.
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BansheeHero
Can we please stop suggesting they do TPE functionality for GPUs? It is not a good thing for AMD or NV to have control over it. They barely get drivers to work and you want to give them another responsibility on top of it. We do not put lock-picks on presure cookers to prevent people from using them. Stop masking supply chain problems with security. If you have not supported TPE before, you should not today.
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Can we please stop suggesting they do TPE functionality for GPUs? It is not a good thing for AMD or NV to have control over it. They barely get drivers to work and you want to give them another responsibility on top of it. We do not put lock-picks on presure cookers to prevent people from using them. Stop masking supply chain problems with security. If you have not supported TPE before, you should not today.
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